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September 17, 2017 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm in reply to: A Letter YWN Received On Sept 17 – Can Anyone Help Her? #1366000GadolhadorahParticipant
To Gaon:
R’ Kanievsky, Z”TL, was wise enough to avoid putting down someone who was clearly in a moment of emotional distress and came to him for help. Clearly, the Editor’s request was for some simple and meaningful d’var torah tha tmight be invoked by this well meaning Zaidah that would inspire her granddaughter at this simcha (probably at a MO shul) but not offend. There are multiple references in Torah and Tehillim to the concept of tsa’ar ba’alei chayim that might be woven together to provide a short d’var torah that is appropriate for the occasion (w/o getting into a broader discussion about bat mitzvahs, what and who should participate etc).September 16, 2017 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm in reply to: Lakewood’s Traffic becoming unbearable, any solutions? #1364827GadolhadorahParticipantMorahmon….machatonim said it was .only 17 hours from West Palm to Atlanta last week (and try finding a restaurant with chassideshe hashgacha on the Florida-Georgia border near I-75
September 16, 2017 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm in reply to: Why do many chasidish yeshivas start on rosh chodesh cheshvan #1364822GadolhadorahParticipantGeoridie: Not sure I understand….aren’t their rabbonin at the Yeshiva? Do you mean the out-of-town bochrim go home to their families for the yamim noraim?
September 15, 2017 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm in reply to: Why do many chasidish yeshivas start on rosh chodesh cheshvan #1364392GadolhadorahParticipantActually, that is NOT the case but its a good idea since the Zman after the summer in Tishrei is so broken up by the yom tovim AND the extra days before and after the actual days of the chag that those who work in yeshivos seem to require to prepare and get unprepared. Its actually costly to open the facilities and dormitories for a day or two and then close and then open again.
September 15, 2017 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm in reply to: Lakewood’s Traffic becoming unbearable, any solutions? #1364280GadolhadorahParticipantFor a change I agree with Zahavasdad. Many cities are taking steps to make it easier to use bikes for short trips in lieu of auto traffic which results in air pollution, noise and congestion. In Willy, there are two bike shops that cater to the frum tzibur. Biking is a healthy option for trips to shul, market, work and mikvah. Women can use bikes for light shopping trips to the market, riding with the kids to school (if they are too close for school bus service) or just visiting friends. Yiddeshe mosdos can help by putting in bike racks, allowing public rental bikes to set up on the sidewalks out front and not fighting bike lanes because c’v they might see some “hipster” riding by from outside the neighborhood. Bikes are a win win option for yidden and goyim alike. I’m not that familiar with Lakewood’s traffic issues but I’m certain that BMG can take a lead role in promoting bike usage among their bochurim around the campus and local shuls and commercial establishments.
September 14, 2017 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1364092GadolhadorahParticipant770….what is the yichus derived from speaking the “real ole Yiddish” from Russia as distinct from any other form of Yiddish (other than hydbrid “Yinglish”)…..
September 14, 2017 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363618GadolhadorahParticipantPutting aside common sense, which is the norm on some of these threads, a yid walking into a new shul typically doesn’t first search for a seating chart hidden behind the door or wait for the gabbai sheini or shlishi (who was supposed to be standing by the entry door and instead is schmoozing with his chevrah by the bimah) to point him to a seat not covered by the local minhagim governing makom kavua. My experience is that 9 of 10 times, you walk in and absent a simcha where you search out the family, you take whatever seat appears empty.
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September 14, 2017 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1363566GadolhadorahParticipantTo Mammele….I was seeking to be a bit over the top in response to someone suggesting that restricting the language skills of children to Yiddish only is a good idea because it might help reduce or prevent assimilation. I personally find that abusive to the child in that it makes it more likely that such child will have major difficulties when he seeks to marry and support a family and discovers his inability to communicate renders him dysfunctional for most professions and careers and unable to earn a good parnassah to support himself and his family.
September 13, 2017 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363193GadolhadorahParticipantIts a real stretch to extend the inyan of chazaka in baba basra as cited above to stand for the notion of makom kavua and a license to demand someone who comes to daven change seats if there has been no financial commitment in relation thereto. If a shul wants to “reserve” particular seats for certain individuals, they should be clearly marked as such. In most shtieblach, one would logically conclude that a chair and shtender in the corner by the bimah piled high with seforim “is reserved” for the rav, gabbai, etc….not so for a unmarked seat in a row of otherwise identical seats in a shul with many rows of seats
September 13, 2017 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1363156GadolhadorahParticipantJoe…
If you want a really state-of-the art and cost-effective “anti-assimilation tool”, simply move all yidden into some underground cave…perhaps the facility at Yucca Mountain in Nevada on which we’ve already spent 22 billion dollars as a nuclear waste repository.
September 13, 2017 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363050GadolhadorahParticipantTo Ubiquitin….yes, I understand the concept of chazaka but don’t know of where chazal bring down that x times provides such ownership rights….presumably, it varies from shul to shul but my point is that whatever the number, a more rational approach in a large shul, as many have posted, is open seating, especially after a certain point in the davening whether it be baruch she’amar, nishmas or borchu..
September 13, 2017 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1363021GadolhadorahParticipantTo Meno: I’m not talking about where someone has “paid” for their seat, either in perpetuity (aka brass plaque with his or deceased’s name) or where one buys a ticket for the yamim noraim for a specific seat. My reference is to an otherwise large shul where the olam has no financial nexus with a particular seat but some otherwise ehrliche yidden insist they have some sort of property rights based on the equivalent of “adverse possession” (aka if I sit there x times, its “mine”).
September 13, 2017 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm in reply to: Makom Kavua – Being Kicked out of your Seat #1362887GadolhadorahParticipantThe concept of a “makom kavuah” or having “chazakah” over a particular seat in shul is an anachronism except perhaps for seats reserved for the rav, gabboim, elderly, disabled or small shtieblach where the seating is sort of random and movable chairs are paired with a shtender where one stores his tallis/teffiin/seforim. Otherwise, in a moderately or larger sized shul with fixed seating, it should be “open seating” period, without regard to whether certain baal habtim consider themselves to be sufficiently important to warrant having seats permanently dedicated to them regardless of whether they are in shul when davening starts. There is no more or less important chair from the perspective of the Ebeshter who could care less where you are seated and is more concerned with your kavanah, even if you are hanging from a chandelier or mistakenly seated in the varbeshe section.
GadolhadorahParticipantIf LB lives in a detached home, very easy and inexpensive these days to have a back up generator installed that runs of natural gas with transfer switch that covers most circuits in the home except for AC. Obviously not an option in an apartment or condo bldg. but certainly you can have extra batteries or powerpaks for your cellphone and computer to keep them running during power outages. Cell towers have battery backup for a day or two at most so no tower, no call, even with your backup batter on the phone. Satellite phones work fine in a blackout but are still a bit pricey unless you have emergency communication needs. As for food, lots of options now for freeze-dried kosher meals like we use on camping trips etc (including several with good chassideshe hashgacha). If all else fails, cans of tuna fish work great if starvation is imminent.
September 12, 2017 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1362447GadolhadorahParticipantThink of all the time wasted (aka bitul torah) by yidden attempting to learn a dead or dying language for “ole times sake”….Its fine for those who are already fluent in English or Hebrew who find comfort in learning in the style of the their parents/grandparents but only contributes to dysfunction if kids are forced to live in a “Yiddish -only” world at school and at home.
GadolhadorahParticipantOnce or twice a month, there are a bunch of guys who run around Crown Heights near 770 waving yellow flags screaming various nigunim about Rebbe Moishiach etc. At first, they got some attention but over the years they have morphed into the fabric of background noise that goes with the turf….Their comical appearances do not have us fixated on looking for some heilege-looking yid riding a white donkey coming up Beford Ave making a right turn on Eastern Parkway….The vast majority of Yidden truly believe that we don’t warrant z’man moishiach until we have overcome the sinas chinam and demonstrated the achdus for all of klal yisroel that arguably is the reason for the churban habayis galus in the first place
September 12, 2017 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm in reply to: Inappropriate intermingling at Chasunas ππΈπ·πΊ #1361919GadolhadorahParticipantSome of you treat the “yetzer horah” as some type of living, active and uncontrollable force in our lives separate from our mainstream existence. Yes, we have urges of all types, both spiritual and physical, that may not be good for us but we also have the strength and discipline in most cases to push back on most, albeit not all, of these urges. We know not to start eating ice cream directly from the quart container, lest we end up eating most of it. Rather we dole out a small portion in a cup to discipline our culinary gluttony. Likewise, we don’t willingly set ourselves up to be alone with a woman not our wives on a business trip to avoid both inappropriate business outcomes, but more importantly, our spiritual geder that shields us from what some might call the siren song of our yetzer horah. Do we always show such strength….obviously not but most of us seem to have won the large percentage of these battles w/o making the looming shadow of a yetzer horah the overriding focus of our daily lives.
September 12, 2017 10:24 am at 10:24 am in reply to: I'll put ur name by the satmar rebbes tzion #1361673GadolhadorahParticipantBesides….if the internet itself is assur, kal vachomer, wouldn’t any supplication for a yeshuah at the tzion communicated and/or facilitated by internet messages and email. not be looked upon favorably??
September 12, 2017 10:24 am at 10:24 am in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1361669GadolhadorahParticipantChaver….many schools in EY teach Arabic given that 20 percent of the population speaks that language; likewise, a large percentage of Palestinians speak Hebrew
There are several Jewish day schools in the U.S. that offer introductory Arabic as an AP option…probably not in any of the yeshivos or kollels
September 12, 2017 10:14 am at 10:14 am in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1361647GadolhadorahParticipantAt this point its clear that anyone who wants to function in society and assure his/her children are able to earn a parnassah will have taken steps to learn either English or Ivrit (depending on where they live) and acquire any Yiddish skills as a function of need to access limudei torah in the context of where/how they are learning. Those who want to suspend time, live in a cave and not have any material societal access can continue with Yiddish…no one else will care and they will ultimately atrophy.
September 11, 2017 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm in reply to: I'll put ur name by the satmar rebbes tzion #1361461GadolhadorahParticipantDoes anyone doubt that if you daven with real kavanah and seek a yeshuah in the name of the the Satmar Rebbe, Z’TL, the Ebeshter would respond with a least as much rachmanis as would be the case if some third party left an email message by the tzion
GadolhadorahParticipantThese natural events are not happening any more or less frequently than on a long-term basis. Something truly unprecedented (e.g. achdus between the Satmar Aronites and Zalmonites) is more likely to get the attention of 770 EP.
September 11, 2017 11:48 am at 11:48 am in reply to: Traditional clothing choices amongst religious Ashkenazy and Sephardic Jewry #1360451GadolhadorahParticipantNot sure what is meant by “traditional ashkenazay clothing”….most yeshivish dress today is best described as loosely fitting dark business suit, white shirt sans tie with black borsalino/fedora hat. Add the tie and a bit of tailoring to the suit and you couldn’t distinguish a kollel yungerleit from an investment banker. In either event, nothing really that are readily traced to the alte heim or czarist Russia or wherever….sephardeshe and chassidish lvush cut a more striking sartorial statement
September 11, 2017 11:47 am at 11:47 am in reply to: “Marriage counseling hastens divorce far more often than it saves a marriage” #1360408GadolhadorahParticipantRead the excellent article in yesterday’s NY Times addressing the growing number for frum Yiddeshe women coming forward to report domestic abuse. There is more willingness among rabbonim and askanim in the frum tzibur to affirmatively address these issues, provide access to resources and counseling and when needed, assist in obtaining a divorce as an option where the women are provided a needed support network for life afterwards. This is not the only reason for the changing trends, but certainly a factor.
September 11, 2017 10:30 am at 10:30 am in reply to: The Casualties of Yiddish in Litvishe Chadorim #1360362GadolhadorahParticipantMore and more Litvish schools are teaching in English/Ivrit while retaining Yiddish in the upper grades for Talmud study etc…..need for basic English fluency for whatever secular studies they offer and job skills afterwards. Not sure that most take seriously the ludicrous notion that speaking Hebrew makes one a “Tzionista”. Does speaking some Arabic (as do a larger percentage of students in EY) make them Islamic Terrorists?
GadolhadorahParticipantThe Mods seem to be doing a good job keeping us on the straight and narrow path….if you’ve ever asked for directions in EY, you probably heard some variation of “yashar, yashar”….same here
September 7, 2017 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm in reply to: Is It Just Me, Or Are Frum Homes Becoming ‘Colder’ And More Like Offices? #1357905GadolhadorahParticipantTo CT Lawyer:
Yasher koach on an extremely thoughtful and analytic response. Very helpful in understanding the transition from first-generation (post WWII) immigrants to the Millenial look…GadolhadorahParticipantFroggie..your welcome…there is nothing that the management of the IEA (aka chevrat chashmal would like better than to be able to automate the entire system. For many years, it was the most bloated government-owned business with the Histadrut insisting on many unnecessary employees. Its gotten a lot more streamlined in recent years.
GadolhadorahParticipantFroggie….
Again, not sure what the relevance of a natural gas pipeline system is to an electric power network. Whereas gas is effectively “stored” in a pipeline under pressure and can be released as necessary with variations in demand, electricity is unlike any other utility service since it must be supplied real time and generation must be balanced with load on 24×7 basis. Further, the IEA grid is has few interconnections with Jordan or Egypt unlike other countries that can import power when shortages arise. As noted earlier, AGC telemetry and advanced control algorithms have substantially reduced the need for human intervention but some amount of real time human intervention will be needed for the indefinite future. Computers cannot perform certain tasks which are needed for real time monitoring of system thermal stability and voltage support. If you still don’t understand, try reading some background material on electric systems on Wikopedia or other non-technical sites and it may become more intuitive. While individual homes can go “off the grid” and there are some “micro-grids” in Tel Aviv and Haifa, those account for less than 2 or 3 percent of total end-user demand. Individuals who worry about chilul Shabbos and illegally install their own generators in densely populated urban areas are endangering large numbers of people and their mindless behavior is beyond understanding. Fortunately, these individuals are being tracked down and prosecuted by the authorities and several have been sentenced to prison. If you don’t like the IEA services or don’t trust their assurances in reference to Shabbos, simply open the circuit breaker on your electric panel and have a guten Shabbos by candelight with the windows open.
GadolhadorahParticipantFroggie…not sure If you are joking or serious about “buying better generators”……IEA operates several large coal-fired baseload plants using relatively modern steam boilers and turbine generators….they’ve also added a number of new natural gas-fired combustion turbines. ( I think they’ve shut down most of the old oil-fired steam units but may keep them on standby for emergency use). By definition, these generating units are cycled to follow load (less so for the baseload coal, more so for the gas fired units and peakers). All of these units have AGC dispatch via computer telemetry but still require a small team in the dispatch center 24×7. No utility in the world is completely automated. IEA also buys power from about a dozen independent generators with varying size units, some which may not require 24×7 staffing if they are linked via AGC and have the appropriate telemetry. In addition to the Staffing at the plants who monitor boiler feed and turbine performance, IEA also has several hundred line crews available 24×7 in case of any wire outages.
GadolhadorahParticipantAdherence to “rules” imposed by a private yeshiva/BY/kollel/pre-school etc. shouldn’t be a question…they are entitled under both secular law and halacha to impose such rules as long as they do not involve physical or emotional harm to children. (I’m putting aside the few schools that still claim a right to use corporal punishment which fortunately such dysfunctional practices are largely gone from Yiddeshe mosdos). The more prevalent issue in many schools are students who question or challenge the instructional naarative they receive from teachers. Many extraordinarily bright kids, some informed by their own internet research (where schools allow for such access) are getting suspended for speaking up in class, even when done so respectfully. Many kids don’t seem to have basic derech eretz and offer their “counterpoint” without being disruptive but often the smartest kids are most prone to be an azaz panim and disrupt the flow on instruction. Parents, teachers and school administrators need to get more involved with these types of issues and develop policies setting out boundary conditions for “intellectual disruption” on both limudei torah and secular subjects.
GadolhadorahParticipantThe chevrat chashmal public affairs officers have repeatedly said that they staff their dispatch centers on Shabbos with non-Jewish engineers etc. and only call in their Jewish employees in emergency conditions. Some take them at their word…some prefer to have their own personal generators, notwithstanding the risk that improperly located and installed units pose major safety concerns.
GadolhadorahParticipantA good start would be for all the MEN constantly whining about the “tzinius crisis’ to step back this chodesh Elul and look in a good mirror and focus their musar internally. I can’t believe we have the most erliche male population among yidden today since dor ha’midbor and they have exhausted all opportunities for self-improvement in their emunah and hashkafah and thus the only issue left for them to focus their lives on is for women to become more machmir in their observance of tzinius.
September 6, 2017 2:13 am at 2:13 am in reply to: Is It Just Me, Or Are Frum Homes Becoming ‘Colder’ And More Like Offices? #1356257GadolhadorahParticipantHave you noticed that virtually all the photo essays of one gadol or chashuve Rav visting another seem to take place in the same rooms the “old fashioned” look and lots of “stuff” like the original post in this thread described….Maybe there is some chiyuv to keep the “alte heim” look…
September 6, 2017 2:13 am at 2:13 am in reply to: Inappropriate intermingling at Chasunas ππΈπ·πΊ #1356256GadolhadorahParticipantWho or what is “Bloris”???
September 5, 2017 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm in reply to: Is It Just Me, Or Are Frum Homes Becoming ‘Colder’ And More Like Offices? #1355345GadolhadorahParticipantThe trend is real and long-overdue. Younger families like the clean and uncluttered look without all the dust collectors their parents managed to accumulate. They are less attached to “stuff” and don’t have the guilt about throwing out junk from the parents’ and grandparents’ homes they have no use for and had no real market value. Photos are available on your phone or PDA and only a few warrant being framed. They are considerably more discriminating in what items have emotional attachments and everything else is expendable. No more plastic slip covers on the couch, no more piles of seforim that will never be opened, etc. etc. With lots of kids, you have enough junk without accumulating more from prior generations.
September 5, 2017 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm in reply to: Inappropriate intermingling at Chasunas ππΈπ·πΊ #1355088GadolhadorahParticipantJoseph….are you insinuating that Rav Tendler, shlita, was somehow not aware of your chumrah or simply felt in a yekeshe mood the day of his chassanah?? I doubt either he or R’ Moshe, ZTL, would have not been aware of what halacha required
September 5, 2017 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm in reply to: High heeled shoes are the reason for global warming π π€π§π§ #1355033GadolhadorahParticipantSo the First Lady’s wearing of super high heels on her flight down to Texas last week to show empathy to the victims of the flooding (which some say was worsened by global warming) was a deliberate effort to say, “and in accordance with my husband’s denial of global warming, I’m doing by best to make the future flooding even worse)
September 5, 2017 11:47 am at 11:47 am in reply to: Inappropriate intermingling at Chasunas ππΈπ·πΊ #1354929GadolhadorahParticipantThe story is told about Rav Apron Soloveichik Z’tl, who responded to a shaylah from either his gabbai (or some talmidim) who said he/they had gone to a friend’s wedding and was surprised that there was mixed seating for the singles attending and what should he/they do in the future when those circumstances arose.. According to the telling of this story, the Rav sighed, and said something along the lines of, “Oy vey – how do you think I met Ella?” I’ve heard numerous variations of similar stories attributed to various rabbonim who were both makil and machmir on this issue with the R’ Breuer/Yekeshe practice at one end of the spectrum and the more mainstream Chassidus at the other end….
September 5, 2017 11:06 am at 11:06 am in reply to: Inappropriate intermingling at Chasunas ππΈπ·πΊ #1354874GadolhadorahParticipantDa’Moshe had an excellent point regarding the underlying assumption of this thread that any comingling of the genders at chassanahs will lead pritzus, raise issues of tzinius and giluye arroyos etc. He notes that
Rav Yosef Breuer, ztz”l (and some other chashuve rabbonim not all of whom were Yekeshe) strongly opposed to the practice of separate seating at chassanahs. He correctly noted this was a relatively new Americaneshe minhag and was not the practice in the alte heim where perhaps except for certain chassideshe courts mixed seating had been the general practice in Eastern Europe. The Yekkishe practice. was to have four married couples to a circular table (withno man sat next to another’s wife and with singles deliberately mixed so that young men and women could socialize with each other.Given that the fundamental biological, hormonal and yetzer harah DNA cannot have changed so quickly, If it was good enough for the Alte Heim, why is it not good enough for chashuve askanim like Joe??
September 5, 2017 9:39 am at 9:39 am in reply to: Ok…About The Whole Hair Measuring Thing…Please Help Me Understand π§πβοΈ #1354711GadolhadorahParticipantSo long hair is the underlying cause of the shidduch crisis in Lakewood?? I would think the real cause is the absence of “real’ beards” among the BMG crowd (aka facial hair cut too short)
GadolhadorahParticipantThe biggest sakanah with so called “personal” Shabbos generators in frum neighborhoods is that many (not all) are hooked up illegally without the required protective equipment that would prevent backfeed into the grid and this puts the lives of chevrat chashmal workers at risk. They are also fueled by propane or diesel which must be stored on site which creates even greater fire hazards. There have been deaths and injuries reported as a direct result of these illegal generators.
GadolhadorahParticipantSome use the term in EY to refer to power that has generated without any yidden working at the powerplant on Shabbos or in any way indirectly resulting in chilul Shabbos for power consumed. Some areas of Meah Shearim etc. have their own “Shabbos generators”…
I’m sure there may be other meanings but this is one possibility.September 4, 2017 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm in reply to: Inappropriate intermingling at Chasunas ππΈπ·πΊ #1354549GadolhadorahParticipantFor a change, Joe has a good point….The vaad in each community should organize and recruit a special group of Chassanah Cops (modeled after the Iranian Revolution Guards) who would enforce the halachos of tzinius,ervah, nidah etc. and take all necessary steps to assure none of the pritzus Joe describes would ever happen. They would operate under the supervision of the Rav Hamachshir for that simcha hall and if all else fails, announce that they will cancel the Viennase Table and Deserts undless everyone immediately moves back to their side of the mechitza.
GadolhadorahParticipantMotcha11:
I don’t know where you get the mesorah that the Rebbe, Z’TL, taught his chassidim that all yidden, Litvish, misnagdim, other chassidus etc. will magically become Lubavitch at the time of z’man moishiach. Somehow the visuals of the BMG crowd in Lakewood and Skver from monsey joining hands on Eastern Parkway and waving yellow flags saying “Welcome Rebbe Moishiach” are a bit difficult to internalize.GadolhadorahParticipantThe movie actually shows how the father desperately wants to raise his young son alone after his wife dies but his rav feels the son should be raised by his brother-in-law’s family until the father, who works long hours at a heimeshe grocery, remarries and has someone at home for the child. Its a feel good movie, nothing at all that would raise concerns about pritzus, tzinius, or any visual kafirah.
GadolhadorahParticipantwe saw it several weeks ago and enjoyed it. If you like this genre of “gritty” message movie (aka widower father’s love for his son v. rebbe’s insistence on need for a “stable family life” etc.) its reasonably well done and edited down to a short length. I’m not sure what the “mamash soton” element of this movie as its quite harmless….
August 31, 2017 12:58 am at 12:58 am in reply to: The Age Gap and the Musical Chairs of Shidduchimπ΄πΆπ»πΆπΊπΊ #1351899GadolhadorahParticipantThere are some young women within the frum community who may simply decide for whatever reason to remain single. Yes, the are the exception and yes, some consider that contrary to what should be the singular focus of a bass yisroel but having made that decision, we should not make them feel marginalized. They should be accepted within the tzibur w/o our being judgmental.
GadolhadorahParticipantMy presumption is that the majority of readers do not conduct their daily lives exclusively in certain neighborhoods of Willy, BP, Lakewood and Monsey. The point I made very early in this thread is that there is more widespread legal and social acceptance of nursing in public areas with varying degrees of attention to “modesty” (I won’t use the term tzinius to avoid confusion) among young women outside of the frum tzibur. Yidden who travel will have to accommodate these diverse visual encounters since they are only going to increase. To my knowledge, few (if any) of the 48 states that have legalized nursing in public specify limits on the mother’s exposure.
GadolhadorahParticipantChaverim kol Yisroel??
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