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Give Me a BreakMember
Please let’s not panic. Even if Barack Obama is a Jew-hating, anti-American, Muslim, [which he isn’t,] there’s not much he can do to destroy our American freedom.
Give Me a BreakMemberWhere I davened, they duchaned by shacharis AND by mussaf. Anyone know why this might be?
Give Me a BreakMemberfeivel:
To prevent the death and/or suffering of non-human creatures.
Give Me a BreakMemberJoseph:
This is a forum, not a battleground.
Give Me a BreakMemberjewishfeminist02:
I too do not support PETA. However, I do agree with their purpose, as in their name, “the ethical treatment of animals.” Don’t you agree with that?
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
God commanded us regarding the scapegoat, NOT regarding kapparos.
Give Me a BreakMemberjewishfeminist02:
I’d suggest you change your screen name. Feminism, among this crowd (but not me), seems to mean that you’re not properly Jewish.
Give Me a BreakMemberHey, RJC! Hillary Clinton’s a Dem!
Give Me a BreakMemberBuncha dumdums:
Why?
P.S. Don’t worry, nobody but me, God, and a few friends know about this thing.
Give Me a BreakMemberzevi8:
Thank you for your beautiful post. It was eloquently written, and drove home a powerful point. I hope some people will read what you wrote and stop being so selfish about their culinary desires.
head in the sand:
Your head really IS in the sand if that’s the way you think.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
Lions are members of the cat family, which cannot produce taurine, and are thus incapable of an herbivorous diet. Humans, on the other hand, have ways of obtaining essential elements for a vegetarian life.
feivel:
Yes, I’ve heard of fruitarians. I do believe they are insane.
Give Me a BreakMemberyoshi:
Please read my original post. I said that I support animal testing for cures. I do NOT, however, support animal testing for cosmetics, because it’s a waste of life.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
“why has she freely used the word “whitey” when describing white people?”
Why do Jews freely use the words “shvartze” when referring to African-Americans?
Give Me a BreakMemberLkwd2newyork:
I repeat, I would love to spend my Afterlife with friendly canines (and humans).
Give Me a BreakMemberfeivel:
You’re being ridiculous.
P.S. You forgot to mention that you don’t eat anything, because that would hurt the plants.
Give Me a BreakMemberJust curious – why is everyone, with the unfortunate exception of “jphone,” being understanding towards “yeellow101,” While in my “Kapparos: Chickens, Fish, or Money?” thread, nearly EVERYONE was bashing me.
I particularly would tend to agree “jewishfeminist02” on this point.
Give Me a BreakMember“What Kind of a Kapora is This??”
It most certainly ISN’T.
Give Me a BreakMembersqueak:
I don’t think we’ll be hungry in the Afterlife.
Give Me a BreakMemberLkwd2newyork:
So where DO I place my loyalties?
Give Me a BreakMemberBentzy18:
Firstly, I wasn’t calling any one an apathetic imbecile. I was “muttering under my breath.”
Secondly, “The point of being raised to a higher level of existence has been discussed already and I invite you to look through the old posts.” Where?
Thirdly, “(or like I said before, when your logic isn’t strong enough to hold you up you have no choice but to start putting down those who go against you)” My logic is fine. It’s just that people here have been so brainwashed with this “servants of people” thing that they won’t listen to logic.
Give Me a BreakMemberAt least SOMEBODY agrees with me!
Give Me a BreakMemberThrow them out.
Give Me a BreakMemberToras Moshe:
What makes YOU a kana’i?
Give Me a BreakMemberJoseph:
I’d love to share my Olam HaBah with dogs! They’re such fun!
Bentzy18:
“They also have their wool shorn off for clothing, thier feathers for pillows and downcoats, horsehair for violins, the skins for sefrei torah, and teffilin, fur for striemels, amoung the many uses that are on the top of my head. Plus, they make an excellent and tastey source of protien. We make a bracha on the meat and the animal is then raised to a higher level of existance.”
“…fur for striemels [strEImels]…”: Wearing a streimel is a European custom that has NO basis in Torah or ChaZaL.
“…and the animal is then raised to a higher level of existance [existEnce]…”: But if, as you people believe, that animals don’t have souls, then what is there to “raise?”
Apathetic imbeciles.
Give Me a BreakMemberWe are all trying to obtain rachamim from HaKadosh Baruch Hu. Is it fitting, then, not to display rachamim to the sinless creatures?
Give Me a BreakMemberThe Queen of Persia:
“Give me a Break:
So the problem of using chickens for kapparos has nothing to do with the minhag, but rather everything to do with the beforehand tzar baalei chaim. That makes sense. However, the chickens are not so mistreated as you make it sound. First of all, they usually arrive at the designated kapparah place half dead. (the ones used in the shlacht houses all year round that you buy from the store also arrive at their destination in pretty bad shape with all sorts of machlos. That’s where the doctors from the USDA come in). At any rate, from all that I’ve observed (up front) the chickens are fed well and given to drink. But sometimes it’s too late… due to their poor health from the start. Perhaps we should go to the root of the problem and complain to the farmers and truckers who ship them under such poor conditions. But all of this is NOT to detract from the heiligkeit of the minhag. “
If they’re half dead, and you’re supporting the raising of these poor animals, don’t you think that’s terrible?
Give Me a BreakMemberJoseph:
“”Animals are tortured from nascence till departure from this world to the next.”
GMAB, So animals have Olam Habah as well? “
First of all, it’s an euphemism for death. Second, yes, I believe there is life after death for animals.
Bentzy18:
Then you are simply hardened to what you see. “They have heated shelters so that they don’t freeze, and for those who know cows, they pretty much don’t do all that much except eat.” Exactly. All they are is a bunch of eating machines. “However, while it bothers me that this is the only way to produce veal I have yet to see complete proof that this is Tzar Ba’ali Chaim. After all this cow’s purpose was to wind up as a delecacy on someone’s plate and when done it’s fulfilling it’s tafkid.” An animal’s tafkid is to be eaten? What’s that supposed to mean? And what was the tafkid of the animals before Noach’s time, may I ask? “Nope. There are also a lot of practices that parents do (or don’t do) while raising them but that doesn’t make them abusive or horrible parents.” Parents don’t starve their kids for two weeks to make them lay eggs, and they give them room to move, and they certainly don’t castrate their kids.
Give Me a BreakMemberPlease read the following article:
http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/2008/09/judaism-and-vegetarianism/
[To Y.W. Editor:
Please put up this post.]
Give Me a BreakMemberBy the way, Mishpacha magazine in America ran an article on CCD this week. Did anyone read it?
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
Nazism = Adolf Hitler, no?
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
I prefer strawberries and cherries, though. Irony of all ironies?
Give Me a BreakMemberThe Queen of Persia:
Mutar then, because shepherding was kinder then.
Give Me a BreakMemberBentzy18:
“Explain how “we” don’t take care of our animals. Yes there are a lot of methods that I don’t agree with either, but from what I see, animals have never had it better. Besides who says that we are capable of determining what is in the best interests of animals? Who are we to determine if the right to eat animals has been rescinded or not. There is a big difference between Tzar Ba’ali Chaim and an animal that has been been raised for the purpose of being slaughtered for it’s meat.”
You said “Yes there are a lot of methods that I don’t agree with either…” Doesn’t that answer your question? Animals are tortured from nascence till departure from this world to the next.
Give Me a BreakMemberBentzy18:
“None of them where in the Te’iva so I don’t know what debt the animal kingcome owed to them.”
They took good care of their animals. We don’t.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
Are you comparing me to Hitler?
You do have a point – our birthdays are both April 20th.
Give Me a BreakMembertorahis1:
Gebrochts is in a different parsha than chicken kapparos, because the latter involves the torture of innocent creatures.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
The pro-choicers have a point, although I don’t really agree. If she wanted to bear Trig, OK, but if she didn’t, that’s fine with me too.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
That’s neither here nor there.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
Blueberry.
Give Me a BreakMemberFeif Un:
Don’t you read? I said that it is assur because the animals have no debt to us – Noach was allowed to eat meat because the animals were indebted to him.
Give Me a BreakMemberNote to moderator:
How did I ridicule a minhag stated in halacha?
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
How do you know?
Give Me a BreakMemberItzik_s:
“BS”D
See Rabbeinu Bachaye, Parshas Acharei Mos.
And since when do we pasken by him? I did not know that he supersedes the Shulchan Aruch and Remo!”
a) Did you at least READ it?
b) Don’t the Mechaber and Ramoh come after him?
c) Where does R’ Yosef Caro and/or R’ Moshe Isserles say that you have to eat meat?
d) In their days they didn’t have factory farming. THAT is assur.
Give Me a BreakMemberDoc:
Chofetz Chaim, specifically Yeshiva Toras Chaim in Miami and Mesivta Tiferes Yisroel in Flatbush.
Give Me a BreakMembermariner:
Nisht a shlechte idea, as long as the taste is not adversely affected.
Give Me a BreakMemberricola:
Can I have some cough drops?
Give Me a BreakMemberYes, but don’t you think that it’s not fair to decide based on religion?
Give Me a BreakMemberDuh!
Give Me a BreakMemberWhen I was in yeshiva I wore blue/navy shirts and dark blue/black pants. Most of my friends wore striped shirts.
Give Me a BreakMemberTo the Great and Holy Rabbi “Joseph”,
Au contraire, too many threads will dilute this so-called “gadlus.”
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