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The Haredi partieis have said they will not be in government with Lapid. If they go back on their statement (Theirs not mine) they will be seen as liars and people with no backbone except for money
Not liars, but positioning themselves for the election. After that if Yesh Atid is willing to fund Yeshivos I don’t see how UTJ doesn’t go with them.
And everyone knows that the government will not start busting into Yeshivos and arresting learners. It would be a PR nightmare for a country obsessed with PR. The point is probably to make them felons and not eligible for funding (and maybe voting, which would cut down the charaidi population advantage).
akuperma – I believe Israeli society would see the Charaidim moving en mass to the NK shittah as a positive.
I felt that Raising Steam was a last hurrah, as he got everyone involved (and even had a spot for Ridcully and Lu-Tze).
He will be missed.
Yes.
I’m not sure why you have a Shaillah.
Pashut he is from the Disc (Counterweight), but he is also the first tourist, as no such thing existed on the Disc before Twoflower.
On the summary? I don’t have to deal with Meforshim. They make mistakes.
Who am I? Do I still exist?
A quick search shows Iggros Moshe, Yoreh De’ah 3:35
If a girl had two choices in shidduchim, either Rav Moshe Feinstein’s son (coming from a long line of choshuve rabbonim) or another boy who has *all* (eidel, chein, looks, smarts, honest, nice) the same maailos as Rav Moshe’s son except that his father is a very honest cobbler the son of a very honest bricklayer, or a boy has a choice of either Rav Moshe’s daughter or the son of the aforementioned cobbler with all the same maailos, you think the yichus is meaningless? [Let’s even say Rav Moshe passed away before the shidduch.]
Of course not. Since in this hypothetical, Rav Moshe’s son will have not lived up to his father, I would rather my daughter marry the one who worked on themselves to be come what they did over the one who could have been Rav Dovid or Rav Reuven but didn’t.
To use the Gemorah’s lashon, I’d rather Yayin Beinoni ben Yayin Beinoni over Yayen Beinoni ben Yayin Tov.
DY ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll let you be, instead of turning you into a more twisted pretzel trying to avoid answering 🙂
Otherwise you might have to respond “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is” 🙂
Gavra, I try not to denigrate, I rather disagree more often with certain actions I find objectionable, which some may choose to (or not) associate with MO.
Do you associate such actions with MO?
If not, why are you confirming a negative stereotype?
If yes, can you define MO as those who involve themselves in those negative actions?
ubiquitin – There is a chasm between “MO” (even as others define it) and Charaidi (and most American Orthodox probably fall between).
DaasYochid – Im Kain, you have a right to discuss or denigrate a group that you can’t even define? How did you know that your MO fellow you mentioned earlier was even MO? Maybe he was Yeshivish? A Galitzianer? Yekkie?
No, I think there are lots of people who are clearly definable as MO or yeshivish aside from their views on Zionism, it’s just hard to pin where the line is.
In the words of Judge Potter Stewart, “I know it when I see it.”
How about listing some of the characteristics of both, and perhaps we can evolve from there? Perhaps some people are both (or neither!)
From DY on the definition of MO:
I can’t think of a clear defining line, other than perhaps Zionism.
Earlier in the thread:
I know a MO fellow who had to move to Eretz Yisroel because he has a lot of kids, and even running two successful businesses, couldn’t afford the tuitions in the U.S.
It would have been cheaper for him to become chareidi.
So it isn’t MO, its Zionism (and its Elders?) who make MO rich?
DY: Mir Brooklyn. Thanks for the info.
You still haven’t defined MO. Also, would you then describe Darchei as “Baal Habatish”?
Really, though, how are you defining MO?
Now THAT is a good question (and something that I’ve been trying to tease out of you, as you’ve been ignoring it (on purpose)).
Personally, I would define it as following the Derech of Rav Yoshe Ber Soloveitchik. That would then include those such as Rabbis Hershel Shachter , Meyer AMUSH and Moshe Twersky ZTL, Moshe Meiselman, and those at Lander College (Rabbis Lander and Saks, etc.) as well as Young Israel Rabbi types. It would not include those who have excluded themselves, such as Open Orthodoxy. This would not include Rabbi Bender, who I believe went to a Brooklyn Yeshiva (Chaim Berlin? Torah V’daas?, not certain).
Since this is a non-standard definition, I respectfully request what you think.
Does lip balm = chapstick?
Can you pour it?
I might see him at a simcha next week, but come to think of it, I have another cousin who sends as well, and this one is actually quite yeshivish (in fact his oldest is in a mesivta which would be considered yeshivish by any standard) so I can’t imagine it’s MO.
So you have two cousins that send there, one MO/Baal HaBatish and the other Yeshivish. So which one is the place? Or do they just not fit into a pigeonhole?
OURtorah – I have no idea what is causing anything; I’m just quoting what the Satmer Rov held. You can ask one of the current Rebbes (or KJ) to explain the shittah.
Don’t blame me for being the mailman.
DY – IMHO (and it reads that way), the MB says it as well.
Looking forward to the Darchei response.
DY – No, he contrasts it to a hat in which one would not meet a Chashuv person, such as an undercap (not worn on the street) or a sleeping hat, not a Yarmulka or Kippah which one wears going about their everyday lives.
P.S. I’m really curious about the MO-Darchei question, and am eagerly waiting to see what you say.
DY – I apologize. The exact language is “K’derech Sheholech B’rechov”.
DY: Offen the Mishna Berurah himself where he discusses hats, he says “K’Derech Sheholchin B’rechov” MB 91:12. I’ve posted it before:
A bigger issue are those who would remove their Shlumpy hat when talking to someone Chashuv (imagine Gov. Deal) due to it’s misshapen form and dust. Certainly not Omed Lifnei HaMelech.
P.S. Lcheorah, it is much more halachic to wear a tie during davening than a hat for the same reason.
That’s probably because of all the poor Far Rockaway MO families who can’t afford HAFTR. 🙂
LOL 🙂
Darchei (I thought, correct me if I am wrong) has Regents, AP courses, and (as compared to a Yeshiva like Riverdale or Philly) a strong English department, as well as the vocational department we had discussed earlier. Doesn’t that make them MO?
So you send your kids to Darchei, and they are no longer MO.
And here I thought Darchei was basically MO.
At least wear a hat for bentching, davening, etc. in accordance with halacha as stated in the Mishna Brura.
As I’ve said many times before, that is only if you are Makpid to only walk in the street with a hat & jacket. Ayin Shom.
KJ Chusid is absolutely correct regarding the Satmar Shittah. They believe that it is an absolute issur to have a country ruled by Jews before the time of Moshiach, and that is one of the main things holding back the Geulah, as well as causing most of the evils of the world (Ayin VaYoel Moshe).
I agree that we’ve been desensitized, but it’s not totally gone.
Not sure, and certainly not in certain communities where Rov are on assistance.
DY: Exactly. Since it has become so widespread in our communities due to those other outweighing benefits, there is no longer any embarrassment even if one does not have good reason to take government funding.
Who says the Government is B’Klal ??? ????
Still ???? ???????.
Debatable. If it were so embarrassing, people wouldn’t do it L’chatchila.
Who says the Government is B’Klal ??? ????
If they had ??? ???, they would be less bureaucratic!
It is always better to be self sufficient, when possible.
Why? Even if you are correct, who says there are not other benefits that outweigh the idea of being self sufficient?
can someone please explain to me what is the plan for a guy that goes on government programs?
Why is this a problem?
AFAIK, Uber works in NYC the same way as it works anywhere else in the U.S. (At least as far as passengers are concerned.)
Yes and no. The advantage in NYC is that you get a licensed driver who has been checked out by the TLC, and has appropriate insurance. In other areas (such as San Fransisco, where there was a death that insurance refused to cover since the Uber driver is considered to be a taxi driver), you may run into problems.
In short, Uber in NYC will have a more professional and better insured driver than elsewhere, so that has to be considered in the response.
WADR, by law in NYC, Uber is simply a glorified car service. Its drivers and cars are licensed by the TLC. Look at the relevant court cases and news articles.
So before we can answer the TNC question, first we need to know where you plan on using one.
Lior: That’s absurd. Until you can trace your use of the flush toilet back to Moshe Rabbeinu, I expect to hear from you that you use an outhouse from now on.
Outhouses are explicitly mentioned in the pesukim, and I’m sure that anyone who claims to be following “ish mipi ish (this is the only meaning of mesorah which I am familiar with) as far back as they can” is still using an outhouse.
LOL
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We had a good discussion regarding these issues here as well.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/tznius-in-brooklyn
Charlie, what exactly is your mesorah? Who has transmitted this mesorah to you? Please trace this ish mipi ish (this is the only meaning of mesorah which I am familiar with) as far back as you can.
Please re-ask the question and answer (if it is not a violation of the rules regarding personal information) on a new thread, as it has no relevance to the OP or the discussion here. If you are trying to make an “argument by authority”, please state what your argument is and the authority on which you are attempting to base that argument.
P.S. DZ, what did you have for breakfast this morning? 🙂
Dr. Hall: As you said, your experience is limited to the United States. Part of being an Israeli Charaidi (which doesn’t exist anywhere else in the world) is the promotion of complete isolation from any outside influences, including other religious Jews who are not Charaidi. In that context, Rav Hirsh’s points make much sense.
OURtorah – Halevai those families would be willing to live the way yidden did “a few centuries ago”. That is part of what Rav Hirsh is saying as well.
DZ, I guess I’ll have to explain.
The subject of this entire thread, as well as the letter from Rav Hirsch and my comments, is not the man in kollel, but the wife that supports him. And the Atzlus is if the wife doesn’t work hard enough and put in the hours needed for a non-professional job (such as running a small business), not (once again) the husband in Kollel.
DY: like mitpachos, it is physically closer to the sefer torah.
DZ: sorry to rain on your rant, but totally no shaychus to our discussion. (I actually smiled.) Try reading what I said again.
how do the husbands cope vis a vis taking care of the house, cooking, taking care of the kids
Those are the easy parts. The bigger issue is going to minyan! The simple solution is to have chulent both for shachris and mincha maariv, and advertise at the local yeshiva. You will have no problems with minyan.