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Sounds like a scheme, where you pay the “therapist” to pay your child to show up so she can be paid again.
Also, if you wanted her Rov’s advice, you should drop her and go directly to the Rov.
My take is something very fishy is going on here, and you should try someone from outside your community, instead of a community enforcer posing as a “therapist”.
And they’re makpid on the Chazon Ish’s shiur.
Like!
notasheep – Nasata Divarecha L’shiurin!
How do you define “NYC”? I’m sure there are areas outside of Flatbush/Boro Park/Williamsburg/Teaneck that cost less than 550K.
notasheep – Once again, Rav Vosner disagrees with you, as he allows women to wear snowpants.
pants are that they cause hirhurim
That is an assumption which Rav Vosner (who allows snowpants) disagrees with.
DY: The Ribbono Shel OLam cares more about the Hashkafa of the matter than the pure Halacha. Look at any Navi and you will see that is the case.
Unfortunately, I have been hearing the term to “Jew” someone is to “trick” them into something that would then not need to be followed under strict Halacha or contract law, all in the name of “following halacha”, but not with the Hashkafic aspects of Yashrus and V’Ahavta ‘Lerayacha Kamocha in mind. There was actually a Mishpacha article last week about this, where a “frum” guy sold his home to another frum guy, but was convinced by the buyer not to get a lawyer’s contract, as they are two “frum” guys. Huge mistake. It is becoming more and more common in the business world to know to never trust an Orthodox Jew.
Specifically here, following the letter of Tznius without the spirit (to get dressed up before men so they can stare at her) IS in fact against Das Yehudis, as I pointed out earlier in the thread (as FNY said as well).
If you live in NYC (for some reason), you can become a LIRR employee. Otherwise living out of town (Eastern seaboard, Chicago, West Coast) is half the battle for getting a less stressful job, and you need less money to start with.
BoruchSchwartz – My understanding is that the actuary tests are crazy hard, and if you fail too many times then you get fired, and have to start a new profession. Sounds like a luckless job to me.
We really, really need a “like” button.
It goes to Harlem. If you miss the A Train, you’ll find you’ve missed the quickest way to Harlem.
🙂
Dr Hall: By definition, Chumros on Pesach, however outlandish are not “stupid”.
Re: Mechitza, you most certainly can daven in a non-mechitza shul. Many Orthodox Jews do so on a regular basis. I would just be surprised that you would daven in a shul that does not allow women at all.
rabbiofberlin – The key word there is “force”. As long as the government is willing to pay for it, you can’t blame anyone for taking. It is the reason why I support the Israelis in their choice not to fund Kollel (if they so desire), but if they change that choice, I would support that as well.
As far as the “Kollel for all” approach, that is much more societal than Halachic (where it is obviously disproved).
Dr. Hall: Let’s agree that the Mesorah doesn’t support Kollel (at least for argument’s sake). It does promote serious learning of Torah for every Jew, so that they should know all of the laws (at a minimum). The modern social contract (“Great Society” and socialized economies in Israel and Europe) has the unintended consequence that it is easy for someone to sit and do nothing and still survive (which was impossible 100 years before). How can we expect that people should NOT take advantage of that system in order to learn Torah to the best of their ability?
Gavra, you put “chochom” in quotes. I don’t know to whom you refer, but I can assure you that I am more discerning as to who possesses “daas Torah” than it may appear. I am discussing the principle.
OK. Works for me.
Obviously I’m not addressing anyone who clearly said “it will be safe”. That’s probably best understood by gavra’s last comment. (the premise of which, GAW – by the way – is that you should ALWAYS listen no matter what, because if its misguided then that too will have been whats supposed to happen.
No, if it is misguided, then it is not Daas Torah, and we are not Calvinists who believe in predestination.
In January 1944 A Daas Torah was given in Hungary that Jews should stay in Hungary rather than leave.
In April 1944 Admiral Horthy was overthrown and the gavel of Auschwitz fell on the Jews of Hungary
I’m not sure why this is relevant. There was no way for Da’as Torah to know the future, as they are not Omniscient. As such, they reasonably believed the people were safe (which they weren’t).
Alternatively, understanding that the Holocaust was a Gezairah Min HaShomayim, Hashem blocked the “Einei HaEidah” from seeing what the potential danger was, as part of His master plan that needed the Holocaust (and all of the deaths) to happen.
DY – When a “Chochom” breaks basic din principles, and then in the same letter claims that others did what he accused them of (when it is well known that they didn’t and he could have asked), then that individual is not Da’as Torah, no matter how “smart” he may have been. When he shows his Negius publicly, you can’t say he isn’t Nogaiyh B’davar.
That being said, it’s a very different story for a Talmid Chacham Atzum like Rav Chaim (who says himself that he is not a Posek). There it is a matter of understanding that the answer is based off of prior poskim, and has to be understood in that context. One of the examples that I like to use is Rav Chaim’s Pask that one must wear a hat for davening. This really is different for the Yeshiva Bochur (who goes in the street with a hat) vs. the Baal HaBos (who does not). The yeshiva bochur MUST wear one (as Rav Chaim Paskens), since that is “Derech Sheholchin Brechov” (As the MB says), but not one who goes out without a hat.
What I’m getting at, of course, is that despite a gadol’s fallibility, he still has a better chance of being right than a non gadol, so why wouldn’t you avail yourself of that for important decisions?
Unless he is ignorant (or chooses to ignore) of the facts, or even worse, Nogaiyh B’Davar (Like many “Roshei Yeshiva” when asked if one should stay in Kollel). Remember the (rather famous) story with Rav Chaim and the basketball*? I would rather ask a doctor who knows medicine, a lawyer who knows law, etc. than a “Da’as Torah” who feels the need to respond but doesn’t know the facts, or even worse, makes them up. And when the Torah says “Shochad Ya’avor Einei Pikchim”, it means Da’as Torah as well.
* Yes, there is an opposite story regarding the Chazon Ish and brain surgery. If someone with Da’as Torah was able to prove they were qualified like the Chazon Ish was (in that story), then there is what to talk about.
Gavra, your esoteric references notwithstanding, I agree that part of what is called “Daas Torah” is (or at least should be) the wisdom to know one’s limitations.
So we agree that today, practically no one has Daas Torah 🙂
And I would have thought you (based on your location) would understand the reference to “Daas Torah” unmasked as a bluff.
Easier to learn on a train.
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Someone who acquires Torah knowledge acquires the intangible we call “wisdom”.
Unfortunately, wisdom also means knowing when to say “I don’t know”, or “I need more information”, instead of making assumptions and therefore providing incorrect, inappropriate or incomprehensible answers.
Avos 5:6
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There is no such Rambam!
(AKA “The Turtle moves!” or “E pur si muove”)
I’ll trust the cow over someone who claims to be quoting “the Gedolim”.
Halacha – Covering hair
Minhag – Shaving head
Chumrah – Cutting Shaitels short (could also be added to Shtus)
Shtus – Thinking that you will save the world by having a shorter shaitel
Keep them coming 🙂
I’m still not sure why you would want to live in Far Rockaway over Kew Gardens Hills. What advantage are you seeing in one over the other?
BS”D
Wallflower: There are many places to start (and I strongly suggest asking your Shul Rov (not “sem rabbi” or any woman figure)), but if I were doing it myself, this is where I would start:
Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer Siman 21 (with the meforshim on the side), and Siman 115 Sif Katan 4 (also with Meforshim).
Shulchan Aruch Orech Chaim Siman 75 (same, and the Mishna Berurah, make sure you see sif katan 2 & 7 in the MB).
Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Daya Simin 340 Sif 11 (pashut because of Vered, but I did want to throw it in because I saw an article that IMHO completely misunderstood the source).
It would also help to see the source Gemaros in Brachos 24A and Kesubos 72 A&B.
Then there are “modern” Teshuvos, but as with many modern Poskim, not all are accepted as source and there are many disagreements.
I’m sure there are others, but that is a (IMHO) good start.
For Halacha L’Maase, as always, ask your LOR.
And when the Torah was revealed by Moshe Rabbeinu, the previously hidden splendor wasn’t at least as great?
Your analogy is not valid.
We were commanded by God to eat matzah and marror on Pesach, while we were not commanded to do so on Shabbos.
OTOH, building bonfires is not a command from God, but something that we, ourselves originated. As such, if we can do so for Lag B’Omer, I don’t see a reason why we can’t do so for Shavuous as well.
1: No. Many “Frum Jews” do not listen to the 5 books of Moshe, and Nach certainly not, but no “Frum Jew” would even think of transgressing the Kabbalah (Zohar) or the Tzava of R’ Yehudah HaChassid.
2: They believe that God did command them (via the Rebbes) to build bonfires.
[It might be something like the equivalent of starting groups for young boys teaching them from a sefer which advocates not to walk daled amos without thinking in learning. There is a source that such behavior is a good thing but see points one and two above.]
And then telling the young boys it is absolutely required for one to do so.
Seemingly a good dimyon.
DY – Or peer pressure, like OT’c community.
I have deep respect for her ability to overcome that. This shows not only the midah of tznius, but also that of gevurah.
Agreed. Ittisah recently told me a similar story with a woman she knows who started to cover her hair.
Sam2: +1.
DY:
1: Much of it is available online on Google books.
2: Agreed, but a book or pamphlet wouldn’t really help there either, would it? Besides, if the sources were taught, it would take more than 20 minutes (and be much more useful than learning Radak or Yalkut Shimoni).
3: I thought you were the one who said being Tzanuah is exclusively a middos issue. We can both agree that it doesn’t have to be one (although it certainly could be “showing off”).
DY: Nothing to do with “Fire and Brimstone”, but misrepresentation of Halacha. He disagrees in his S”HUT with the conclusions of his book (as I’ve pointed out in other threads). The book is not meant to be Halacha, but is unfortunately taught as the absolute minimum by many schools. Whether that was his intent or not, I don’t know, and I have no reason to assume malice on the part of an Orthodox Rabbi and can be Dan L’Kaf Zechus.
As far as the “middah” is concerned, you are only partially correct. Wearing baggy pants and a floppy hat with hair sticking out or showing elbows is following the “Middah” of Tznius, but not the Halacha (vs. driving an Infiniti or Lexus SUV in a full length dress is following the Halacha, but not the Middah). If the Halacha is not taught, then (as I said earlier) women think the whole thing is made up.
Zoroastrianism?
Seriously, it is a Chassidishe minhag. Something to do with Sefiros (not Sefirah), and I get lost at that point. I’m sure the Rebbes have Hailige Kavanos when going around.
Nechomah – There is certainly no reason why both can not be done, but not the reasons of Tznius masquerading as Halacha or even worse, changing it.
I had a discussion yesterday with my (non-Jewish) barber about Tznius, and how women these days dress in the street like they are offering themselves for hourly lease. It certainly is a “reason” to keep Tznius (just like any other reason you might suggest), but it doesn’t suffice, because it gets into some real questions. Why no jeans? hair? Slightly above or below the knee? Socks? Dressing like Princess Kate? That is why we have to teach what the Ribbono Shel Olam wants, not some rabbi, imam or “community” standards that are not immutable Halacha.
I. M. Shluffin, DY, FNY – Unfortunately, R. Falk’s book has proven to be a Michshol for many women. Similar to Chava and touching the Eitz HaDaas, they (correctly) believe this is not Halacha, and therefore (C”V) Tznius is entirely made up by men to control women, so there is no need to hold of it.
The concept is certainly a good one, and a bad application should not ruin the idea. What should be learned are the sources INSIDE. Learn the Rishonim on the Gemaros in Brachos & Kesubos, Shulchan Aruch, Meforshim. Not a “Pamphlet” or “Book” that will only make people think the whole thing is fake.
And yes, Tznius is much worse. A strong possibility (IMHO) for the reason is that Tznius is being taught by rote, from Pamphlets and Books instead of sources and real Halacha. The way to make it stick is to make it real.
Repost from 3 months ago:
Seeing how much attention YWN gave to one “Kanye West” when he did Teshuva after saying Jews have all the “connections”,
Kanye West Admits Jew Comment Was An ‘Ignorant Compliment’ He Wants To Take Back
Is his music now “Jewish”? 🙂
Does doing a cover of “Genghis Khan” (as well as many others, see Wikipedia) make that singer’s music non-Jewish? How about Bob Dylan? The Beastie Bochrim? The Bach? (I challenge anyone here to say the Bach wasn’t Kosher) (as I am listening to Das Wohltemperierte Klavier). Louie Armstrong singing about Shadrach? Shackles (Praise You) by Mary Mary? Black Hattitude?
I have to agree with Oomis here. Whatever brings you closer to Hashem within the realm of Halacha is “Jewish”, no matter who sings it.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/jewish-music-mah-zeh#post-508560
So too with music. Halacha dictates that we should not make weddings not cut hair and refrain from things that cause us enjoyment and make us happy.
Unless you have an ironclad source for the last phrase, I believe it is not true. M’maet B’simcha is only said about Av, not Sefirah. Perhaps that is the source of your confusion, that you are mistakenly equating the two.
I will be at_work.