Give Me a Break

mariner:

Fine, if you wish, believe that I am a kofer. Since you don’t know me, I pretty much don’t care what you think of me.

Listen to this – The world was originally supposed to be vegetarian. But after Noach’s time we were permitted to eat meat, BECAUSE Noach had cared for the animals aboard the Ark. But HaShem would rather we not eat meat, and there are two proofs to that. First of all, the only reason we are permitted to consume meat is because Noach cared for the animals, so, in essence, the animals of the Diluvial Flood generation owed Noach their lives. But do the animals of this day and age owe us their lives, after all the torture we put them through?! Their lives are pure horror from beginning to end! Did you know that the hens that give your eggs have their beaks seared off and have less than a paper’s space to stand, not to mention the huge amounts of ammonia from the uncleaned piles of feces? Second, the very animals we are permitted to eat are all herbivorous. Don’t you think HaShem is trying to hint something to us? Sure, we may be ALLOWED to eat meat (see reason #1 for my thoughts that we are NOT allowed to), but does that mean we HAVE to? “Just as the creatures that I have allowed you to eat consume no flesh, so too, you shall not consume the flesh of another living spirit.” Maybe that’s what HaShem is subtly telling us? As per your example of Korban Pesach, ddon’t you know that the Jews of the time were devoted shepherds? Just look at Moshe and David! You can eat your meat if you want (maybe not), but that CERTAINLY doesn’t make a veg[etari]an who is such because of compassion for animal a follower of heresy.

Bentzy18:

Who says I just want to create a tumult on the boards?

mariner:

Being vegetarian because of cruelty to animals is NOT k’fira! When HaShem allowed us to eat meat, the slaughtering process was NOTHING compared to the horror it is today! If anything, YOU’RE the kofer, because we have an issur of tza’ar ba’alei chayim!

Now that YWN has allowed such an ad, shouldn’t we have a picture of Palin?

Y.W. Editor, was there such an ad?

Whoa! Did YWN just post a pro-choice ad on the site, with a WOMAN on it?! Or was it my imagination?

It’s JerEmiah, not JerImiah. Get your spelling “wright.”

And?

Interesting – the whole America, especially Jews, have a great Republican to thank: A member of the Bull Moose Party, it was President Theodore Roosevelt that instituted the 5-day workweek.

Joseph:

I do support the RIGHT to abort and gay RIGHTS. I never said I support abortion OR gay marriage.

noitallmr:

“People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.”

Mayan_Dvash:

I too am pro-choice.

mariner:

I do put on tefillin (kosher gassos at that), but I DON’T use a Sefer Torah. Only ba’alei k’riah do.

ujm:

The world IS several billion years old – that DOESN’T conflict with the Torah.

WolfishMusings:

Why is eating animals fine?

mariner:

No, I did not think the District of Columbia was a state. I just wanted to know what its status was.

For telling you to shut up about “The 60 States of Obama’s America.”

By the way, where are you based?

Thanks “squeak.”

What’s with the RJC’s new ad, “Barack Obama’s wrong views on Israel have been endorsed by Pat Buchanan.”

1) This is the second time it’s against Obama. I’d expect SOME fairness from YWN.

2) Just curious – what are they trying to say?

Where did this thing about 57 states come from? Or am I out of touch with the faux pas of the presidential candidates? Regardless, Barack wouldn’t even be a senator without knowing that, so I HIGHLY doubt he thinks that.

Interesting Q – 50 states or 51? What IS Washington, D.C., exactly?

re: comment #2 – Joseph:

Most liberal Senator – So?

flip-flops on many issues – like? Israel – is that all you care about?

Democrat – Most Jews are – even RELIGIOUS!

pro-abortion – Why should a pregnant mother suffer 20+ years for a child she doesn’t want? A fetus is a fetus is a fetus!

pro-toeiva – 1) Is that your business?; 2) Homosexuals have just as much right – who defines marriage, the Torah? This isn’t a Jewish state!

pro-tax increase – more taxes, more for the people; “what you give is what you get”

Europe likes him – What the heck does that have to do with anything? Or is it just something to complain about?

mariner:

You seriously didn’t read my post. I said that it’s ethically wrong to vote based on religious values. Also, what do you mean by “marriage” in the second-to-last sentence.

You’re as conservative as I’m liberal, so I don’t know if I should bother arguing with you.

By the way, here’s the 2008 ticket

Democratic: Barack Hussein Obama II & Joseph Robinette Biden

Republican: John Sidney McCain III & Sarah Heath Palin

Libertarian: Robert Laurence Barr, Jr. & Wayne Allyn Root

Independent: Ralph Nader & Matthew Gonzalez

illini07:

So am I.

I take it you don’t hate Obama like everyone else here?

I just started a new thread and it should be up soon. It’s called “Why not Obama?” Please post on it, as well as on this thread.

– Give Me a Break