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gavra_at_workParticipant
Joseph:
There is also the Mitzva of “Lo theu Beriah lasheves Yitzra”, which transends Peru U’rivu and in some cases is even more Chamur.
I once heard a story from a Rebbe of mine on how parents of baalei teshuva do not understand how they can have so many children. The daughter promptly lined up all of her many children and asked the non-frum mother which one she thinks should not have been born!
Just try to see both sides of the coin. Lkol Zman Ves Lkol Chefetz Tachas HaShamoim,
especially in light of the gedolim saying it is muttar in some cases.
I direct this at you, since the others who “argue” have applied to themselves the statement of Rebbi Yehudah in Gemorah Keddushin 52b, Tannu Rabanan, third wide line.
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Igros Moshe Even Haezer Chelek Daled Siman Ayin Daled
If anyone else has some facts (not speculation or fearmongering) please point them out.
As Rav Moshe says, always ask your rav.
gavra_at_workParticipantWolf:
You probably know more about the catholic/protestant divide than I do, so I defer. Besides, I am not well versed in Nittel (I learn on the night of the 24th), and was just giving a possible answer for the minhag and Svorah of the Chasam Sofer.
Night still may equal more Tumah, which is why when it is night there is more reason not to allow those “Kochos” to adopt the spiritual power of Torah.
No I do not understand the concept, which is well beyond me.
gavra_at_workParticipantSince this seems to have degraded into a discussion on birth control…
There are Gedolim who allow it, there are Gedolim that do not.
Those who say no one allows it disrespects those Gedolim who do allow it.
As usual, ask your OWN LOR who knows YOUR situation. Be aware that it may be a halachicly valid option.
Also don’t disrespect those who get a Psak that they may not use it.
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You can just call him JON, or Jesus of Nazereth.
Wolf: The issue may be due to midnight mass, not the actual day attendance (night = more Tumah?)
December 31, 2008 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm in reply to: BREAKING: Lipa to do another concert – “The Event”? #630182gavra_at_workParticipantjewishfeminist02:
Every woman should know how to lain. It may come in handy on Purim!
gavra_at_workParticipantCharles:
Kedushin 49b!
gavra_at_workParticipantJoseph:
If we (the yeshiva velt) had the proper Bitachon, we wouldn’t have the problem!
The question assumes that we are not on the level to completely leave our worries to Hashem and therefore feel some Hishtadlus is required.
If you are on that level, I envy you. I also wonder why you are not learning full time.
December 30, 2008 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm in reply to: BREAKING: Lipa to do another concert – “The Event”? #630153gavra_at_workParticipantyossiea:
to quote a muppet “you have much anger in you, it may be your undoing” 🙂
You have the right to choose your own path (within halacha), but please do not disparage those who choose a different path. That is what you ask from others, so I feel correct to ask it from you and not disparage other’s gedolim.
P.S. Thank you Charles. Dan Lekaf Zechus applies even to public figures, Kal VChomer the Rav.
gavra_at_workParticipantMod! No names please! These are all jews!
gavra_at_workParticipantchaimss:
I had a chavrusa whos father was in the army, i believe involved with computers (worked at some fort near Lakewood). He did not seem to have any issues with Halacha.
As always, ask your LOR.
Mods come on! could we get a “stick to the post” and delete all the hate?
(to quote King, “Can’t we all just get along?”)
(Rodney, that is)
gavra_at_workParticipantPashuteh Yid:
Kavuah in general refers to the subject (stationary, such as the Boel going to the Eisha), not the daas. Could you please point out the location of the gemorah you are refering to that uses this svorah of forgetting and not using Rov?
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantcharlie brown:
The Shmaytza is bringing a Rayah from the gemorah of the camels that Shmuel doesn’t hold of Rov by mammon in any case. We see according to Shmuel in the Maskana that the case is not dealing with a rov, rather with “Gufo Muchzak”, which (seemingly) is a chezkas haguf that this camel is the one that damaged.
Tosfos in Sanhedrin, which holds Shmuel does hold of rov by mammon in certain cases, would hold our case is also a rov, but a stronger one due to it being in Tevah.
I specificly do not want to get into the rov vs. karov issue.
Thank you to all those who post here.
I am surprised by the lack of other posters on this thread. In a “yeshivish” site, does nobody want to discuss a Gemorah?
gavra_at_workParticipantCharles:
chazaka (in some cases, like the camels) means a general happening (such as any chazaka of “in general” (the stam) which is a rubah d’leisah kaman.
You (seem) to be talking about Ruba D’alma, which is similar to a Ruba D’eisa Lkaman as it uses actual probability based on # of items, vs. generalizations based on prior (not current) patterns, such as “camels in general when in this state damage” or “people in general do not pay their loans before they are due”.
Chazaka can also be the status quo (different idea). That is not the Chazaka meant here.
Like you, I am also rusty on the topic.
P.S. I apologize for not being able to respond until I get back to work. It does give me a chance to go over the sugya, though.
Yasher Koach!
gavra_at_workParticipantAlways glad to disseminate Torah.
gavra_at_workParticipantMountainEducator:
I will argue (and apologize in advance that I will not be able to respond until I get back to work) that taking on a chumra so that one can “fit in” to a more frum shul than he may be in normally, have his children join the “best” schools etc. is a good thing, as it shows his wanted madraiga vs. the one he is currently on.
Of coure I agree that if the purpose is to show off than it MAY even be Assur to be Machmir. (as always, ask your LOR)
Good story.
gavra_at_workParticipantI had some oofganiot. Ouch 🙂
Agree that Caramel from Maafe Neeman are the only Sufganiot worth eating.
gavra_at_workParticipantYes, but each camel has x probability assigned to it, and this one has the highest probability. We do not add up the various other camels to say they (in sum) had a higher probability.
This is without getting into the issue of Muad vs. taam for being in a specific “state” and how that plays into assigning blame.
gavra_at_workParticipantSimplisticly, it is statistical proof.
I have (attempted) to start a new thread going into additional detail
gavra_at_workParticipantChuck:
Obviously, you have never learned the sugyah and therefore have no ability to respond. When you learn the material, please come back to me. Otherwise, your point (of Rishonim not misquoting other Rishonim) is only made out of ignorance.
gavra_at_workParticipantyossiea:
Exactly the opposite. If one has enough Bitachon he does not need Hishtadlus.
(not to say anyone is up to that level, but the point is true). See the Rambam I quoted.
gavra_at_workParticipantrabbiofberlin:
Yasher Koach.
Your last post regarding Chumros on oneself vs the Klal is quoting the Mishna in Ediyos regarding Pitin Grisin in Perek Gimmel Mishna Gimmel.
gavra_at_workParticipantBLAHBLAH:
So you don’t hold of a Rubah Dlesah Lkaman?
You are against numerous Gemorahs that do hold of it.
gavra_at_workParticipantyossiea:
Please provide a source, as your quote is seemingly against the Rambam at the end of Shmita VYovel. I would like to see how thw Chazon Ish answers the apparent Stira.
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantfeivel:
How very true how we have fallen from our purest form of Avodas Hashem.
gavra_at_workParticipantChuck Schwab:
1: “who only criticizes”
2: see #2 to Doc
gavra_at_workParticipantSJSinNYC:
Respectfully, I would like to add an additional point of Chumra.
When there is a Machlokes in Poskim, and we Paskin like the Maikel. One who is “Machmir” to be Choshesh for the other side is (in general) praised.
For example, I have heard a story of (I believe) R’ Yaakov who wanted to offer a certain Rav who was with him for Kiddush the right to make Kiddush, but he declined. When pressed, the Rav stated that he had not yet finished Shnaim Mikra, and there is a Shita which hold you are supposed to finish it before eating anything Shabbos day.
A Chumra? Yes. Do we say that anyone who eats before finishing Shnaim Mikra is Over an Issur? I think not.
gavra_at_workParticipantMrs Tzippi:
Don’t they say what makes a nice jewish LAD is if he’s a Lawyer, Accountant, Doctor?
gavra_at_workParticipantCountry Yossi, not for the voice, but for the content.
gavra_at_workParticipantmazal77:
100%! Geat story! Just I am not on that level of Bitachon (yet).
gavra_at_workParticipantHi, squeak
gavra_at_workParticipantOm
gavra_at_workParticipantywnmember:
You can also animate the picture itself with custom animation.
gavra_at_workParticipantAgreed and Yasher Koach.
gavra_at_workParticipantWhats up (Doc):
1: Demand? How about ask to follow Netiquette.
2: Kedushei kessef BKarka.
3: Thin ice?
gavra_at_workParticipantJoseph:
Thank you. I would still like to hear it (Rav Miller ZZL) on tape, and am glad there is an exeception for “those who don’t know better”.
gavra_at_workParticipantJoseph: Agreed. There is never a reason for letzonus. I just like some of the other moshelim as well.
gavra_at_workParticipantMr. Chuck:
I’m also glad you’re not angry/hurt, there has been enough of that going around over the past week.
gavra_at_workParticipantChuck Schwab:
I’m glad you’re willing to talk about it civily and as a conversation, thats all I asked for, to not post unless you will respond. (I’m still waiting for Doc)
As far as the first point, see what I said on the Chumras post, regarding losing all your OH vs. some of it. I believe R’ Miller ZZL would not have said you lose all your OH if you own a TV, which was the inference I got from posters like The Big One. There are also exceptions to every rule.
I also have seen Rishonim misquote other Rishonim, so don’t be surprised if us minor beings misquote the gedolim. I like to see things in print from the source before I believe them.
The second point is valid; it is an outcome of the type of job I have. I can have 2-3 (as many as ten or more sometimes) minutes at a time while I can only wait for other things to happen before I can continue. I can also type and read very quickly.
Thank you and have a good shabbos.
December 18, 2008 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm in reply to: The Great Potato Latke vs Hamantaschen Debate —> VOTING IS CLOSED <— #933031gavra_at_workParticipantWho wants to eat Hamantashen on Purim?! there are much more interesting things to consume!
gavra_at_workParticipantJoseph:
I imagine it wasn’t aimed at those who only light one candle every night of Chanuka!
Feivel: What was the purpose of your original post?
gavra_at_workParticipantYea, thanks.
Just have good memories from going there back in the day
gavra_at_workParticipantJoseph:
I refer you to my post above.
There is no reason why all of the mesholim here can not be good and accepted, each with its own criteria?
gavra_at_workParticipantintellegent:
I guess they feel in EY they require more seperation. That is just speculation, of course.
Perhaps someone from EY could shed some more light on the subject.
gavra_at_workParticipantHave you gone to wild country safari near West Palm Beach?
gavra_at_workParticipantSJSinNYC:
I’m not. I have heard from a Gadol in EY there one of the reasons is the sports teams there play in general on shabbos, and they don’t want the frum olam following sports on shabbos.
There are other reasons as well.
gavra_at_workParticipantIt should be closed to those in EY, where the Gedolim there hold sports is assur.
Even though in Chutz it is muttar, YWN should not allow posts about sports in respect to those posters in EY. We don’t want them to be Nichshal, C”V.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo add, owning a TV, even if not used, could be viewed in context of the Gemorah BB 57b, regarding Eika Derech Achrina.
gavra_at_workParticipantnotpashut:
I apologize. Thank you for the clarification (not getting involved in the other discussion, where it seems that you both actually agree).
BTW (to all), If R’ Miller said “anyone who has a TV gets no Olam Haba whatsoever”, I would like to see it quoted somewhere. Until then I will assume it is hearsay (either not said or out of context). Perhaps he said “someone loses some of their O”H by owning a TV?”
(I do not own a TV)
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantMr. Chuck:
However, if you would like to have a conversation, please rephrase.
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