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Btw, by the Chareidim in Eretz Yisroel and even by the Chasidim in chutz, that natural setup (husband provider, wife stay-at-home) is still mostly present and their rate of divorce is notably lower.)
Au contraire. He said that forever wives natually relied on their husband for parnassa. Once that natural barrier was broken and they were conditioned and trained that they had the wherewithal and could “go out on their own”, they no longer had that natural need for their husbands thus greatly multiplying the incidents of divorce.
omg, midwesterner, and they only realized when he showed up?? How’d that one play out?
Torah613, why would you insist on being “financially independent to fall back on”? I’m close to a godol b’yisroel and he has said many times in shiurim that making a girl bing financially independent to fall back on is possibly the greatest cause for divorce today.
Lol. That must’ve been another story since from the context of our conversation it was obvious he was talking about a still married couple.
A godol hador told me he was in someone’s home and was disturbed to see that they hung up their kesuba on the wall. (He didn’t tell me whose home it was.)
It’s 2 AM, do you know where your children are?
Definitely no later than 2:00.
Chazal say it shouldn’t be done and the Mechaber paskens it halacha l’maaisa. And see my previous post; in fact sometimes the BYs overstep what they may teach. That would explain the photocopied Gemorahs.
writersoul, the Bais Yaakov movement never permitted teaching girls Gemora or anything else that Chazal forbid us to teach them. And not all Gedolim agreed with the BY movement; the Hungarians objected to the teaching of Rashi to girls (and certainly Rambans and Maharals) on the grounds that that constitutes Torah shebal peh. Others said that since Rashi merely explains the pshuto shel mikrah – the simple meaning of the text, it would be considered Torah shebiksav in this sense. However, even the Litvishe Gedolim have mentioned that the BY movement has often overstepped their bounds in the emphasis on Meforshim, sometimes crossing the line into things that may not be learned. Rav Shach zt’l writes in one of his letters that teaching girls Meforshim in depth would be assur because of this, (the problem is quantifying “in depth”, which makes it easy to rationalize) and when a couple of seminary girls came to him to ask him to explain a Ramban or something to them, he replied that they should better spend their time delving into domestic arts.
Torah613: Popa wears the pants in his house.
yitayningwut, rf’s point is perfectly reasonable. Men and women have different needs and expectations, as they should, when it comes to Torah study as well as most other things. The Gemora says a woman’s schar Torah comes from her husband and sons learning that she supports. Her role is supporter not scholar. Just as in the military the guys who manufacture the weaponry safely on the homefront are just as critical to the war effort as the guys on the frontlines. Without the guys behind the scenes the battle cannot be won. Different people have different roles and oftentimes those roles are defined by halacha itself. A Yisroel cannot do a Cohen’s job, as much as he might like to and as much as he might be capable of doing it. He must be satisfied with his own role in Avodas Hashem as it is defined for him not as he might have liked it to be.
Thank you the-art-of-moi for pointing out this hazard and for reducing the risk of it for yourself by walking away from it so as not to get burnt by it. Playing with fire is not safe. Have a wonderful Shabbos and may you continue to grow and prosper in Torah, Yiras Shamayim and Emunah Peshuta.
I think the OPs first paragraph, especially her second and third sentences, are well worth reading an rereading and duly noting, considering and acting upon. She surely is not the only one tested with such an endeavor here. Mitigation of this danger by duly changing the moderation of this place should be implemented forthwith.
It also must serve as a warning as to the extreme dangers of the internet overall. Many previously frum people have r’l fallen to the depths never to recover from this exact pitfall.
Redleg, you’re mixing up Catholic worshiping on two knees, which is their typical way of worship, and their separate and distinct (and much less frequent) rite of genuflecting on one knee, which is where this one knee idea comes from (for the past 500+ years.) Muslims do it on two knees not one. And we don’t do it on one knee on Yom Kippur.
For the past over 500 years it has only been practiced in Roman Catholicism. And wherever it is done nowadays, including in marriage proposals, it came about there as an offshoot from the Catholic practice.
It is a specifically Christian thing to do. No other religion does it and the entire idea came into existence through it being a Christian church rite. That church rite made it to be considered a sign of respect and that rite is how and the reason it came to be used in marriage proposals. Research how proposing on one knee came about. Almost all the articles on it, including the wikipedia article called “marriage proposal”, reference genuflection. What other time do you know of that people davka get on one knee to do something as a sign of respect?
Chazal say that two of the most important qualities to look for is a bas talmid chochom and baalas middos. Another very important quality is that she can cook well.
The christian practice is to get on one knee, not two knees. So it is like their practice.