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B’H, there are many “Orthodox Ghettos” in the U.S. to escape TO….and they provide considerably higher quality and healthier “environments” than the congested, noisy and polluted environments of the older heimeshe neighborhoods R’ Miller was probably referring to. With frum shuls, yeshivos. mikvahs and kosher markets sprouting in multiple states from coast to coast, frum yidden now have many choices which are considerably more affordable for younger families and also have high quality environmental attributes as well.
I can’t wait to hear the specific reason that will be cited by some of regular CR neviim who communicate directly with the Ebeshter as to the reasons for the Northern California wildfires….is it the growing acceptance of toevah marriage that originated in nearby San Francisco, the growth of the internet facilitated by Silicon Valley to the south or perhaps some yidden in Sonoma County who davened with too much kavanah when they said tefillas geshem last year on Shemini Atzeres (fire experts attribute the rapid spread of the fire to the high winds but especially the unusually heavy growth of underbrush due to the end of California’s drought and heavy rains in the past year).
Many yidden hire goyim to build their Succah for them and perhaps only drop a few branches of schach on the roof to be mekayem the mitzvah. Even then, I recall in masechet succos, we learn that as long as the schach was placed by the goy for the purpose of providing shade, the succah is kosher regardless of who placed it. While the Arizal and others argued that it is certainly preferable for one to personally involve himself in the building of the succah there were writings by Chacham Ovadia and other contemporary gedolim that affirmed the kashruth of a succah built 100 percent by goyim.
A kosher succah is a kosher succah…..is their an inyan of going back to through the construction process to determine who held the hammer and nailed which board, who might have steadied the ladder for the one holding the hammer and who threw the schach on to the roof over the boards which were hammered by someone for whom someone else held the ladder? Not to be too technical but if there are ways to squeeze the joy out of hidur mitzvah, some will recognize no extremes to find that opportunity….
To Joseph:
“Till what age does Chazal expect parents to discipline or have any “reins” on one’s children??”
There are various holdings among the achronim but in general, there is concensus that its until the z’man they move out of the basement and are no longer eligible for a dependent deduction for federal income tax purposes.
To Joe…good effort at trolling at trying to start a contemporary broigas….not everyone shares your monolithic and frequently contorted exposition of daas torah but it can always be counted upon for comic relief. If you noted, I congratulated Yekke for a great posting with which I mostly concur
To Yekke2…..yasher koach on a very enlightening and informative posting….short, clear and to the point of the thread. Thank you.
Turn around and follow the minhag of the Contrarianner Rebbe and do the hakofos counterclockwise…will immediately force a decision by those formerly behind you and now unquestionably obstructing yidden from their efforts to complete their hakofos. Alternatively, you can have one of your chevrah walk to the side and bang on the bimah shouting that the Kiddush club will be starting in 5 minutes in the sukkah. That should quickly clear out sufficient room for hakofos in whatever direction you wish to move. A gutten moed.
The best “parenting books” are written by millennial bochurim….they supposedly combine the best qualities of nevius and 20/20 hindsight into a new and more permissive parenting philosophy under which all of their actions as kids are both rational and consistent with a 21st century hashkafah
The Swedish meatballs at Ikea stores in much of the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states is ganz treifus…not chassideshe hashgacha, no Badatz hashgacha, no hashgacha period unless someone has convinced the Ebeshter to change his rules on what is or is not treifus…..Ikea offers “freebies’ as a function of the location and food traditions of local stores
To BB….sorry for imputing an unwanted gender change procedure on your screen name….my imaginary chazal was satirically channeling some unnamed yungerleit providing his best schmooze as to why parents should “chill out” when he is back home bein hazamanin…
To MW 13
I was never a big fan of the politicial commentary of R’ Ovadia , Z’TL but I never questioned his lamdus Nor would I imagine that R’ Kaplan thinks Chacham Ovadia wasn’t “bright” or has negative views of his shitos on a generic basis
Still unclear…understand that there is always a minyan on Shabbos and yom tovim…is there a DAILY shachris minyan year-round or just in the summer months
correction
daily minyan throughout the year or just on Shabbos??
Jakob
Contact the chabad house on Ocean Highway…they have minyanim on Shabbos (especially durinjg the summer and into the fall) but probably don’t have regular daily minyanim
to ballabuste….
Chazal bring down that having grown ups around exercising parental authority has been shown to be detrimental to spontaneity, development of an “individualized hashkafha” and an overall downer for bochurim looking to escape the rigor of heavy duty shteiging during bein hazmanim
To Baal Boose:
As Bill Clinton would say, it really depends on what you mean by “reasonable”….if your bochur is studying at a yeshiva in EY and is home for the yom tovim he can perhaps legitimately argue that he will get up for shachris sometime in the early afternoon to take advantage of the reverse time difference with chutz la’aretz
Most of the yiddeshe mosdos and media reinforce the Moed Mania by hyping special concerts, theme park trips and other “unshteiging” type events. I’m not making any value judgements and probably lean in the direction of thinking that 8 straight days of yom tovish observance would challenge the attention span and hashkafah of even the biggest masmidim…..
We’ve developed a minhag of carving faces in the esrog motzi yom tov and hanging out by the front door like the goyim do with their pumpkins…much more challenging given the smallrt scale…use a hobbyist wood carving knife…most difficult part is getting the payos likelike
If you go back, don’t get tempted by the gratis “Swedish meatballs”….the meat does not have a good chassideshe hashgacha…..the gravlax looks tempting but there is still the inyan of whether the salmon were inspected for tiny worms…However, the bottled water has a circle “M”.
Usually, the editors are accused of hating Satmar so I guess this is part of affirmative action
Sort of ironic that many of of today’s generation of future talmeidi chachamim grow up thinking about Moed succos in terms of trips to one of several theme parks and partying at all-nighj simchas beis hashoeivas more akin to Purim Sheini. The blurry line between “kodesh” and “chol” seems to have morphed in the wrong direction.
To Joe:
Sure….the gabbi sheini stands by the entrance to the ezras nashim with a list provided by the mikvah lady and checks off each woman before allowing her to partiicpateTo Little Know….
They didn’t invent “bein hazmanim” until long after the time of the mishna….There are a number of MO shuls where women dance with the torahs on simchas torah in the varbeshe section of the shul with a mechitza blocking the view. Maybe we should start a website listing those shuls just as we have websites for everything else ….as to why a woman would want to show her ahavas hashem through dancing with a torah, ask a woman…..
Yekke 2 asks: “Explain, in your own words, what you feel the function of bein hazmanim is?….”
For those who don’t take the admonition of “V’hagesa bo yomam valaylah” literally, it means the reality that there are yom tovim, which require preparation time everyone from the Rosh Yeshiva, the many rabbonim who may be magid shiiur down to the workers in the chadar ochel to the janitors who sweep the floors in the beis medrash. These same people have families and require time off for rest and vacation The reality is that even the most dedicated masmid needs a break. You cannot shteig 24x7x365.
The general inyan that one should “hasten” to perform a mitzvah would suggest davening earlier and not waiting for the latest possible minyan for a bochur to daven….normally, at the yeshiva, he could roll out of bed and be in the beis medrash for davening within a few minutes…at home during bein hazmanim, that time line is obviously longer. As a practical matter, unless you live within a few blocks of a shul which has non-stop minyaniim right up until z’man, this entire thread may be irrelevant
Perhaps there is some special “dispensation” for the yeshiva talmidim from the mashgiach ruchani to sleep in on Friday AM if one were out late Thursday night attending a seudas mitzvah (aka Chulent night at the local chassidish place) …my recollection is that they had a hard time getting a minyan on Friday am at the YU dorms….maybe not an issue for BMG in Lakewood (or perhaps its just lousy NJ chulent)
Rav Gavornlik argued that when possible (such as during bein hazmanin) when they have the flexibility, yungerleit should consider davening vasikim to show the discipline…sleeping late to the last minute before z’man shachris is not respectful and more attuned to a college kid on spring break partying late and sleeping in the next AM with a hangover.
To I Know Little
You say there is lots of other stuff worse than guns than kids should know about. Perhaps you have a different philosophy but some of us believe its better to empower our kids with age appropriate information on subjects we wish they never would encounter but know they will . As you correctly note, kids today cannot be kept locked away in some “safe room” with no exposure to all sorts of pritzus and painful images. Do you think its worse for them to see fundraising pashkavelim with pictures of starving children or elderly begging for tzadakah outside of the shul or beis medrash than girls dressed in less than tziniusdik outfits on 13th avenue on a warm Shabbos afternoon or a gay couple holding hands on Eastern Parkway? Giving them the information how daas torah deals with these “inappropriate” issues and visuals is much better than keeping than in the dark and forcing them to confront these issues with no understanding or prior discussion.
Perhaps you should ask why decorating the sucah or ANY other task not specifically mandated under Halacha is defined by gender? Whoever in the family (husband, wife or both) who have the time and requisite skills to perform a task is the one who should do it….too many household tasks get stereotyped by gender unnecessarily. Men are perfectly capable of doing the laundry, cooking for yom tom or toiveling new dishes. Women can build a sucah, buy seforim for the kids or help the kids with their homework, whether secular or limudei torah.
A 3 minute or 3 hour shiur/shmooz/dvar torah etc. is for the same purpose….to instruct and share daas torah with the listeners…..the same inyan can be addressed by magid shiur A versus magid shiur B in vastly different ways and levels of detail and repetition ….sometimes, what was expected to be a relatively brief 30-45 minute shiur can go on for an hour or two simply because the rav may have interim thoughts tangential to his main point that he wishes to share, the talmidim take him off on some tangent or he wishes to drill down into much greater detail to make the same point in different ways
Also, many shuls sadly now have armed security (typically off-duty police officers from a local jurisdictions). I’ve discovered that having these police stationed at shuls offers an opportunity for close (one on one) informal interaction with the daveners and their kids which typically does not arise in normal street situations.
Has anyone considered tofu and arugala salad for simchas torah? much healthier then either chulent or cholopchis (aka prakas)….
Unless you’ve kept your kids hidden and locked away in the basement for 15 years (and you are guilty of child abuse) any normal frum kid would see guns on the street every day while walking to and from school (police, security guards etc.), on the media, in play guns they are given and in school while studying history or any subject in which modern warfare is addressed. Otherwise, its a great question.
Traditional Ungarishe recipe for Chalchopkis is to hollow out a large head of cabbage, stuff with a 5lb bag of sugar (remove bag first) and then bake in a 375 degree oven for 45 minutes. Garnish with a teaspoon of rice and ground beef before serving.
I’m not sure how many esrog trees from the seeds of the original Chazon Ish tree in BB are producing esrogim but from a purely objective and technical perspective, are these esrogim any more “hidur” than those from Italy or other locations??? And is there any price at a which the concept of hidur mitzvah gives way to the notion that the price is simply “too high” ?
If Mir teaches in English/Hebrew because a majority of its talmidim come from the U.S., than it would make sense for other yeshivot/kollels in EY to mandate that after a certain date, anyone who is a magid shiur present in Ivrit…there should obviously be exceptions to the rule for older rabbonim for whom giving a shmooz in ivrit would be challenging so Yiddish could be accommodate with simultaneous translation for a new generation of ivrit-speaking ynungerleit
Just a matter of time before this nitwit blames yesterday’s mass murder on the immorality of the residents of Las Vegas and the pritzus the City is known for (like he implied for the Orlando shooting, and other tragedies).
Obviously, there will always be “weapons” (Trucks, improvised explosives, etc.) available to a deranged murderer or terrorist that can kill multiple persons but automatic and semi/automatic weapons provide a more lethal and efficient path. Of course, the Trumpkopf in chief will pandor to his NRA constituents and accuse anyone calling for any limits on gun control as “politicizing” this tragedy. Note, that his statement carefully avoided calling this a “terror event” since that might offend some of his followers.
Joe….don’t believe everything you read…there is considerable debate among chazal and more contemporary meforshim as to the underlying cause of churban bayis sheini, and even those Chazal who mention priztizus were more nuanced. Also, this was in the historical context where the role of men in both the initiation and perpetuation of what was then called “pritzus” has changed and men today are recognized as much of the cause of the problem and thus part of the solution. With that thought, look in the mirror and a g’mar tov.
Joe and jake….attributing churban habayis to sinas chinam arguably makes sense under daas torah…..attributing tropical storms in the eastern Caribbean which arrive with clockwork regularity and intensify in cycles every few years to some unidentified need for tshuvah by the tzibur for their actions (e.g. yidden voting for Trump, Toevah marriage and other abominations) puts you guys in a rarified atmosphere of naviim that I wouldn’t subscribe to. BTW, there was more pritzus among the men just prior to Chruban bayis shaini than by women but I guess you guys don’t read history.
Keeping a mikvah clean, pristine and sparkling is essential to assuring that those who might not feel the obligation to toivel keep coming back, especially the less frum who take personal hygiene and cleanliness very seriously and would be turned off by anything less than 100 percent clean and well-maintained. The latter takes NIS/$$ which they don’t print in the back of the mikvah.
Joe….”no Jew should antagonize our temporary hosts by telling them we are their equals or that this isn’t their country more than ours….”
Yes, we should confront our hosts and tell them loudly and forcefully we ARE their equals and this IS as much our country as theirs, and we will push back against anyone who acts to the contrary.
Sure Joe….evern a broken clock is right twice a day……there is a game played by some to attribute and rationalize everything that happens to some variation of hashgacha paratis, whether it a routine, normal event or some natural disaster or tragedy and conclude they know that its the Ebeshter warning his hidden to “fix their behavior”. Perhaps what needs “fixing” are those who claim to know what is Hashem’s intent.
Many “young women” shop in the “young men’s” department for certain types of clothes whose styles are really gender neutral but they claim there is better selection and better fit. This is one of those few cases where there is a per se inyan of “beged ish” since the young men are really shopping in the men’s department (or are they?)
Joseph
For most normal yidden who have a family and job, life is already a treadmill with trying to get the kids off to school, getting to minyan a few times a week commuting to and from work, having dinner with the family, helping the kids with homework, caring for or checking in with elderly parents, etc. Toiveling at mikvah “every day” is not a realistic option for 90 percent of the frum tzibur.He doesn’t tell you that the mikvah in Austin charges $100 per toivel…(and that doesn’t include a towel or the gratuity for the mikvah lady)….