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Yes Golfer. Took you two years but finally….
IITFT, “The family felt on (sic) of their sons should inherit the position, but the Town machers refused,thereby leaving the position vacant for several years”
The town machers? I assume you mean the Parness and the kehilla leadership.
I lived through that sorry period in Gateshead’s history, and sure things could have done differently, but the kehilla acted with instructions from the gedolim every step of the way.
Today, Gateshead has a wonderful Rov and it was worth the wait, (Did you know that Pressburg was without a Rav for 5 years before the Chasam Sofer was appointed to the post?)
I think what we are missing is the fact that a child should learn Torah in their own language. It is well known that the Chazon Ish did not put emphasis in learning davka in Yiddish. At that time, there were people who could not speak yiddish, so he said they should be taught in their mother tongue, Ivrit. I have heard the following quote, “A cheder is not an ulpan”.
Therefore, nowadays, besides in the main chassidish centres and ‘American’ yeshivos, ivrit is the language of Torah learning in Eretz Yisroel.
I know many people from yekkish/litvish homes, i.e. english speaking, who learned in Yiddish schools in London (Stamford Hill, where there are no non-chassidish schools anymore), and they can’t read and translate chumash into English. They can translate into yiddish parrot fashion without any understanding at all.
Of course, we want children to open up a hebrew Sefer and give a dvar Torah at the shabbos table, but better to understand your learning in the classroom.
We’re slowly getting there….
So they’ve moved a whole set of institutions (Yeshiva ketana, mesivta, beis medresh and kollel) to a new campus in a different town?
OK. So what’s happening there?
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Thank you theprof1.
Exactly! Everyone knows Durham is in the North of England, just 15 miles south of the Angel.
“Both the Ga’vad and Ra’vad of the Eidah Hachareidis speak fluent English”
That’s because they are from London, not because they sneaked out of class in yeshiva ketana to learn English.
“so anyone who can trace father to son back to Rashi.”
You’ll have a problem tracing anything to Rashi’s sons, as he only had daughters.
Joseph, I can see what you’re thinking, but as far as I understand Moshiach is someone who one wouldn’t expect it to be. Much like Dovid HaMelech being crowned was a huge surprise even to his own family. So, perhaps ZD’s prediction is more accurate than yours.
ZD, correct. Maybe it wasn’t clear. My point is that the original guidelines were based on this type of scenario. And NOT the type that exists in the typical heimishe shul nowadays.
LuL, What you’re saying is a Chofetz Chaim. Those two things exactly, are what is stopping the rebuilding of the Beis Hamikdosh.
On the subject of a congregant being free to leave the shul if he doesn’t like the Rav; We have to understand the history of this halocha. When the poskim discuss appointing a Rav, or a kehilla appointing the son of the previous Rav, It was the Rav of a town. Historically, a town had a Beis Haknesses. And the Rav was the town Rabbi, who was therefore the Rav of the shul by default. This situation hardly exists nowadays.
As an example, Gateshead is a town, with a Rav and, until recently, a single shul. Of course there are many minyonim in the town, Boarding School, the yeshivos and kollelim, but all are under the auspices of the Town Rav. And regarding membership, all shomrei shabbos residents of the town are automatically members of the kehilla, and therefore obligated to pay membership.
The modern day, sha’alo is about appointing the son of the previous Rabbi of the shtiebel, and if I don’t like him, I’ll daven in the shtiebel on the next corner. Or as the situation is in many places in the US, where the Rav is called the Mara D’Asra of a single shul, and of the members of his shul.
(I know the conversation has moved on, but just to clarify something…)
Mods, I was not objecting to his presence, just wondering why he wanted to be here at all.
Avi K, It is not necessary to insult anyone, nor any segment of Klal Yisroel to be an upstanding member of the CR. At least I am clear now, which way your bread is buttered.
? You know that’s a reference to payment, right?
WARNING: THIS IS A JOKE. PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK ME
<joke>DaMoshe, Separate seating was instituted by a man who wanted to eat a huge creamy danish or cake or have more fried potatoes etc, and didn’t want his wife to stop him.</joke>
Golfer, your #1 tragedy, is the same as that of the OP.
I believe TruthWins’ point is, that because there are so many Yidden concentrated together in one area they have divided into factions, and many may consider themselves better than others or at least have reason to separate themselves.
Consider this: I remember hearing an interview with the late Chazan/singer Reb David Werdyger z”l. He was asked, as a Gerrer chasid, how was it that you sang nigunim of Belz, Chabad, Modzhitz, etc (or whatever it was). His answer was most enlightening. After the war, there were Shomrei Shabbos and non-Shomrei Shabbos. No one cared what kappel, hat, streimel or spodek you wore. You were happy to see a Yid who still believes ‘az s’iz dor a bashefer in d’velt’ (that there is a Creator in the world). There wasn’t a difference between Gerrer nigunim or Modzhitzer nigunim etc. any more than there is a difference between singing Shabbos nigunim or Yomtov nigunim. Nowadays, our strength is that each group has grown, and has set themselves up as an entity of its own. That does not encourage achdus, it only makes it more difficult.
Another point: By way of example; In Antwerp, there is one Vizhnitzer Beis Hamedrash for the chassidim of 4 different Vizhnitzer Rebbes. (2 in Bnei Brak, 1 in Monsey and Seret in Haifa). There are so few chassidim of each Rebbe, that they have never split up, and all daven together, ‘praver’ together, and differences are hardly noticed. In big cities, like Yerushalayim, Bnei Braq, Boro Park etc, I’m sure each one of these groups has their own Shul, and possibly schools, yeshivos, kollelim etc. Where do you think there is more achdus?
In a small town, there will be maybe two shuls, (you can’t just have ONE shul ;)), and many more different types will daven together, get to know each other, overcome each others’ differences and, thereby, bring more nachas ruach to the Ribono shel Olam, the Father of ALL yieden. This will bring Moshiach, and ultimately the return of the Avodas Beis Hamikdosh.
K-Cup, What do you mean “Avi k made a nasty comment, but it was not to anyone in particular”?
No, not anyone in particular. But to an entire segment of the Jewish population! And a segment who, I would think, is the target audience of this very forum.
And then, just to confirm his intolerance and prejudice, he uses the term “butterflies” and justifies it by saying “(as they are called in Israel)”!!
Avi K, why are you here at all?!
Mods, why is this allowed?
Not familiar with the term, didn’t expect anything of that sort from him and thirdly, if you object to his presence (rightfully or not), there should be objection to many other’s as well
I have had this same dilemma before. I would say, the mitzvah is not to take it home and put up signs, the mitzvah is to get the object back to the owner ASAP. If that means leaving it where it is, then do just that. Is that wrong?
Avi K, I strongly protest your last paragraph above. It is hateful and very offensive.
Up to that point, though you did make a good point. When Chasidus started off, there was huge opposition among Rabbonim. There was the famous cherem. I don’t know about that particular story, though it is vaguely familiar. I would recommend the Artscroll biography on the Vilna Gaon which delves into that painful period for klal yisroel.
Who, if anyone, was your president?
ubiquitin, Yes it was directed at you. The world’s most moral army doesn’t shoot unarmed injured terrorists ( – unless you believe al jazeera or the NYT).
NO. He shot a terrorist who was injured and alive, and suspected of having a suicide vest.
assurnet, Wow, that’s powerful. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Maybe I wouldn’t write “Yalla Hashem”, but the sentiment is right.
“Thanks for flying El Al” – LOL, love that. I used to say that at the end of a long rant.
I’ve got ya now.
Anyway, Shmuel Kunda’s tapes are set a lot longer ago than 4 years, but they are timeless!
This sounds awfully complicated. Let me give an example of the Mirrer Yeshiva in Yerushalayim and see how the ‘oilem’ takes it.
When Rav Beinush Finkel zatza”l was nifter, His son in law, Rav Noson Zvi Finkel zatza”l was appointed Rosh yeshiva. At the time, Rav Refoel Shmuelevitz zatza”l made a quiet protest on behalf of the Shmuelevitz branch of the Finkel family. Perhaps as the eldest son of Reb Chaim zatza”l he should be appointed R”Y. The case went before Rav Schach zatza”l. He asked R’ Refoel, are you willing to take on the financial burden of the yeshiva?, and the answer was no. So all agreed that R’ Noson Zvi be appointed.
In true Mir style, R’ Noson Zvi insisted that R’ Refoel share the weekly shiur klali, and 5 years ago when R’ Noson Zvi was nifter suddenly, all supported his son R’ Leizer Yudel to take over the yeshiva. (Perhaps cynically, the overdraft was so big, no one else wanted it). To this day, R’ Leizer Yudel and R’ Refoel’s son share the weekly Shiur klali. This is even though there are older (and perhaps greater – but who can judge that) talmidei chachomim in the yeshiva.
My point is, that being a relative of the previous rosh yeshiva does help, but the leadership is not all the kovod, but goes with the responsibility of raising the money.
What is very sad, is when bochurim or other people take sides in a dispute. That is what was destroying Ponovezh a few years ago, and sadly sadly continues in other places, not only yeshivas, but communities and rebistivas (Chasidic courts) where it can and has torn apart families.
ok, so…?
I’ve got a mayor in my class, Meir Linkenstrasser!
catch yourself,
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Joseph
Veltz Meshugener,
WZWY2 is also my family’s favourite Shmuel Kunda tape, (although we have it on CD, it’s still a tape). I agree with your summary.
“A fency ledder abaat a vacation? Ich freg dir, I need a vacation? heh? A vacation?”
I love how Mrs Himmelstein bargains with the sellers at the market. (Story 1)
On When Zaidy was young vol 3, there is a beautiful song called “Goodbye my little village”. It’s worth a listen even for people who don’t want to hear the whole story.
Chazoras haschnapps
Good. So it’s not just me be being thick 🙂
No, it’s definitely Rav Pam
Our family always talks about “bullzoders”.
Thank you huju. That’s very interesting. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but when I think of the Clintons, Little Rock, Arkansas comes to mind. Did they initially live there?
LU, Rav Paysach Krohn says that story about Rav Pam zatz”l. It’s a beautiful story that could have equally happened with Rav Miller zatz”l
Zos chanukah is a reference to much more than the krias hatorah. It is a very deep concept in chasidic writings. It represents the last day in the process of the yemei hadin that began in Elul, and a great opportunity for tfilos to be niskabel.
Mods, yes, I was responding to the question in the subtitle. Don’t remember where I saw it, but I had to try work it out. It would be difficult to know moderator in-jokes from 5000 miles away.
Btw, I still haven’t worked out “iacisrmma”. Any clues please?
Didn’t mean for it to be an in-joke, more of a timely joke. Sorry can’t help with iacisrmma despite my curiousity, he mentioned it was personal.
Why is he living in Washington? Is that what presidents do after leaving office?
Is this in Chicago? Or Washington DC?
So, let’s say, chances are low.
Mods, I have a suggested answer for you. The screenname “yitayningwut” means, “You’re ta’ayning what?”. This expression would be used as a shocked reply when a chavrusa gives a krumer svora, and his partner asks what his ta’ana is.
If you are responding to his subtitle you are correct. We knew that, it was a joke at the time.[shout out in case you’re listening]
LB, there are many reasons why this law is not applicable. I don’t know details myself, but I would say that it’s definitely not offensive to ask a Rabbi or Rebbetzin, as your intention is clearly to learn and understand.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Rabi Yochanan ben Zakai’s deal with the Romans.
LB,this is a huge subject with many differing opinions as to where exactly it applies. Basically, after the Temple’s destruction, The Rabbis forbade singing, playing, and listening to music. However, what is the subject of dispute is where and when this applies. Some of the applicable cases are parties with wine, or music while falling asleep or as you wake up.I think that’s why the post you referred to said “on a simple level”. There is so much commentary on this gemara, that it is hardly applicable in practice.
Like many things, if you are concerned speak to a competent, understanding Rabbi or Rebbetzin.
tish where they but dua 6th rebbes
We once had Yemenite guests for pesach. They baked their own matza in a sort of barrel as an oven. As children, my parents let us eat it. So it was soft like pitta, although more burnt that a regular pitta. The pasuk calls matza, “uggos matzos”, which translates simply as, matza cake.
If you have a yemenite community where you are, maybe get an invite there for pesach. (Disclaimer – You may want to get guidance from a Rav first)
This reminds me of a friend of mine who met Efraim Mendelson a few years ago, and knew he recognised him but it took time to place exactly who it was. Suddenly, he said, “Oh yeah!! I know who you are, you sing Rochel Avinu!”
Sounds like it’s from nishmas in Shabbos morning davening
Is that the only thing that’s bothering you? I’m sure you can get a normal boiler installed. I lived in Kiryat sefer for 2 years in a 1990’s building, and we didn’t have to turn on the hot water boiler for an hour before taking a shower.
Very sorry to hear. I have heard of this Rabbi. His son, is well known as Rabbi Avi Shafran of Agudah fame. He wrote a book about his experiences in Siberia during WWII called “Fire, Ice, Air”.