Gadolhadorah

To Joseph:

The alte Trumpkopf (aka Ferd the Trump) also “loved” Blacks. He ordered an employee to “get rid of blacks” in an apartment block in Queens and to avoid renting apartments to them, a released FBI dossier has claimed. The allegations of racial discrimination were over 40 years when the Ferd was chairman of Trump Management . My recollection is that the Ferd and the Donald settled the case to avoid going to trial. The right wing evangelicals who also “love” yidden do so out of their biblical view that we all need to die in some Armageddon, so their moishiach can return (and not riding down Eastern Parkway waving a yellow flag).

“Are you saying that women who live in places without an eiruv don’t live a normal life? ”

No…I’m saying that those who do have the benefit of an eruv (an obviously those who hold by eruvim) are able to enjoy menuchas Shabbos with their children and families, come to shul with the little ones, etc, go out for a walk Shabbos afternoon and visit friends/family). Those who hold by eruvim but live in areas that do not yet have an eruv (or where its not practical) cannot engage in what most consider “normal’ activities that are consistent with Shabbos. You make a good point regarding the threshold issue of whether those who move to Lakewood deliberately want to escape the “normal” of an MO neighborhood. However, I know many families in Lakewood and do not believe the anti-eruv shita is as pervasive and universal as some here would suggest.

Joseph Says: “The Shulchan Aruch and Rambam pasken l’halacha that women shouldn’t be out of the home much”

The usual nareshnkeit from our resident msycoginst troll .

“Kinder, Küche, Kirche” or the 3 Ks, is the 19th century German slogan translated as “children, kitchen, church”. It shares the derogatory connotation extracted out of context by Joseph describing what is obviously meant to be an antiquated female role model in contemporary Western society from the Mullahs of Iran and Riyadh. The phrase is vaguely equivalent to the medieval English “barefoot and pregnant” or the Victorian ode:

“Take hold of kettle, broom and pan,
Then you’ll surely get a man!
Shop and office leave alone,
Your true life work lies at home.”

Sadly, and most ominously, is the worldview of the Nazi philosopher, Y’S, who wrote:
“The mission of women is to bring children into the world. This is not at all as………unmodern as it sounds. The female bird pretties herself for her mate and hatches eggs for him. In exchange, the male takes care of gathering food, and stands guard and wards off the enemy.”
Joseph Goebbels, 1929

Gaon: There was a chassidish-western song titled something like “Looking for logic in all the wrong places” (or was it “love”)….either way don’t invest too much time search for a “logic” in certain trolling comments. Eruvin are here to stay and probably are an important factor keeping lots of younger families in the expanding number of shomer Shabbos couples we see in cities around the country pushing baby carriages and overall contributing to the explosion of yiddeshkeit. At some point, responding to trolling only seems to energize the troller to post even more outrageous stuff.

Just wear a kipah sigurah and not worry about where to put the hats…..

The BMG crowd may not “want” an eruv because Rabbi Kotler et. al. were against it but in general, if there are those who want to build one using public utility poles etc, it can be done. It would be a real chilul hashem for some yidden in Lakewood to intervene with public authorities against an eruv when yidden in other towns have been the target of anti-Semitic opposition to their efforts to place an eruv on utility poles and lampposts.

repaired – next time I just delete

The U.S. Public Health Service does not compille data by religious affiliation or by zip codes that can be correlated with heimeshe communities Howeve, the The Israel Health Ministry has done exactlly those types of studies and reported in 2015 that Chareidim in general, and men in particular, are seven times more likely to be obese than the rest of Israelis. The Ministry noted, “The chareidi lifestyle focuses on the dinner table… At the same time, they don’t engage in any physical exercise.” Other factors cited inluded inter alia, “the absence of nutritional and practical health education in chareidi schools and the much higher rates of poverty of many within this community, which leads to consumption of cheaper, simple carbohydrate-based foods (such as potatoes, pasta, rice, and sugar) combined with high sodium foods and high-fat meat, rather than more expensive complex carbohydrates and protein-rich foods….”
Obviously, Joe knows better than the health experts in the frumcommuniy, along with many promient rabbunim, who have recognized that poor nutrition is among the most critical problems facing the frum tzibur (and one of the mot easily solved).

If you are concerned about nutrition and cardiac health, consider substituting a tofu product or soy-based beef in lieu of some or all of the red meat and go very light on the salt. It is very easy to make a healthy chulent that tastes better than any recipe from the alte heim but equally important, allows you to fulfill the mitzvah of “u’shamartem es nafshosechem”.

To Reb Yidd321

“I can’t believe this thread wasn’t deleted because it involves us being “mevazeh panim to one of the gadolim of the uber-troll velt” . Trolls are the defenders of “true yiddeshkeit” in the blogosphere and deserve the same level of kavod as we provide to other chashuve yidden.

I suspect that whenever the minhag of serving meat evolved, the state of knowledge regarding nutrition and the adverse health effects of most meat were unknown. If the underlying notion is hudur mitzvah and serving meat at one time was considered a sign of respect, etc. the times have changed. The cost/lb of fresh fish (not the bottom feeders served in various forms as “gefilte” fish and larded with lots of sugar) is considerably higher than most meats and nutritionally an order of magnitude better. The majority of yidden today (especially the younger generation) would much prefer a sincha with lots of fresh fish and salads (and perhaps chicken) rather than the traditional red meats, salty and fatty fish, starchy kugels etc.

There are multiple ways in which ostensibly anti-tzionist, anti-medinah elements of the chareidi tzibur can rationalize acceptance of certain government payment streams or services. Its not hypocreicy, its pragmatism. One can follow a principled position to the extent practical in contemporary society but make concessions where necessary. As Joseph said, the basic infrastructue in EY has existed in one form or another since the time of Avraham avinu, albeit having been updated with government funds. Its always a balancing of interests.

To RebYiee23
Normally, I don’t take Joseph literally, but here I wonder…..the optics aren’t especially pretty. But giving Joseph the benefit of the doubt, as he is always prone to do for others, I assume he meant this as a metaphor that in Z’man moishiach, all broigas will be resolved (except perhaps for a few yellow flag wavers who may not have gotten the memo).

It really comes down to one’s level of education/experience with matters of halacha and self-confidence in researching certain types of questions where more likely than not, no psak is required. There are some yidden for whom the sequence of putting on their shoes in the AM is a shaylah worthy of asking their Rav. The threshold for asking a question obviously is very personal and there is no right or wrong answer. If you are lacking in confidence and have a Rav who never seems to bothered to answer even the most trivial questions, go for it.

At some point, the Mods may want to reconsider the value of continuing these two parallel threads on Chabad. While the early postings were VERY informative about Chabad mesorah and hashkafah and the questions were pointed but respectful, the last day or two have spiraled downward into an exchange of insults and mindless rants. I’m all for not censoring legitimate dialogue and debate but as several have noted, this is ending badly….

I’m wondering how many Litvish members of the CR, after having read through these several threads over the past few days, felt compelled motzi shabbios to run out and purchase yellow flags and today were marching up and down Eastern Parkway screaming “yechi”??/

The world has evolved and so have the majority of yidden. If a fur is used entirely for purposes of style and fashion (even if to emulate the style and fashion of a prior generation) engaging in the horrendous practice of trapping fur-bearing animals where they die horrific deaths is clearly being mechallel tzar baalei chayim. To waste thousands of dollars on fur streimlach is an inyan that has been debated many times previously. Perhaps those chassidus who for some reason still feel the need to wear streimlach (which is obviously their right) might consider feaux fur going forward.

MDD1

Your multiple postings prove the point that misnagdim are really Chabad wannabees who are jealous of both their hashkafah and ahavas yisroel. Its a lot easier to post rants about followers of the rebbe being guilty of all sorts of apikorsus than to study the rebbe’s writings and at least understand the underlying hashkafah they follow. Do some take his words a bit more literally than others? Of course, but I think we see much more of that tendency in Litivish circles.

As much as some of the Chabad-haters here may not like it, Dr. Sorkin is obviously doing something right since the Rav’s condition is reported today to be substantially improved although he still is in much sakanah. Yes, the tefillos too are important but never underestimate the power of a Lubavitch physician.

You should have known that it was just a matter of ie before some of the usual CR suspects would be comparing those chabadniks who believe the Rebbe may retun a moishiach to Jews for Jesus.

There is no reason why the tzibur must “choose’ between those who believe the rebbe is/was/will be moishiach, those who feel such beliefs are apikorsus and the large percentage of yidden who don’t know/don’t care as long as z’man moisiach is sooner rather than later. And to those who expect to see a guy wearing a white kitel riding a white donkey along the Belt Parkway headed to 770, yasher koach for “keeping the faith” since there are at least a few equally passionate yidden (including several here in the CR) who think you are looney tunes but nonetheless will embrace you as “achenu kol yisroel”…

Not sure what the focus of this thread is…..in many Chassidus, the Rav and his “court” often are wearing streimlach and bekeshes that are VERY fashionable by chassideshe standards costing thousands of dollars and clearly distinguishable from the lvush worn by the 99 percentile of the Rav’s chassidim. Not saying its right, wrong or simply irrelevant but “lvush” is obviously meant to create a class sytem where the leadership/nobility is a step up (sartorially) from the peasants…

Because this is a website for frum yidden, there is an implicit presumption that everyone here has their own LRP….not true. You would be amazed at how many frum yidden have never really selected and relied upon an LRP and either are “self-paskining” using online research or simply have not ever thought about consulting an LRP for issues in their daily life. ZD wisely notes that if you are staffing a Halacha helpline you don’t want to be judgmental and turn away shaiylos simply because you don’t know the person on the other end of the line.

“What is a “benefit” is not up to the Gedolim in the Coffee Room or even the real The Gedolei Torah. ”

What IRS tax examiner or compliance officer would have the chutzpah to challenge any taxpayer claiming an exemption from the new rules on “taxable income” who cited one of the “gadolim” from the CR as the basis for such an assertion. They would quickly nod their head knowingly and apologize for even questioning your knowledge of tax law.