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NCB. Thanks for the compliment.
That’s why we have a Rov, and don’t pasken from the CR.

Just thinking, the Yeshiva guys are coming back in the next few days. Yekke2, if you’re around, I’d appreciate your input here.

NCB,
“He seems to be working off the assumption that all Baalei Teshuva and Geirim refrain from wrapping tefillin on Chol Hamoed. I think this has come up in the CR before. It is totally mythical; I have no idea where the idea originated. There is no such thing as a specific mesora for non-FFB’s. A better question would be, do minhag haGra folks have to wrap tefillin in KAJ to not be over on lo tisgodedu?”

I got this idea from talking to and learning the seforim of HaRav Moshe Sternbuch. We were members of his kehilla in Johannesburg, and I asked all my big shaalos to him when living in EY. It’s not that there is a mesora for non-FFBs, but as i wrote above someone who doesn’t have a minhag, would take on the minhag of his Rav/Rebbe (I didn’t write that earlier but i should’ve) or default to the halacha as paskened in Mishna Brura.
Maybe it can be compared to waiting 3 hours from meat to milk. It is a major kula, but accepted in many kehillas. You can’t just decide to take it on because many other great people accept it, without having it in your mesora.

Regarding a Gra-nik in KAJ, I imagine they build a special area in the shul cordoned off from the tefilin wearers, and give them special piyutim to say with the notes to sing the nigun in the correct nusach.

laskern, That is the generally accepted minhag where the shul minhag is NOT to wear tfilin. In a shul where the minhag IS to wear tfilin, e.g. Yekkish or Litvish, generally the non-tfilin wearers daven in the main shul. The reasoning is because often it does happen that people daven without tfilin for various reasons. Therefore it is not obvious that they are differing from the shul’s minhag.

hml, very interesting. But the story needs context. Are you chassidish or sfardi? Are you in EY? etc.

Joseph, established baalei would have a minhag once they reach their first chol hamoed. You assume they would do the same thing everytime afterwards.

Joseph, Firstly, you can make the argument and some still believe it is possible, Read about the town of Orania and the Volkstaat. However, I shudder to think how Jews would fare under that model.

Secondly, I did say she is the moral example. I don’t know how Charles will look when he ascends the throne. He’s been good the last few years. People are looking forward to William’s eventual reign, as thus far he hasn’t got that baggage. People like and respect William & Kate as the future of the monarchy.

Just to the OP, a monarchists perspective. I don’t think Trump should be crowned a King and USA wouldn’t work as a monarchy. But us living in a monarchy are very grateful that we have a Queen who leads with a sense of responsibility. She leads her family and by extension the country as a moral example. The monarchy gives stability to the governance of the country. Even though she doesn’t make laws and kill people like her ancestors may have, she is still more involved in day to day business of state than people realise.

laskern, As far as I know Rabeinu Tam himself held it’s ossur to wear tfilin on chol hamoed. It would be a tosfos in menochos, if that is so.
But the main reason Chassidim and Sfardim don’t wear tfilin of Rabeinu Tam is nistar. Apparently, in Toras nistar, one who wears tefilin on Chol Hamoed is chayav misa. And in toras nistar the halacha is like rabeinu tam. So Chassidim & Sfardim who pasken like, or at least are choshesh for Toras Nistar refrain.

iacisrmma, Ok, so I’m not sure if chumra is the right word, maybe hiddur is better. But let’s say a baal teshuva or a ger who has no set set minhag, who asks if he should wear tfilin on chol hamoed, is told not to. So what I mean by chumra, is that one fulfills more opinions by not wearing than by wearing. Similarly, someone who stops wearing, like myself while I was living in Eretz Yisroel, has to be matir neder if he wants to start again for whatever reason.
A ben EY who comes to chutz laaretz for yom tov, does not wear tfilin on Chh”m, a ben chu”l in EY also does not (at all according to many opinions) and certainly not in public.

I would be interested if anyone knows about what would happen, in a place like KAJ, Washington Heights, where the minhag is definitely Jekkisch. Does EVERYONE wear tefilin chol hamoed? Even baalei tshuva and geirim?

18MinuteMatzah, What you’ve read so far is typical man to man banter. If he talks to you like that, walk away.
Seriously, you won’t find what you’re looking for hear. I suggest you have a heart to heart with your LOR (Local Orthodox Rebbetzin) to set up on the path.
Wishing you all the best, and you should find your basherte quickly and easily.

laskern,
Tefilin on chol hamoed cannot be baal tosif. Baal tosif is to wear 5 parshiyos, or 5 minim in the lulav, sukkah on simchas torah (Avi K – in chutz laaretz) because of 8 days instead of 7, etc. If you say shema before davening because of the zeman, and then say shema again during the zeman, tht’s not baal tosif either.

GH, actually, it’s not a purim sugya. If I recall correctly, R’ YY Jacobson spoke about it last year. I need to find it. I remember it being fascinating.

Also GH,
“Whats clear is there are more minhagim than there are gadolim and other chashuve rabboniom who can be cited as the source of the minhag”
Minhagim don’t come from gedolim or chashuve rabonim. They are passed down in mesorah in a family. It has been said, the mishna berura was written for baalei tshuva and geirim, who follow the strict halocha. If someone has a minhag which is ‘oisgehalten’ (based on a solid source i.e. not a minhag shtus) then it is preferable to the generally paskened halacha.

@CTL, phew that’s more like it. I’m going to have to Google to understand the first bit of your reply. But on the 2nd bit; Thanks for the update. Yes SA has changed beyond recognition in the last 24 years. Pity that Mandela’s successors couldn’t keep up his progress. In my time OR Tambo was a terrorist and Cape Town airport had tap water and was called DF Malan.

Yitzchokm, Because according to their minhag you can’t wet matza in the first 7 days of pesach.

Avi K. your friend’s cousin maybe someone I know in Manchester. Someone in Manchester told me he eats gebroks everyday of pesach for oneg yom tov. Except Acharon shel pesach because that’s when the chassidim eat gebroks, and he doesn’t want anyone to be choshed him of being a chosid. The problem is when like this year, acharon shel pesach is on Shabbos. You can’t make kneidlach on Shabbos, and of course they wouldn’t make them before shabbos. If you have them people may think you’re chassidish, if you don’t it’s a lack of oneg yomtov. I left him to ponder the matter…

Seems it’s only you. Really random.

Uncle Ben is right. It has turned out to be minhag among Bnei Brak people, and has spread to Bnei Brak type of people elsewhere in Eretz Yisroel. A few people who learned in Ponevezh even do it here in England. They wear a frack (as we Brits would spell the way it’s pronounced) at their Chasuna and then on Yom tov and chol hamoed. Many “Bnei Tayreh” have taken this on, and it gives yom tov a special feeling, with then with their fracks and Belzer chassidim wearing white socks. There is alays a discussion when Shabbos follows Yom tov, do you change back into regular shabbos clothing, or keep the nicer clothing over shabbos as well.

There is a well known anecdote which may be true. Rav Eli Gurwicz, son of the Gateshead Rosh Yeshiva is married to the daughter of Ponovezh Rosh Yeshiva Rav Berel Povarsky. When he was going to come to Gateshead for Yom Tov for the first time his mother told him, Come for Yom Tov but leave the frack in Bnei Brak.

You CAN change it, yes. But the OP said “Your username is by DEFAULT your screen name”. That means it is your screen name until and unless you change it.
That should be clear. We can now close this thread, with thanks to all contributors. – unless of course someone wants to start bashing Chabad, as has very sadly become traditional around here.

This is a very interesting topic. Thank you Joseph for bringing it up.

The feeling I have heard, and to echo WtP; is that the children of shluchim do better, because their parents do not rely on school for the children’s chinuch, don’t rely on the street for their children’s company and don’t rely on the community to provide a yiddishe atmosphere. Therefore they HAVE TO do it themselves. They do it themselves and they put their kishkes into it. Halevai, ‘in-town’ parents would would be so hands-on involved in their children’s chinuch. It’s no surprise therefore that the children of shluchim turn out to be ehrliche Yiedden and eventually shluchim themselves.

@chabadshlucha, The Rebbe’s brocho will continue to become true, for as long as ‘Shlucho shel odom kemoso’, and ‘Chazoko shliach oiseh shlichuso’, it will be ‘Shlichei mitzva ainon nizokin’.

A couple of questions, Gateshead is a very frum litvishe town in NE England, and right next to it, is Newcastle, a city with very little yiddishkeit. The Chabad shliach in Newcastle sent his children to the litvishe schools in Gateshead. (This was 14 years ago but may still be true.) How would a potential shliach feel about going to a place which is very near a thriving mokom Torah, as opposed to a place which is a genuine hick town in the back end of beyond? Is a Newcastle type place more attractive or does it make no difference to a young couple starting out on shlichus.
Secondly, how does the OTD rate compare in Crown Heights with the OTD among shluchim?

To end off, this is the opposite point of view, but we have to be balanced…
Ohr LaGolah, is Ohr Somayach’s training program for OOT Rabbis. They tell their trainees to only live out of the Yiddishe centres for two years, because they don’t want their children coming back to them as customers, i.e. as non-frum, needing kiruv themselves.

Interesting question.
If i’m wearing slip on shoes, i do take them off and put on crocs which are usually waiting by the front door.

Unfortunately there are people who dress Chareidi, and in fact dress like very pious people, who do shout abuse at soldiers and throw rocks at them. It is tragic, but it does happen.
Rabbi YY Jacobson has told us the way to treat soldiers and how we should think of soldiers who we meet.
Go on to Torah Anytime and search for “How to Treat Israeli Soldiers”

Gadolhadorah,
Rav’ Simcha Zissel Ziv, the ‘Alter fun Kelm’ was one of the gedolei hamussar. Rav Simcha Zissel Broide was the Chevroner Rosh Yeshiva. It is a very widely used boys name in the litvishe, yeshivishe world.
Having said that, my father-in-law’s grandmother was called Sara Zissel, so we have many girl Zissel’s in the family.
Rav Yosef Zvi Dunner, Rav of the Adass in London, had 5 boys and no one to name after his mother, Shulamis. He named he next child Shloime after his mother. The next child, was (and still is) a girl and now choshuve Rebbetzin, called Shulamis.

Growing up in South Africa in the 80s we used to see the pen pal columns in the Olomeinu, but my parents didn’t let us write to anyone unless we wrote to our cousins in Gateshead first. Much less exciting.

NC, LOL

Mods, any chance of a Return of the Subtitle?

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GadolHadorah
Re no: 831. Is that after they’ve landed at Heathrow, and got one of the hundreds of ex-Israeli taxi drivers to take them round London and the two day whizz around Manchester?

Rabbi of Crawley. Wtp is right. Do you think the Mumbai terrorists y”sh saw Rav Leibish Teitelbaum Hy”d and said, don’t shoot him, he’s Toldos Avrohom Yitzchok, and they’re against the medina.

Like any traveller, you could get someone to light in your house.

Rav Scheinberg ztzvk”l put a notice up in his yeshiva, that yungerleit should get their wives to light for them, while they stayed in yeshiva learning. (I believe the notice went up every year and the yungerleit went home to light.)
Sefardi bochurim indeed don’t light in yeshiva, but are yotzei with their parents’ lighting at home.
There are other examples of people being yotze with someone lighting in their house while they are away.

If someone is moving house that may be different. Then they have no bayis, and perhaps no chiyuv.

<joke>(if it was a chabad flight, does it need a menora on the roof?</joke> )
***Please don’t take offence, this is purely in jest and good spirit.***