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See first perek of avos. something like this, please correct me if i’m wrong.
All the time there were neviim, there was no machlokes in halocha. Afterwards, when talmidim became weaker and the transmission of torah shebaal peh became weaker, differences began to appear in halochos, the way they were transmitted to different talmidim, and further on. Hence the appearance of machlokes in halocho.
On a separate point, who finances those places if not working people??
A friend of mine in Bne brak had a problem with a certain cheder which wouldnt take his child because he was working. HaRav Shteinman got personally involved and said he would close the cheder down if they didn’t accept people from working families. He did say it was gaava causing this. He has tirelessly campaigned that chadorim do not discriminate against working people, just as he has that they take in sefardim.
May you have lots of nachas.
Avraham Fried – Ki Hirbeisa.
The words match the tune and its very inspiring
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just my hapence,
Your comment is the first one i understood. Good line about the Hand of G-d.
I think moshiach will be chareidi, but will arrive wearing a srugi, just to test our ahavas yisroel.
President Truman’s middle name?
About the logic of the 72 minutes…
R Meir Posen in his sefer Or Meir has a whole kuntres about this inyan, called kuntres haneshef, and he holds 72 minutes is not uniform across the whole year in all places. It will be longer or shorter according to where you are. So in places like Gateshead, there is no RT nacht all summer long, as it never gets that dark, but there is a reddish tinge in the sky all night, in June july august.
Dayan AD Dunner told me that we are noheg the 72 minutes uniform, across the whole year and in all places. It is not based on calculations, but is just 72 minutes. That is how R’ Aharon instituted it in the US yeshivish kehillos.
According to this, sometimes it comes out BEFORE motzoei shabbos in the middle of summer in Gateshead. Obviously, the 72 mins is only lechumra.
It is al pi sod. i dont know the mekor, but this is what i have heard. One should not leave an image of oneself in the world after 120. Therefore the Steipler, the previous Toldos Aharon Rebbe and many others were makpid not to have their photos taken. Apparently, after the Steipler found that there were many pictures of him around, he was no longer makpid on it.
There are ceretain days of the year where the minhag is to start davening early. Besides Purim, the others include, mochras yom kippur, hoshano rabbo, and there are others mentioned in the mishna brura.
bp27:
You’re probably right that kehilos are not meikil, but individuals may be.
The blackberrys have a problem that they get very slow. At the moment the phone to get is SS Galaxy Note II. very user friendly and more features than iphone.
(Howzit springbok007, is jy Suid afrikaans?)
bp27:
Of course you’re right that it not only chassidim who follow this shita. All i was saying is generally, chasidim follow ‘2nd skiah’. Most non-chasidim among the ashkenazim, i.e. litvish and ‘yekkish’/yotzei ashkenaz are makpid to daven before first shkiah, like the mishna berura.
The original yekkish minhag is based on the maharil and others, which is older than the shulchan oruch and rema, and that doesnt actually mention shkia as a limit for davening mincha. This is why kehilos like Breuers and other yekishe kehilos daven after shkiah.
I’ve never been there for shabbos, but i doubt they are mekabel shabbos after 1st shkiah like some chasidish places do. Please could someone confirm this.
The short answer is there aree two zmanim for shkia. The regular sunset is the usual shkia, but there is another time later, just before the geonim nacht called the second shkiah, which is generally held of by chasidish communities. Until just after the war they used this time for kabolas shabbos as well.
It is well known that the Satmar Rov Zt”l and Reb Aharon Kotler Zt”l came to an agreement in the 50’s when they both lived in Williamsberg, where the chasidim would be mekabel shabbos at the first shkia, and the litvishe would keep rabeinu tam zman for moitzoei shabbos. This is why the yeshivishe crowd in the US generally holds RT zman after shabbos.
Historically, a frum person has been defined as one who is shomer shabbos.
i just got to work, see you in 8 hours.
if you miss that, daven 2nd netz, “noch tzvelev”
3rd netz “noch tzvei”
Very strange to answer this on a forum, I have known Rabbi Emanuel for over 35 years.
His english name is Saul, hebrew name Meshulem.
Jewish Community Council of Montreal
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yocheved bas levi
Old Ghd sem is properly called “Jewish Teachers Training College”
Address for the ‘Old’ Sem is:
Beis Medrash Lemoros (Gateshead Seminary)
50 Bewick Road
Gateshead
NE8 4HB
UK
+44 191 477 2620
Address for the ‘new’ Sem is:
Beis Chaya Rochel Seminary
138 Coatsworth Rd
Gateshead
NE8 4LL
UK
Phone: +44 191 477 6450
True. Its even later now, than it was during the time of the Alter Rov Zatza”l.
147,
“when the streets are segregated, with males & females not being allowed to roam the streets at the same hours”
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I don’t know what you are talking about! I have lived in Gateshead for a total of 13 years of my life, and havre never come across segregated streets. (Maybe Monroe, New Square or Stamford Hill).
When em0616 says that “the atmosphere to walk on the streets can be unpleasant”, I imagine s/he means the non-jewish locals, called “geordies” who can be extremely unpleasant. The shop hours are segregated, simply because Ghd being a very small community of 350/400 families has only small shops and it is a practical solution.
Otherwise, Ghd is a very pleasant heimishe friendly place, with an old-time traditional yiddishe outlook.
A Rav once said a tfila for me for ayin hora, i think from the Chid”a
147,
2 corrections:
1) Dayan Gelley Shlita is NOT Av Beis Din, his title is Senior Dayan.
2) London Beth Din Is NOT the only authority to register marriages and divorces. The UOHC also register marriages, and in fact the vast majority of ‘chareidi’ weddings are under their auspices. The London Beth Din are the only ones to register conversions.
The Chassidishe Gatesheader: I don’t know who you are or when you turned up in Ghd, but I am fortunate to have been born there, learned in yeshiva there for 4 years, and then lived there for 7 years. About 10 years ago, Chief Rabbi Sacks paid a visit to Ghd, and when he walked into the Yeshiva Gedola Beis HaMedrash, THE ENTIRE Beis Hamedrash stood up as one to respect him. The Rosh Yeshiva welcomed him warmly and escorted him to sit next to him for Mincha.
I completely disagree with you that no one in Ghd knows who he is. When the Alter Ghd Rov opposed a statement the Chief Rabbi made in his book, he agreed and reprinted the book without the offending passage.
When people say that Chief Rabbi is inconsequential for the Chareidi community, they are so mistaken. Who stood up in the Lords to defend Shechita and Bris Milah? Who represents the Jewish community so eloquently to the Queen and Government? We have to have a lot of hakoras hatov to Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks and the United synagogue establishment. I don’t say that we (the Chareidi world) have to agree on everything the US do, but we cannot make light of the office of Chief Rabbi, as it achieves a great purpose that we are not in a position to do ourselves.
Just to clear up a few things.
1) The London Beth Din is made up of World class Talmidei Chachomim, and is officially the Court of the Chief Rabbi, with the Chief Rabbi officially being Av Beis Din. That is why Dayan Ehrentreu is/was called Rosh Beis Din. In practice he does not get involved in the inner workings of the Beis Din on a day to day basis.
2) Dayan Ehrentreu is retired, but is very active in the community and still travels Europe extensively for the CER and in other capacities.
3) The Chief Rabbi’s full title is the “Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth”
4) There are many YWN users east side of the pond. The world doesn’t end at Maine!
Let me wish Rabbi Mirvis Shlit”a great hatzlocho and siyatta dishmaya in his huge undertaking, ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??”?
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!
Besalel,
What is your point? should klal yisroel not have any kolelim?
if 50 states all secede, would that leave just Washington dc and porta rica in the USA?
It is HaRav Ezriel Auerbach who just got engaged. He was married to HaRav Elyashiv’s daughter. His Kalla is from the Elyashiv family, not sure who it is exactly.
YehudahTzvi
Wow, My father also says “heysedande”!!
BTW, There is an Even Ezra in parshas Vo’eiro, on Ehye asher ehye, which speaks about pronunciation of the R sound. I’ve never seen it myself but perhaps someone will check it out and see if he refers at all to this issue.
goldersgreener
The Sinai reference, is because in Yismach moshe it is at the end of a phrase and therefore is pronounced Sinoy, komatz and yud.
JMH, Lo is ommitted by some, because it is not grammatically correct, but said by others because that is in the original nusach based on rhyme.
just my hapence
What about har Sinoy, which no one argues is pronounced OY?
just my hapence, You cannot say that OY is made up! in shabbos morning shachris we say Yismach Moshe. It was written as a rhyme. That’s why we add Koroso LOY even though it isn’t grammatically correct. Now look carefully, it only works if you say the cholam as OY.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Bottom line is, say it as you were taught and dont change. If you do, you could be passeling all your krias shma’s from the previous years.
The Rosh Beis Din of Johannesburg, Rav Kurtstag, was brought up in Tel aviv, and was taught to read in the ha’avara of Tel aviv, which is most similar to sfardi. I dont remember who the godol was, but he was told to keep to it.
do you say chumosh, or chumish?
do you say poroshas vayeira or parshas vayeira?
do you say haftara or haft-oh-ra?
etc etc etc
Basically, we speak in a convenient way and not necessarily technically correct. The same goes for Good Yontiff and not yoim toiv, or mazel tov, and not mazol toiv.
When we say shema, you HAVE to be medakdek, not when talking to your friend.
(So everyone get a life, and talk about something real.)
I see it every year, people putting their whole plastic lulav case with contents still in there in public dustbins. I am shocked anew every year. It is a chefetz of a mitzva and has to be treated as such. Last year i saw a set sticking out of a bin in a tesco carpark. (for americans, imagine you saw a bound lulav in a trashcan in your local Walmart’s car park)
Seen in a shul in London:
“If you come to shul to talk, where do you go to daven?”
Why don’t you want to save it and burn it pesach time?
There are two minhogim about Behab,
1 minhag is the first monday after the first shabbos after rosh chodesh cheshvan.
the 2nd minhag is, the 3rd monday after rosh chodesh cheshvan, to mirror the taaniyos mentioned in the mishna in taanis, when there was no rain.
The 2nd minhag is generally the minhag ashkenaz (aka yekkishe minhag) and also results in a shorter taanis (in the n. hemisphere).
Hiilarious!!
TCG,
Even in the geordie North East dialect of yiddish, it’s pronounced Vinter.
Howay!
mommamia22,
Just to clarify: In halacha, a man can only divorce his wife, a woman cannot divorce her husband, i.e. he can divorce but NOT BE DIVORCED.
in other words, he cannot be divorced, where divorce is a verb. Of course he can be a divorcee, (after he has divorced his wife).
is that clear?
A Thought For Yom Kippur
Yom Kippur is often translated as ‘ the Day of Atonement ‘ – which I once heard ingeniously re-phrased as the Day of ‘AT-ONE-MENT’ – meaning a day on which we can be ‘at one’ with Hashem by returning to Him.
This is not only a clever play on words, but also very true, as it underlines the positive nature of the day, as one on which we can put the past behind us, and if we are sincere, to really make a new beginning in our lives.
Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get stuck in our ways, and ‘fall into a rut’, to the extent that we feel it is impossible to change.
The first Mitzvah that Hashem gave to the Jewish People as a Nation was the Mitzvah of Rosh Chodesh [Shemos 12], and the Posuk says: ”Hachodesh Hazeh Lochem Rosh Chodoshim”, meaning that this renewal [of the moon] is the time of Rosh Chodesh for you. Rabbi Samson Refael Hirsch, quotes in his commentary, the Midrash which points out that the Posuk is really hinting, that the word ‘Chodesh’ meaning a month, is the same word as ‘Chidush’ – meaning renewal. Therefore, the renewing of the moon is ‘Lochem’, – ‘for you’ i.e: an example of how the Jewish People should behave, constantly renewing themselves, never feeling that they have gone too far from the ‘light of the sun’, [the Torah], and that whilst one is alive one can always make a come-back.
Rabbi B Katz, London.
Appeared in the Jewish Tribune, London 13 September 2012
Mobico,
I have heard that the most important parts (after 13 middos) are the 3 or 4 psukim as introductions to each of the slichos with kerachem ov that follows.
Try Beis Hatalmud upstairs at 5.30am
Kahlua for a ??? ???.