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Lilmod:

You have two statement that seem to contradict each other…

1. When I said that it’s untznius, I did not mean that it’s assur. To my knowledge, it’s not assur. I merely meant that if you are asking about it, I would certainly say that it is a higher level of tznius not to wear it.

2. If it’s not assur, why assume that nail polish is untznius?

So why do you say black is “not Tznius” if you agree it isn’t Assur?

My LOR says I shouldn’t be wearing nail polish at all.

There you go.

Speaking of Tznius, did you ask your LOR if you should be braiding your hair as well?

lilmod ulelamaid – You already said this isn’t an “Assur” type issue. To quote from above:

2. When I said that it’s untznius, I did not mean that it’s assur. To my knowledge, it’s not assur. I merely meant that if you are asking about it, I would certainly say that it is a higher level of tznius not to wear it.

So once again, who says nail polish is Tznius?

The maaleh of being single and female! I can sleep whenever I want to!

Don’t mean to burst a bubble, but that is like saying the maaleh of being a Goy is that you can eat a cheeseburger.

Also relevant is the Gemorah in Gitten 12B & 13A.

lilmod ulelamaid – Thanks. To fully disclose, we did lein it for the Haftorah of Lech Lecha week before last.

Don’t listen to anything Joseph says. Ask your Rabbi.

Second.

Here I thought the thread was about the woman who kissed Arafat’s wife.

oh no, she is quite dead. This second botched coronation will be her last, and she will go down in the history books as the biggest loser to ever try (oh so hard) to be POTUS. She couldn’t even bring herself to give a concession speech.

1: Hillary is not Haman, about whom we say “V’atah al bamosainu tidroch”.

2: William Jennings Bryan lost the presidency as his party’s candidate twice (hence the “biggest loser”), and was still chosen as Secretary of State by Wilson. Perhaps Hillary will be sent as the ambassador to Outer Mongolia (a fate worse than jail).

Joe/Health – Redleg has an interesting point. We know the Halacha when you have two people drowning, that you save one (Kohen, Talmid Chacham, male, etc.) first. It is logical that the dynamic/halachic considerations changes when looking at a much broader scale (ex. Inquisition) or when there is no Vadai that the unsaved will die. If the child will Vadai die without being saved, and there is a 25% chance that the male will survive without help, should you save the male anyway?

benignuman- you are correct. I don’t know why I translated “Zeroah” as “Thigh” when it should be “arm”.

Thank you.

its because your suppose to cover your knees with a skirt

That is the question at hand. Do you know why? Do you have a source in Halacha telling you this is true?

What if my e-commerce store has a “no returns” policy for people from Detroit, Jackson, Miami Gardens, Birmingham, Baltimore, Memphis, New Orleans, Flint, Montgomery and Savannah?

Legal. It isn’t EEOC or FHA.

The Mishna in Kesubos lists a couple of such practices but does not include covering legs.

The Gemorah Kesubos there explains “sowing in the marketplace” as one who uncovers her thighs.

However, I would think that if someone is going on a tiyul or bike riding or horseback riding, etc, and she is wearing pants under her skirt, it is okay if her skirts goes above her knees. But again, that is my own assumption, so I may be wrong.

I’m looking for a source one way or the other. Also, if it is OK for a Tiyul, it is probably acceptable for the street as well (as far as the Halacha is concerned).

Thanks

Dressing too trendy or modern is also not tznius

Driving a trendy or modern car like a Lexus is similarly not Tznius.

Sparkly, I already gave you a very long answer to that question in another thread. In short, they have to be long enough that your knees NEVER show.

What if you are wearing pants or leggings under the skirt?

(I haven’t found a satisfactory answer yet, maybe someone here has one).

even though I do think they’re violating U.S. anti-discrimination laws.

I don’t think that the five areas listed create a class. Noting that other heavily Jewish areas such as South Fallsburg, Kew Gardens Hills, the Five Towns, Teaneck, University Heights, West Rogers Park and Pico are not on the list, a judge would have a hard time concluding that there is religious discrimination, even on the basis of location.

I was under the impression that the Gedolim or Rabbanim there consider it a Mitzvah to vote, but like I said, I’m not 100% sure.

Local elections. For example, there was a Machlokes in Lakewood to vote for Christie (the Rabbonim) or Corzine (BMG) for Governor in NJ. For a presidential election, most people’s votes really don’t matter in either direction.

I may be wrong, but my impression is that the Gedolim consider it important/a Mitzvah to vote.

Mostly in Israel, as it directly affects the money given to Yeshivos. For the American presidential election, the vast majority of the country’s vote (and larger of Religious Jews) doesn’t matter.

LuL – I thought you were discussing women. I did not think of that section of Shulchan Aruch (Orech Chaim) which discusses dressing oneself. The Mishna Berurah does say that one should keep covered all that is normally covered outside. Modeh.

That being said, it still has nothing to do with our discussion of pictures.

Tachlis, I asked my Rav for the halachic source, and I will bring it soon. I just want to verify something first.

I await your response with bated breath.

I am kind of surprised that this concept is such a chiddush for you. You never heard of girls not watching movies?? Or at least being careful what movies they watch???

A movie (which also has guys) is different than a catalog (assuming it only has girls), unless that catalog is made for the purpose of causing hirhurim. I’m not Choshed you about that being your question or concern.

Think about it from the opposite perspective for a minute. Is a male not allowed to see another man’s elbows or knees? Hear him sing? Swim in the same swimming pool?

Why would it be any different for women with other women?

Joe:

1: That is only once they are married.

2: The same Rambam says (as LuL points out)

??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????, ?????? ?????; ??? ?? ?? ????, ???? ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???? ???? ???? ????; ????? ?????? ???? ????, ??? ???? ??? ??? ????.

Simply put, they should both offer. He should still be Mechabed her more than she him (Yoser), so he ends up holding the door.