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catch yourself, If I’m not mistaken, it’s punkt farkert. You can do it differently every day.
iacisrmma, I like that explanation.
Artzei Peleh?? Never heard of it? Does it talk about trolls as well?
lebidik yankel, Off topic, but is your username connected to song of the same title I heard a few years ago in Manchester?
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CTL, my apartheid era brain would’ve thought the same way!
LuL, South African chareidim struggle with that.
Correct. Our baal koreh read it on Monday with Revi’i, and Thursday and Shabbos morning Azla-geireish. Then he spoke about it at shalosh seudos.
The question still remain for those who do Azla-geireish.
I had a thought this Shabbos. Why do we all say Ka-eyleh, but we don’t all go Ko-oh-to-ointi in parshas vayishlach? It’s also an Azla-geireish.
RebYidd23, Given my South African upbringing, I was sensitive to that, and that’s why I allowed my pet Shepsel to publically declare his affection for his black sheep.
Definitely Ben. His wool is black as coal and we love him for it.
Btw, thank you Geordie613 for letting me use your computer. Baaaaa
I would think that was impossible, as the posuk in (I think) Yirmiyah says that during the time of golus bavel, the land was completely uninhabited, even the birds and animals wandered off and were gone.
Joseph, See the first tosfos in shas, i.e. Brochos 2a, where Rabeinu Tam holds that you may be yoitze shema (probably lechatchila) from whenever the earliest time for davening maariv is. We don’t pasken like that lemaase, but it certainly seems that R”T’s hakpodo was more on Melochos after Shabbos/Yomtov than everyday maariv.
YY, It’s interesting that you mention Friday, as I asked Dayan AD Dunner of London if Friday is different. He explained to me that there are two reasons that it is different; in halachic terminology, why some are meikil on tarti d’sasri on Friday. Firstly, maariv on Friday creates its own time zone called Shabbos. So, there is no tarti d’sasri. And secondly, Maariv, is k’neged the haktoras eimurim, which was not done on Friday night. Nevertheless, more ‘Yeshivish’ communities are generally machmir to have mincha before plag/shkia and maariv afterwards.
Without going into the halachic reasons, and very, very basically – Firstly, maariv can only be davened after plag hamincha. Secondly, mincha and maariv have to be davened in two different ‘time zones’. A time zone here means, either of the opinions of plag hamincha or shkiah. So mincha before plag and maariv afterwards is the earliest time one may daven mincha maariv together. You can daven maariv early,but not in the same ‘time zone’ as you daven mincha. Of course, if you daven maariv before nightfall you have to say shma again after nightfall. Also, maariv before nacht is only permissible with a minyan.
LuL, that is a huge question. ‘They’ do anything and everything, depending on who ‘they’ are.
CTL, That is very interesting and this is out of my league.
I’m too young to remember but as far as I’ve been told there were many quality butcheries in Doornfontein in the 70s.
CTL, What is the main course of your Shabbos day meal from Tu b’shvat until approximately Chanukah?
Please tell me it’s a good ‘ol Yekkisch Fruchtsuppe.
I believe the quote from Chabad is discussing washing for bread. I thought your original question was when and not how.
Generally the guidelines are; one should wash after sleeping for at least half an hour, and at Alos hashachar (daybreak). So usually one sleeps overnight and wakes up after daybreak and you can wash according both those criteria.
But, on a journey, one should be aware of both these things. (It is probably advantageous therefore, to have an aisle seat, so you wouldn’t need to wake up your neighbour who may be asleep for hours when you’re hungry and can’t get out.)
**This reply should not be relied on, lease consult your local competent Halachic authority**
Am I missing something? What newsletter?
Shloimel. hopefully you’ve gone back under your bridge. Or shteiging away in the beis hamedrash.
Shloimel, Vu bist du?
I mentioned Rav Leib Gurwicz earlier. A bochur who merited being the ‘hoiz bochur’, told me his best moment was when he came to the yeshiva to tell everyone that the Rosh yeshiva had just got engaged. He remarried to Rebbetzin Isbee from Detroit.
Also, the Chofetz Chaim famously remarried and had a child, Rebbetzin Zaks at age 70.
Joseph, I don’t know. I think the prices at the second place were better.
But seriously, why not? She was not disabled or ill as far as I know. I’ve seen great rebbetzins shopping. Others, have children in town who do it for them. I know the Salamons have at least 2 daughters in Lakewood, so I imagine they or the grandchildren would/do help out.
It’s a good question, and obviously it depends on the different circumstances of each godol.
Rav Chaim Kanievsky’s daughter, Rebbetzin Kolodetzky, has taken over domestic duties in their house.
When the Gateshead Rosh Yeshiva, Rav Leib Gurwicz’s first wife was nifter, a bochur slept in the house with the Rosh Yeshiva. I’m not sure if he had any other duties.
CTL, talking about middle names… I always believed President Truman’s middle name was just the letter S. I once wrote to the Harry S. Truman Library and Museum. The correspondence, which you will find fascinating, follows:
Dear Sirs,
I have just visited your website for the 1st time and I noticed you have the name of President Truman as Harry S. Truman. Surely it is more correctly spelled Harry S Truman without the period, because S is a name and not an abbreviation.
Kind regards,
…
Their reply:
Dear (my name…),
Thank you for your e-mail message of November 4th.
Harry S. Truman’s middle initial did not stand for any specific name, but was a compromise between the names of his grandfathers, Anderson Shipp Truman and Solomon Young. It was Mr. Truman’s practice to include the period after the “S” in his correspondence. It may interest you to know that Mr. Truman’s memoirs include the period after the “S”; Margaret Truman Daniel’s biography of her father is entitled “Harry S. Truman”; and in “Mr. Citizen,” Mr. Truman, the author of the book, uses the period after the “S”.
I am not aware of any public statement that Mr. Truman ever made on the subject of his middle initial. Nor am I aware of him having mentioned the subject in his diary or in private correspondence.
Thank you for your interest in the Harry S. Truman Library and Museum.
Sharie
Shloimel, you’ve takah got a emmese shvere matzev there. Ober mistomeh, you’ve got a bochur in your chabura who’s got yedios in this inyan. He’s the tipp that skips part of night seder (I know it’s hard to be mekabel, but they were meya’etz by the mashgiach (zol er zein gezunt) and his Rebbi, and lemaaseh bshaas hadchak it’s ok bedieved) to use a chainik in his room. He’ll know how to mesaken your Bors (of course you’ve got one, if you use such yeshivishe raid), and it will be a matzav of machzir atoro leyoishno.
If you post your mamme’s name, I’ll be machaven for you by ‘hachazirainu bekova shelaimo lefonecho’
Hello CTL,
I’m with you on that one. Jan Smuts was SA’s war time leader and the man who, my grandfather told me, he was inspired by to go to war in North Africa. Oliver Tambo, when I was growing up, was a terrorist!
iacisrmma, Halachic leap years. (Secular leap years were devised by Pope Gregory – hence the Gregorian Calendar. Gregory was once asked why they (the Catholics) don’t just adopt the Jewish calendar which is known to be in sync with both the sun and the moon. His famous reply “Better to be wrong with the sun than right with the Jews”.)
I haven’t seen Rabbi Heber’s article, but in very short; Shmuel’s tekufa is based on a more simple calculation, which is inaccurate, but is still used to calculate only birkas hachama. R’ Adda’s tekufa is more complex and therefore more accurate, and therefore used to add months to a Jewish leap year. They both probably started off at the same point, but are now weeks apart.
South African yidden constantly reminisce with nostalgia for the “good old, peaceful” days prior to the breakup of Apartheid
Back then,however, they were the biggest fighters and activists against Apartheid!?
I think The yidden who say that, are not the same as those who fought Apartheid.
The current calendar isn’t a perfectly good one. I don’t know all the calculations, but Bircas Hachamo is a real problem. There are two calculations for the tekufah (Shmuel and Rav Adda), and the one which is used for calculating leap years is not the same as is used for bircas hachamo. Hence, birkas hachamo next time, 8 April 2037 is AFTER Pesach, even though it is the day of the tekufa, and pesach should be before the tekufa. Basically, the secular calendar is sliding forward slowly, by 3 days every 400 years.
How many people in Korea read YWN? Any Koreans in the CR?
It is Time for Truth,
You make good points.
However, Jan Smuts was Prime Minister. SA’s first Executive State President was PW Botha. Smuts did support Zionism, was a friend of Chaim Weizmann, and recognised the creation of the State of Israel, just a few days before losing an election to the NP and the start of the Apartheid years.
(strange that this is on a thread called “Who was the worst president”)
(I know this is not what the OP wanted, but it’s good for you Americans to know that there is a world beyond the Brooklyn Bridge). Living in England we of course don’t have a president. But from my SA days, we had a president called FW de Klerk, who negotiated to give up white minority rule and of course the great Nelson Mandela. However the worst president is current incumbent, the corrupt, uneducated and power thirsty Jacob Zuma.
Possibly Mr Werdiger doesn’t want this type of attention
Meno and I make a great team!
It’s 60 days after the autumnal equinox. Which currently works out December 4th, or 5th in the year before a civil leap year. Whoever’s around in December 2103 will have to update that.
It certainly looks like it’s been removed
I’ve only once davened in the ‘Shomer Shabbos’ on 13th Ave in Boro Park. Mincha with tachanun in 8 min. I could not believe it. But, I have to be honest, the chazan said each word clearly. Quickly, but it was clear. Still, I believe mincha should be 15 min minimum to at least be mechaven pirush hamilos
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Ubiquitin, Correct. That’s based on the Radvaz. But, what would the halacha be then in the Samoan case, where they skipped from Friday night to Sunday morning?
LuL,
I suppose because when the original people settled there, they arrived by boat and possibly weren’t aware of the days or the different shitos in the rishonim. So they just kept Shabbos on Saturday like it is in most places of the settled world.
zahavasdad,
Your explanation is good, just a few points to clarify. Everyone holds that London is NOT where the time zones should start, but rather Jerusalem is where it should start. The Chazon Ish held that starting in Jerusalem and 90 degrees east follows Jerusalem. But that line goes straight through Russia, Australia and a few other countries. So in effect the dateline is the eastern coast of Russia, China, Australia etc, except where the line goes through the sea. So Japan, New Zealand, Tasmania and most South Pacific Islands up to the point of the IDL keep Shabbos on Sunday.
Rav YM Tucaczinsky holds it is 180deg east and west of Jerusalem. I’m not sure where exactly this is, but Hawaii falls in the problem zone.
It’s a fascinating subject and there is so much Torah, history and geography involved. I’ve just seen Chabad.org have a nice brief explanation of the subject which they published in 2011, when Samoa changed over. Mods, may I post a link?
LB & LuL. I remember hearing the astronauts would keep Shabbos like one would keep Shabbos at the Poles, i.e. where there are no time zones. One of the shitos is according to where they came from. So an astronaut who launched from the USA, would keep Shabbos according to the time in Cape Canaveral.
Correct, but Alaska is attached to the landmass of the American Continent. So according to most poskim follows the rest of the continent.
It is similar o the situation in Australia. Melbourne for example, is east of the halachic dateline, but Shabbos is observed on Saturday like the western parts of Australia, because you can’t have a situation where a land mass is separated by a line with regard to the onset or end of Shabbos. Tasmania is an island and separate to the rest of the continent, and therefore, would have Shabbos on Sunday.
Interestingly, Rav Moishe Sternbuch holds, that in the ocean off Melbourne Shabbos is on Sunday, and therefore one may not swim in the sea on Sunday. Rav Elyashiv holds that as far as you can stand in the water is still called land.
Meno, Even filled with jam?
Just to clarify. Only very few yechidei segula fasted two days, Some very special people. One of them was Rabbi Levy Krupenia, later Rosh Yeshivas Kamenitz in NY.
Another point I would like to clarify is who’s psak held the earlier Yom Kippur.
Thirdly, regarding Alaska and Hawaii, I think more Hawaii than Alaska. It falls between the International Dateline and the Halachic dateline according to one opinion.
Lastly, I heard a shiur from an expert in these matters, Rabbi Jeremy Stanton in Manchester. He pointed out that in all resident communities of places that fall in doubt, they keep Shabbos on the day that is Saturday in that place. So that is New Zealand, Japan, Hawaii etc. And the shaaloh is only for visitors who wish to fulfil the correct halacha. They must nevertheless not do melocho in public on the day that the locals keep as Shabbos.
What would be interesting is Samoa and Tokelau that changed to the other side of the IDL in 2011. The day after Friday 29 December 2011 became Sunday 31 December 2011. I believe Shabbos would be correctly observed there on a Sunday.
Meno, What is the “serious Halachic shailoh”? Because they are boiled, i.e. cooked not baked, you can have as many as you want and still bentch al hamichya.
iacisrmma,
The Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin asked the Gerrer Rebbe who reffered the shaila to Rav YM Tukaczinsky. And the Mir asked their Rosh Yeshiva, Reb Leizer Yudel who asked the Chazon Ish. They came back with differing answers as is well known, but most only fasted one day because of the pikuach nefesh aspect. A few yechidei segula fasted both days.
PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHEN TALKING ABOUT GEDOLIM.
The Amshinover Rebbe Shlit”a is a very great man, and even Reb Shloime Zalman zt”l did not say anything about his personal hanhogos when he had the opportunity.
LuL,
I believe it was as follows, but I stand to be corrected. They kept the first day as full yom kippur, but the second day fasted but davened weekday davening, with tefilin and all.
Little Froggie, Your shul sounds like my kind of place.
There are however practical problems with your ideal approach. It is now midwinter as far as the calendar is concerned, and from the earliest time for shachris to the time the children have to go to school is about 1hr 20 min. In the ‘Yeshivishe yohren’ we could daven like that, but at this time, I personally have to look at that as the ideal which will have to wait until my retirement to be rediscovered.
I think there are two threads going on here, which can both be found in most shuls. There are those who say that davening is too quick and they want to spend more time in the presence of The Creator. And there are others who are saying that a 40 min Brochos to Oleinu is enough to achieve what we need to.