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September 17, 2017 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm in reply to: New Kol Koreh: most sheitel hair come from Indian temples of Avodah Zarah. #1366025GAONParticipant
Akup,
1. Why should it be a problem? who cares what her beliefs or occupation is.
2. I recall it’s somewhat of a problem, but it should be permitted when it’s a ספק or בטל ברוב, whereas, תקרובת ע”ז is never batel and is prohibited even when it is mixed in with others.
3. Great question, and I recall that being the drive of many coming out against shaitels ten yrs ago. At the time Rav Blumenkratz ZL was still alive, and he came out with a list and hechsherim, other than that there were not too many that were willing to get involved first.
Lastly, there were Matirim, i.e. as opposed to the facts that others came out with, they claimed that it is not exactly cut (based on many different discussions and research with Hindu temples) described by Rabbi Dunner who Rav Elyashiv sent or represented, and thus not exactly considered as Takrovas Avodah ZarahSeptember 17, 2017 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm in reply to: A Letter YWN Received On Sept 17 – Can Anyone Help Her? #1365958GAONParticipantSlonimer,
Reminds me the story of the Steipler; once a Secular couple from Tel Aviv had a beloved pet dog that was sick and the vet said there is nothing they can do, they heard later from friends that there is holy Rabbi in the neighboring city of Bnei Brak, who people refer to blessings, and which many have been helped. So they arrive to the home of the Steipler and explain thier troubling situation. The Steipler not wanting to C’V to offend anyone replied, “as with all the ones I pray for, I need to know the (dogs) mother’s name, otherwise I can’t pray for her so if you can please get back with the name I will gladly accommodate you…”GAONParticipantPopa,
And people died of plagues that spread like fire, in the thousands, for hundreds of years. Know part of the reason?September 15, 2017 1:12 am at 1:12 am in reply to: Are out of town communities less judgemental or is that just a mindset #1364162GAONParticipantFreddy,
The school was the local religious Talmud Torah, and everyone had a right to give his kid a religious education. They didn’t differentiate, they didn’t reject any Jewish kid that the parents were willing to send. That was the beauty, unlike today that extremism has taken over and everyone thinks I am holier than thou.September 15, 2017 1:10 am at 1:10 am in reply to: Are out of town communities less judgemental or is that just a mindset #1364159GAONParticipantJoseph,
I think you should move OOT for a month or two.
It might benefit you in lots of aspects 🙂 on the other hand, who will start all the controversies here,bif you will become less judgemental.
Does anyone else agree?September 14, 2017 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm in reply to: Are out of town communities less judgemental or is that just a mindset #1364144GAONParticipantJj20,
It’s absolutely true, if you live in one town where all types daven and learn in one place, by default you will have to be much more open and acceptive.
There is a famous clip of Rav Shtienman regarding Yeshivas accepting all kinds, he describes how his home town School of Brisk looked like, that basically you had in the same class the Rav’s kids and kids of the local Zionists, and no one had an issue. This is how towns are made up.September 14, 2017 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm in reply to: Some boys do better shteiging out of yeshiva WHY? #1364138GAONParticipant“learning locally in a Shul” as a full time learner or as part time? We can not properly suggest without detail.
Perhaps the following may help:
I once saw an hakdamah by an author who was a Talmud of Yeshivas Volozhin, after they reopened the 2nd time, the Rosh- Yeshivah at the time was Rav Refoel Shapira, he describes the Yeshiva then was made up of lots of bachorim that didn’t want a shiur or any official Seder. Rav Refoel of Volozhin was fluent on any topic under the sun. He claims the students who learned there had much more success than any other Yeshiva, being that they were able to study whatever thier heart desired.September 14, 2017 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363837GAONParticipantRSG –
“I presented this question to Maran Reb Chaim Kenievsky” ”
As with all recently “Maran Rav Chaim Q&A” ; they lack clarity, and I would never rely on any of those, unless written by a reliable Posek or by Rav Chaim himself. There are thousands passing and asking him all kind of questions and he replies in short. P’sak was always written with halachik/talmudic sources not just a short Yes and No. There have been some seforim like Hilchos Ketanos that were written as Halachos Pesikos and some opposed it. (which is a topic on its own)“One may tell a person sitting in his makom kavuah to kindly move, even if there is not another seat available”
He can tell” now , is the person obligated to move? Is the person going to be offended? Is it before or in mid davening?
And lastly, can you or anyone explain where do we find “Makom Kavuah” to be a “right” on the expense of any other person sitting (as commented above)?
In any case, the very concept of “Makom Kavuah” is ONLY regarding Shmonah Esrei, thus he can only request the spot for that particular time, and the rest of davening he can take whatever is available.Bottom line – if some late comer asks you in middle of davening to “move” because he has an issue with his Makom Kavuah” just reply you will move at Shmonah Esrei…
September 14, 2017 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363616GAONParticipantMany are mixing up the two topics.
a) Makom Kavuah b) חזקה on seats.
Those are two separate issues, regarding moving a guest over.
MAKOM KAVUAH –
I don’t see where the Shu”A or Talmud ever intended ‘Makom Kavuah’ as a ” right” over someone else sitting in your seat – all it says – is that YOU should make sure to do everything possible to daven in a Makom Kavuah, as they would say in Brisk: it’s a דין Din in the גברא NOT in the ” “חפצא (i.e. the seat) – the concept of Makom Kavuah does not give any rights. Yes, you can absolutely request (or arrive earlier!), but the person has no obligations to move once he is seated.
(Note – I just searched and saw some modern day poskim discussing the issue, but no one has any source where we see Makom Kavuah is a “right”)
CHAZAKA ON SEATS –
As others have pointed out, that is all up to the nature tekanahי of the Shul etc.
Is there any such Chazaka in the first place?
(Note, a mere place is not monetary, hence, is not exactly Chazaka of Baba Kama, but there is a concept of Chazaka as any right to a Mitzva, as pointed out by Ubiq..) How long and what defines Chazaka ? Is it a private Shul? Is it a public shul? Is it a community shul? Did he pay for the seat? Did the Gabay give him the seat? Is it a shul that everyone has their seat either given or purchased etc.?September 13, 2017 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363153GAONParticipantubiquitin,
“I agree it is wrong for late comers to ask people to move, though even thenIfthey ask nicely AND ( cant stress this enough!) provides a seat I think it could be justified but not as easily as the guy who comes on time.”
Good point!
Another point – Most don’t realize, that Makom kavuah applies to Tefilas Shemonah Esrei only (as all terms of Tefila in shas), therefore, where there is no other seat available etc., he can (and should) ask nicely if he can take his place by Shmonei Esrei, i’m sure the guest won’t mind moving over for the few minutes.September 13, 2017 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363110GAONParticipant“Well, the Mishnah Brurah says that it means the man’s seat in shul, but that anywhere he sits within daled amos of his seat is still his makom kivua.”
Furthermore, The Mishnah Brurah does not imply on the account of another person already davening, you can offer the person another seat, but the inyan of Kivua does not override anyone’s right to have a seat or to embarrass someone.
The very same Shulchan Aruch says that prior to davening you should be mekabel mitzvah of ‘ואהבת לרעיך’ etc. And also says “יקבע מקום לתפילתו שלא ישנהו אם לא לצורך – a guest sitting in your seat might very well be classified as “לצורך”, if there is no other seat to offer or can’t be done in a proper manner.
Additionally, there are Rishonim who hold that makom kivua only applies to your house, although we don’t rule like that, but I’m sure you can apply it to all the above, depending the situation.GAONParticipantJoseph –
“Chareidi butei dinim absolutely do not convert intermarried spouses.”
As usual, you just state without any sources.
Is Rav Chaim Ozer of Vilna considered a “Chareidi” Posek?
Is Rav Shlomo Kluger considered a “Chareidi” Posek?
The very statement of “absolutely” indicates ignorance. As there is definitely a Makom le’Heter (or even a Chiuyuv) if she is willing to accept Mitzvos.
Perhaps you are confusing it with Reform style conversion wherein there is no Kabalos Ol Mitzvos?As for your original question – bottom line:
A) work on his Kiruv, and after he embraces Judaism, B) see if she is willing to embrace it and seriously accept as well. C) Present the issue to a prominent Bes Din/Posek (or present it once she is process of considering – You are the “professional” in the Kiruv field).p.s. leave your spear home.
GAONParticipantubiquitin
“Although generally for “takanas Hashavim”we are meikel”
Agreed on the concept and in theory you are correct. However, allow me to elaborate, when it comes to ultra-sensitive issues as Ishus and Yichus. There is no definite p’sak or procedure and, cannot be, as the Geirus is entirely up to B’D, and these cases need guidance of Gedola Horaha, due to the gravity of the issue ruled as a case-by-case basis. see res. Divrei Chaim A”Hv vol 2 (ch. 36 at the end ). Gedolim have to make sure that the “heter” does not become abused as kind of a tool for all who just want to intermarry, it can only be used as a last resort, and that is up to the B’D to investigate and decide.
That is why in many cases, many will not permit it, as it became normal procedure and instead of being used as a ‘tekanos haShovin’ it became a Tikon L’evaryon’.September 12, 2017 1:27 am at 1:27 am in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1361511GAONParticipantKJ – Sorry, but your comparison to the Avnei nezer does not even hold for Drush’ let alone halacha.
Avoda Z has its unique dinim of אביזרייהו ..GAONParticipantJoseph,
So in your mind it is worse than Chllul Shabos or nevelos?
An issur that is not even punishable with Malkos, and again is ONLY in public i.e. in presence of 10 and ONLY via a true Kenoie (yes, i know everyone calls themselves a Kenoi these days – but not those and no one nowadays can claim so)GAONParticipantSorry, I just noticed ‘ubiquitin’ did post a source. Finally!
BTW – I recall many disagreeing with his p’sak like the Minchas Yiztchok, R SZ Aurbach…
Bottom line – it all depends in the circumstances, there is no blanket p’sak of how and what we say “tekanos Hashavin”.GAONParticipantMek5,
“to whom this is relevant should contact his local orthodox beis din and local orthodox Rav and not trust what unknown people say online”Best comment!
I have read the comments, and no one even quoted any sources; everyone is just saying what they feel, think or think they saw/ heard etc. All I know, there are exceptions in all cases, and you cannot compare any case. There were cases were they did permit conversions, even for the sake of marriage (I’m not speaking about conservative/reform kind of cases or even liberal MO – I’m talking about true poskim prior to the times of Reform, like Rav Shlomo Kluger ZTL etc.), wherein of course, they accepted all mitzvos. It is basically up to the Bes Din to decide and, in ‘some’ cases there are exceptions.
If it is REALLY relevant l’Halacha, I can look it up, and post just the Marei makomos and you can represent it to your Rabbi – to ask a Posek (Note, this is not a decision that is up to your typical local Rabbi).
But again there has to be Kabalos Ol haMitzvos according to all. Thus, is a reason why all reform geyoris are null. Not only because they convert for marriage reasons.
(And yes, you can convert for marriage reasons and still accept mitzvos. E.g. Ivanka Trump did and is considered a proper conversion, at least after the deed has been done)September 11, 2017 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm in reply to: Why is the frum world seeing more divorces while it’s dropping by the secular? #1360790GAONParticipantTLIK
“Schmutz always existed, and it is ignorant and primitive to blame it on current developments. Yet, one can use technology the wrong ways and for the wrong reasons.”
While I certainly agree with you that the blame on FB was overstated as a “prime reason”..However, I don’t think your comparison to the past is correct; Once-upon-a time, for order for one to get a hold of “Schmutz” he really had to go out of the way, whereas, nowadays, he/she can just be innocently “surfing” Facebook” accounts and fall into the worst imagined. It certainly does not help in any imperfect (but still solvable) marriage.
Many of the secular world can certainly attest to that, how FB ruined their marriage. I am not saying you should or shouldn’t be using it, but you certainly have to be on the alert and use it sparingly, carefully and, mainly halachicallySeptember 11, 2017 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm in reply to: Why is the frum world seeing more divorces while it’s dropping by the secular? #1360532GAONParticipant“Figures never lie, but Liars often figure”
Thanks CT for the line and is soooo true!
As they say:
98% statistics are made up on the spot–including this one!September 11, 2017 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1360520GAONParticipantWinnieThePooh,
Excellent point!
As I once pointed out to Joseph (who thinks Yiddish is STILL the most spoken Haredi language).
Unlike 30 yrs ago, try asking directions any random Charedi, Chassidic, Chazon Ishnik, Ponovich etc. in Bnei Brak and in even most Yerushalmi neighborhoods in Yiddish, they won’t understand a word and even if they will understand some, they won’t be able to respond, I’m not even going into S’phardim.So in other words, most Klal Yisrael communicates or understands in ‘Hebrew/ Ivrit.
And thus, whatever Rav Ahron Kotler said (if true) is definitely not relevant today.September 11, 2017 11:48 am at 11:48 am in reply to: Why is the frum world seeing more divorces while it’s dropping by the secular? #1360457GAONParticipantHaimy, as many have pointed out, your comparison of the 25% divorce rate of college educated is flawed, you will need to consider all that are “breaking up” as well, I am sure if you apply all numbers it will be more.
In any case, yes, the divorce rate is indeed going up by the Orthodox, and you are welcome to give any analysis…
You can say, it’s indeed the influence of the secular world as well, kids being spoiled, immature and thus, being used to having “my way” etc.GAONParticipantAgree with Agantz, it is not relevant. It is not something you should worry about.l (unless you plan on releasing an album and you want to invest) And any case, why don’t these ‘chesed people’ do those very chesed compliments etc to other ones as well?
BTW, regarding Kol Isha, according to many poskim, if you don’t know the girl, men should be permitted to listen to a recording, especially if done just for testing purposes or business related, etcGAONParticipantWondering* why isn’t the question the other way around:
Perhaps men should stay out.
After all, men do have a coffee room in shul… 🙂GAONParticipantLilmod Ulelamaid,
“I’m not a baki in Tehillim”
It is actually in Mishlei, so I doubt meforshim were studied in this case…:)GAONParticipant“He doesnt have the first clue as to how to govern”
Based on that, how would you rate Obama’s experience prior to running for Office?
I think at least running a business should be a better (or at least) qualification than being a community org….I do think Trump never thought he will make it to the WH. He only ran for the publicity etc..
Despite that, I still think he can make it work.GAONParticipantAs far as comparing. Allow me to just quote the Talmud and should answer all:
אין אפוטרופוס לעריות
August 24, 2017 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm in reply to: Let’s just agree to mythologize American history #1347000GAONParticipant“The Shulchan Aruch paskens, Halacha l’maaisa, even today you can purchase an Eved Knani.
The very same SU paskens Dinei deMalchusa Dinei, At the times of the Shulchan Aruch slavery was still an accepted practice.GAONParticipantUbiquitin,
Whilst I’m no expert in Civil War history, one thing is certain, the info you (and many others) have — based on your conclusions and confusion – are all via the one-sided media version, from the likes of CNN. Or even if from History writings, and, as the Southerners call it the “Yankee version”. Many books and research have been written on the very core of the subject and is far from the scope of YWN comment to elaborate.Basically, you should ask yourself/research the following before you decide that a) all confederates are “traitors”. b) The Civil war was ALL about slavery etc.
1) What are the constitutional terms of State rights?
2) What is the law and procedures regarding Headstones and burial for Confederate soldiers? (Did they receive the same honor treatments as reg. Union US soldiers)
3) What is the law regarding pensions – did Confederate soldiers receive any USA pensions, as all soldiers receive? (Hint: US Public Law 85-425 sec 410)
If any of the two is yes, then outright “treason” couldn’t have been committed.
4) Was anyone (Jefferson Davis?) prosecuted for “treason” after the civil war (and if yes, by which law/account. Furthermore, search: ruling of US Supreme Court Chief Justice Salmon Chase)?
5) Was slavery a constitutional right? i.e. PRIOR to the 13th Amendment.
5) And lastly and mainly, does Secession = treason or altogether legal?
Hint – search “US Supreme Court Chief Justice Salmon Chase” ruling.What are our constitutional rights, if let’s say, the Feds decides to take away our rights e.g. freedom of religion? Can some states decide to secede or fight the Feds? Will they be considered “traitors”?
Note, whatever might be the conclusion of the above does not really matter, it surely indicates that the matter is far from simple fact as the left media has portrayed it, to the extent that fellow commentators are ‘wondering’ why and how statutes are honored.
There is a saying “history is written by the conquer” however, this is rather simply by the ignorant masses, who obtain their history via 5 min clips and media headlines .GAONParticipant“Recent statue removing has nothing to do with trying to eradicate discrimination ”
Obviously. IT is symbolic of course it doesn’t actualy eradicate racisim.”It all depends from which perspective you are coming from (as below)
“its simply a … Anti-American act ”
Lol. ISnt supporting the confederacy the utmost “Anti-American act”There is quiet a difference between “supporting the confederacy” and the ‘people’ of the confederacy. Half of Americans who helped build this country were on the south. After the war they were still Americans and, generals like Lee were their leaders.
“who still can’t take the defeat by the rednecks. ”
You need to brush up on your history. The rednecks lost the civil war”Rednecks defeat as of the recent election…as you know what I meant.
Think about it — why NOW?
” Some of these statues are over hundred years old.”
that should read “few”The point is, they are part of American history and they were leaders of the south, and were not erected for the sake of “racism”, these “few” indicate that.
Fact – slavery (unfortunately!) at the time was considered the culturally norm — George Washington had slaves and so did Jefferson and so is the constitution ‘racist’. It was time for change and many opposed it, including many slaves from the south.
Every president and leader at one point and until recent had some elements of “racism”, let it be against the “poor white” Irish, women etc., American Civil rights was an uphill battle and long process, which progressed with the time.
Are we going to take down Mt Rushmore and every leader until recent?
Are we going to ban all studies from anyone who ever supported slavery (e.g. Aristotle)?
You have to know how to differentiate between real hate and what was simply a cultural issue.
The latest is just a result of a Leftist agenda of Anti-Nationalism, Pro-globalization, Anti-Religion, Anti-Right etc.GAONParticipantThe answer can be found two thousand yrs ago:
אדם רוצה בקב שלוGAONParticipant” I’d say that the difference is that lunar eclipses are a lot more common”
If siman Ra is a reason not, than there sure is a diff as a Lunar is a siman ra le’Yisrael whereas a solar is not.GAONParticipantI can’t believe how people are so carried away with what is really happening. Recent statue removing has nothing to do with trying to eradicate discrimination or enabling better lives for any of the victims; its simply a Leftist Anti-American act by Liberals and spoiled college kids who still can’t take the defeat by the rednecks. Nothing more to it. On top of that, once it has become the”in-thing”, you have every politician trying to achieve his fifteen minute fame. It has become the same as Trump bashing. Some of these statues are over hundred years old. Only ignorant masses can buy into that “racist statue” cry. Anyone with a little sense of history can tell you its just politics at its best.
GAONParticipantUbiq..
Regarding predictably and siman ra, I recall the Maharal in Be’er haGolah dealing with that issue.August 14, 2017 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1338332GAONParticipantJoseph , I am sure I’m not the first one to tell it to you, you live in a different world than all of us. While I agree to some extent, to the concept of teaching in the very same mesorah we have been thought for the past hundreds of years, but to say Yiddish is “international” you are obviously living 40 yrs ago, nowadays even in Israel and Jerusalem, only a hand full of people speak Yiddish. Try getting around with Yiddish in Bnei Brak, or even most Haredi neighborhoods in Jerusalem. Yiddish is unfortunately a dying language, that only some Chasidim are speaking.
GAONParticipantToras – “Why would somebody ever be מוסר נפש to go to the Kosel? That wouldn’t be permitted. Which Rishonim are you referring to?”
See Ramban in the Kesavim D’rush Rosh haShana (I think at the end), where he clearly writes what he went through to go to EY.
July 23, 2017 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm in reply to: ANOTHER shocking LETTER published IN the VOICE of LAKEWOOD #1324201GAONParticipantMama – all I can say after reading your last post, as a parent, my heart goes out for you, having to witness and see all that done to your child. I sure give you the credit of getting the courage and doing all that needed to be done, and I hope this was a lesson that won’t repeat itself there
July 23, 2017 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm in reply to: ANOTHER shocking LETTER published IN the VOICE of LAKEWOOD #1324200GAONParticipantJoseph – what should be done”, that is precisely what these so-called mechanchim are paid for i.e to KNOW how to and to be on top of such situations, not to brush it off and dismissing it as “boys being boys” situation. They are in the field and they better know, what actions are to be done, otherwise you do not belong being in that field. Period! Joseph thank G-D you are not a mechanchim.
GAONParticipantInspirational indeed!!
July 23, 2017 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm in reply to: Minhag for a Chosson to move to wife’s city #1324185GAONParticipantIf you would look into the various old Tenayims, you will see that generally they lived in the in-laws house, for the first two or three years. Don’t forget, they married at very young age, age sixteen was normal, where the daughter probably still needed the mother’s help. Otherwise, I don’t think there is any source. Though there is a source that the first pesach was spent by in laws, in pesachim, regarding Korban pesach.
GAONParticipantZahava – you are absolutely correct, that in general most these OTD kids are not even at a level to say or proclaim any of the above. We were discussing the ones that do claim they “do not believe” as a reason.
GAONParticipantRebYid, with all due respect, that is exactly my point, NOT believing in these cases are usually something you philosophied and came to a conlusion about, i.e. let it be scientifically, philosophically, etc. Not just being in a rebellious mode, and saying so. You really have to believe so in essense.
Though you can argue about the term of being agnostic.GAONParticipantA wise person once told me, he was having a kid that was potentially at risk, he wasn’t the learning type etc and he was afraid of the future, the first thing he did was find a way how to connect to the kid, he knew the kid likes sports so he started following sports through out, he followed almost every game, commentators etc. And kept on discussing, debating etc every days game, and like this was able to keep up with him on other aspects as well.
GAONParticipantRebYid – regarding theist or not, in these particular cases you are incorrect, all of these kids were raised in an religious atmosphere, and as they say “there are no Athiests in foxholes very much applies to them, it is more of a matter as Rav Chaim of Brisk used to say, on those OTD maskilim that proclaimed themselves as “non-believers” due to having “questions” on faith, that these are NOT questions, rather, תירוצים” excuses. Meaning, they chose an easier lifestyle and and order to justify it they claim they “don’t believe”!
July 20, 2017 7:18 am at 7:18 am in reply to: SHOCKING Letter Published In Lakewood Newspaper ⚡📰 #1321677GAONParticipantJoseph – of course there are exceptions, but for some reason the “exceptions” in Lakewood happen to be the other way around, i.e. the child NOT being expelled despite not being in the total box etc.
This behaviour is obviously the norm (parents threatening), as it was publicly addressed by Shlomo Rechnitz there, and is all about self ego/geiveh – not your mentioned issue.
GAONParticipantNow regarding the lost souls there, I think someone from the far right, someone these people would respect, even a half-normal Neturei Karta should go in there and start guiding these people. This is Pekuach nefoshos!
GAONParticipantMammele – whilst I would hate to agree with Joseph lol.. Parts of the Tekanah is surely made up as I have posted on the news site.
While they might have acted so, but you have to be naive to believe someone would put it on paper.GAONParticipantIn any case, you need real live guidance. Don’t you have anyone to contact from the Sem that knows you and can give proper guidance.
GAONParticipantRather go back and get married after. You need to stabilize yourself before you marry.
The “real” you is the one and the times you were happy and content with. All the rest is a matter of overcoming your difficulties. We all go through strugles but the main objective is to be able to get up again and overcome the falls.GAONParticipantDaas –
“My posek allowed it using irui kli sheini (which has a din of kli shlishi), but doesn’t allow tea bags in a kli shlishi. I didn’t ask him about pour over coffee, but I assume it’s the same as tea.”
It sure is the same or even worse, as the reason your Posek doesn’t allow a Kli Shlishi that he is chosesh to the Aruch haShulchan that upholds that the process of tea even in a Kil Shlishi is considered “gmar’ bishul or Bishul Kal” that these fall into a different category that even a Kli Shilishi is considered bishul. Whereas, instant coffee is already “cooked” processed.
However, the Igros Moshe strongly disagrees with the Aruch HaShulchan; a) that nowhere do we find that a Kli Shlishi can be considered any way as bishul. b) Also, being that even if you leave tea in cold water it will process, so its not the “cooking”…
Now, i’m not sure about ground coffee, as coffee if left in a “cold brew” for many hours it will brew as well..GAONParticipantDass – you might have avoided the issue of ‘bishul’ but there is no way to go around the issue of ‘borer ‘ by using a filter, as its exact as described in the Talmud Shabbos perek Tolin…
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