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Reb E. Thanks, as always. I’ll have to think about the “3-sided”
shamayim. The best analogy I can think of is from sailing in a fog where there was up, down and all directions morphed into the same grayness.A yid who gives generously to yiddeshe mosdos can also give to generic non-Jewish charities whose activities and programs benefit yidden along with goyim. I was in Texas over 10 years ago during a flooding episode where the local Chabad house made a big kiddush hashem by serving as neighborhood relief center without regard to religious affiliation and then-Governor Rick Perry gave the shalicah special recognition. Some of the biggest baalei tzadakah in the frum Jewish community have also provided support for local charitable ventures. One does not exclude the other.
Health: I respectfully disagree….I think OAN is just as much Pathetic Cxxp as Fox and even more so since Fox still retains a few legitimate objective journalists during their daytime hours. In the evening, the Fox parade of racist, xenophobic and Trump sycophants is just as bad as OAN and NewsMax. Likewise, the MSNBC and CNN evening lineups are equally skewed to the far left. When the lights go down, there is no TV market for old-line, middle of the road objective journalism.
Reb E: Never to argue, C’V, with the CR of the CR, but in a metaphysical sense, wouldn’t shamayim (viewed in a 3 dimensional context) have four sides in addition to up and down. When we think of malachim etc. occupying “space” that implies “sides” to that space.
(continued) with an emphasis on the “daled” where some hold the “D” long enough to draw a mental picture of Hashem’s malchus over all that is above, below, and the four sides of shamayim
This in contrast the prolonged “echaaadddddddddd” in the Shema (with an emphasis
Common Saychel: I am much more tolerant of trolls if they are well done with a bit of humor and sarcasm. Unfortunately, some are simply dumb and childish (aka “Should women be allowed to leave the house w/o their husband’s permission?)
Maivin: Is it ok for guys using “Maivin” as a posting name to occasionally show signs of intelligence while trolling on social media??
Malvin: On what basis do you think it might be asur to provide tzedakah to a non-Jew?? Many significant charities benefit both Yidden and goyim and there is no way you can earmark your donation for actions or programs that only benefit Yidden. Obviously, there are charities we can prioritize that benefit yidden but no reason not to leave a small portion of our charitable giving for worthy mosdos that help all.
As Tip O’Neill was fond of say, “all tzinius is local” as is politics. Several posters above correctly noted that what might pass the test in one location would be totally inappropriate in others. While there are certain “universal” norms for a ben torah to dress (aka going shirtless is not OK anywhere but the beach) short sleeves, bermuda shorts, shirts other than white, etc are more likely governed by minhag h’makom.
“…the disturbing underlying obssession/hyperfocus on the veering of sheltered or careful people from their lifestyle. As if you just can’t untangle yourself. And you can’t let them have their victory…”
You miss the point entirely. Some have had their victory by finding a balanced way of maintaining their lifestyle while simultaneously using the normal advancements of society to improve the lives of themselves and their families in the same way our people have done for thousands of years. Even the most ardent, machmir chareidim don’t live today in the same way our forefather did in the time of the avos/emahos but have carefully selected those elements of modern technology and services that they (with the advice of dass torah) believe are consistent with their views of halacha and their haskafah. I don’t recall seeing any of the rabbonim coming to the Asefas riding a donkey on the NJ turnpike nor do I recall their objecting to using a sound amplification system rather than yelling at the tops of their voices about the evils of the internet etc. As I noted earlier, your entitled to your wrong opinion about trends in adopting technology and economic (versus cultural) integration in the Charedi tzibur as am I except I don’t find your views “creepy”, just a bit parochial.
Syag: Sorry it upsets you that many kids actually did quite well when introduced to virtual classes and I’m thrilled you are tolerant of “kosher” internet use. It affirms your bona fides as a open-minded, creeped-out but woke observer of the evolving world of frum interaction with the internet in the post-covid era. And yes, I think its a win for all when increasing numbers of young men and women are provided access to the internet under appropriate controls. Within a few years, I’m hopeful even the holdouts will reassess their concerns and you will be reading their posts here in the CR
Avram: The OP was about some Asifah….we haven’t heard about them much for the past 18 months b/c of the Covid restrictions. The last big gathering was not a “gevalt gathering” but that incredible Met Life Stadium daf yomi siyum back on New Years Day 2020 just before the Covid shutdowns. Before that there were several well publicized and reported “internet asifahs”.
P.S. For those who felt “conference calls” were a good substitute for in-person learning or zoom virtual calls, your entitle to your opinion. A properly filtered computer appears to have worked for many frum families and schools without resulting in tens of thousand of kids going OTD or a big spike in divorces because of
frum guys discovering pritzus on the internet.Crazy Rudy (Giuliani) has lost his law license in NY and D.C. Sidney Powell will soon find out whether she too will be sanctioned by the Michigan Court Judge who trashed her this AM in a hearing for knowingly filing false/misleading affidavits and making reps to the Court that a 30 second google search would have shown to be untrue. At last check, the Arizona Faudit had moved for the fourth or fifth time to a run down warehouse where “non-partisan” audit workers hired by the Repubican contractor were filmed this AM starting their day singing the National Anthem and then dancing to the tune of YMCA. You cannot make this stuff up….
What is sometimes lost on some younger guys was noted by some of the posters above. Its more than just wearing lvush than visually appears consistent with minhag h’makom or whatever group you follow. Its also important to be sure that the clothes you wear are properly fitting and clean. Even in a sea of black, its not appropriate for ben torah to show up in public in pants hanging below his behind two sizes two large or with pant legs a few inches above his shoes andthat look like they haven’t been pressed in decades and showing stains from last week’s shalosh seudos. Some would say this falls under the broad umbrella of tzinius.
Hopefully, 18 months of living with Covid may have changed at least a few minds within the Chareidi tzibur about the positive elements of internet access (subject to strict filtering and proper oversight). It provided access to continued virtual learning for hundreds of thousands of children and young adults, offered access to critical public health information, allowed many to continue working from homes when their employers shut down their offices/stores/facilities and in recent months, provided a simple and easy way to register for vaccination.
Actually, very long shorts with high socks will attract much more attention (aka
look wierd”) than a normal pair of men’s shorts just at or above the knee with a pair of sport socks and comfortable shoes. A prime objective of masculine tzinius is not to draw undue attention to yourself. A fire engine red Borselino would be as much of a concern (other than on Purim) as a socks that come up to the bottom of the shorts (in which case you might as well just ware a pair of lightweight summer pants). I’ve never seen anyone complain about short sleeve button up shirts (as distinct from sleeveless T-shirts which are not appropriate for a ben torah).Maivin. I suspect Yoni S can provide more current information, especially on what you refer to as “ruchniyos” in the schools. However, as to what you refer to as the “main rov”, there is “Chief Rabbi” selected by most of the “orthodox” mosdos in SA. The current Chief Rabbi is the first to hold the position who was born and educated in SA as was appointed in his early 30s. He also holds a PhD in law and is politically progressive and very much involved in social equity efforts across SA society. He is more in the mold of the Chief Rabbi of the UK than the traditional model of a “main rov” your question implies.
There is some special shatnez that must be performed for girls’ school uniforms and the only approved testing center is run by the shver of the mashgiach referenced above making $100k annually.
Great segue for a mathematician to use gematriah to share a vert for Ti’sha B’av.
We traveled there back in 2015 including visits to Capetown and Johannesburg and the obligatory “safari” in neighboring Botswana. We found the Chabad shaalichim in both cities to be incredibly helpful and knowledgable so I would suggest contacting them if you plan on traveling anytime soon (although they are still in semi-lockdown mode because of Covid). Also, the security situation has gotten a bit more risky since we were there.
Say what you can at whatever speed is comfortable for you. Chazal bring down that the Ebeshter can understand teffilos offered at any speed so don’t be intimidated by those around you who seem to believe there is great yichus to be the first to take 3 steps back so that everyone knows they’ve completed the amidah before the shalicah tzibur or anyone else.
A rebbishe bekishe is great for Fashion Week in Bryant Park (back live in September) or a Purim Parade on 13th Avenue but I sense this poor guy is not looking to make a fashion statement but simply wants a comfortable and well fitting litvishe kappota.
And also, in between obtaining advanced degree in mathematics, still managed to accumulate more daas torah than a large percentage of p/t shteigers could ever imagine and which he routinely shares with us in elegant, understandable and non-judgemental posts.
This thread is sort of a poster child for the death spiral of print media. If you value the content, format and editorial values of Mishpacha and prefer hard copy publications, then you should be prepared to spend a few dollars a week to support its publication (including mailing costs which are up 40 percent over the past few years). If you are simply looking for something to wrap the fish than there are admittedly significantly more cost-effective options than the cost of a single grande mocha latte frapuccino with cholov yisroel.
Reb E: Happy 62nd Anniversary. America in general (and the CR tzibur specifically) are fortunate you made the trip. Hopefully, the next 62 years will be as satisfying for you.
Mendy Satcho at Primo on Kingston Avenue is the place to go. They will fix you up with either grey or black in silk, wool or a lightweight blend for as little as $400 or up to $1,000. You can order online and specify size/length and even select button styles. I haven’t seen “blue” but perhaps their “black” fabrics may also include some dark blues shades.
At least they found some new issue about which to hold an asefa. For a while, it seemed that all the asefas were held with the singular purpose of screaming gevalt about the internet and “assuring” smart phones among the yungerleit.
I’m not sure most Israelis will really care if they have a smaller number of ehrliche Lakewood yidden making aliyah. The new government is not launching a war on yiddeshkeit but clearly will be seeking to respond to the beliefs of the their constituents that ALL those living in EY should be treated equally regarding military/public service obligations, taxes, government subsidies etc.
Eishes Chayil: I’m beginning to think you are engaged in a really good troll. Hopefully, by now, you have narrowed your search and decided to rely exclusively on the advice of one our resident CR shiduchim to find a husband for your beautiful, financially independent and VERY, VERY chassidish daughter. He is from a mixed family (Vishnitz father, Belz mother) but went to a well know Litvish yeshiva where he became a big talmid chacham (at least in his own mind) who is considering starting his own chassidus, but in the interim earning some extra money running up and down Eastern Parkway waving a yellow flag advertising the Thursday afternoon mincha minyanim at the Sloatsburg Rest Stop on the New York Thruway. Does that sound about right?
Common Saychel: Thanks for the historical context. So I guess any of our regular posters could “appoint” himself/herself/itself (preferred pronoun) as chief Rav, Rabbanit, Rebbitzen, or Baal Habaas of the CR (or perhaps the latter term is reserved for the Mods).
“The chief rabbi of Ukraine lives in BP as does the chief rabbi of Galizyah, a position that only exists in his imagination…”
I was intrigued to learn more about the imaginary world of the Galizianer Rabbanus noted by two prior posters. First I thought it was a troll but then discovered that indeed, HaRav Edgar Chaim Baruch Yona Gluck, a yekkeshe rav now living in Brooklyn but born in the Alte Hiem, insists that he is truly the Chief Rabbi of Galicia (a country dissolved after WWI.
According to an online search, Reb Gluck, is not entirely a looney tunes character. He got semicha back in the 70s from from Yeshiva Chasam Sofer (which I’ve admittedly never heard of) but was also appointed in the 80s by Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill, as a member of a government agency called the U.S. Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad. Does anyone know how/why/when Reb Gluck was “appointed” as Galizianer Rebbe-in-Chief since the country disappeared 100 years earlier (and no bad Litvish jokes please).The prerequisites for a CR CR, is a Rav who has learned at Yeshivos Adas Yereim, Wiener and Chasan Sofer, is known to be machmir on kulahs, has posted at least 5,000 teshuvos in the CR, and is not intimidated by Mod 29.
“Any nominations for Chief Rabbi of the CR?”
Well, if Reb E is reluctant to take on additional responsibilities, there is apparently some Galiztianer Rav in Brooklyn with time on his hands who might be willing to take the CR tzibur under his wings.
Does anyone think we need a “Chief Rabbi” here in the United States??If so, would the official residence be located in BP, Willy, Crown Heights, Monsey or Lakewood?
Uuuumein, v’Uuuumein.
For those who need to be careful about cholesterol, a good quality virgin olive oil blended with your favorite roasted vegetable and fresh herb mixes (our favorite is roasted heirloom tomatoes, leeks and eggplant with some zatar, shug and lemon juice). Roasting the veggies in an oven or grill concentrates the flavors and highlights the natural sugars. Skip the mayo since the whipped olive oil provides much of the same texture. B’taavon
“who really cares?”
Well, probably tens of thousands of Ger who would be very disappointed if the referee ruled that their rebbe had been TKO’d by a relative newcomer.Always ask questions: No ladies of the night ever tried to steal one of our kids’ science projects, much less my tuna sandwich from the cooler.
Some of these posts are borderline hysterical. You have a rare baas yisroel with a good parnassah on her own and also holds strictly by halacha and a “super” chassidish hashkafah and everyone (including her mom) seems to assume she won’t find her own chosson? Leave her alone and don’t make her crazy with shadchonim.
Rational: I was always taught to keep the succah dry because of all the work that the kids expended in making those beautiful decorations for yom tov and hanging them from the roof of the succah along with their drawings on the wall would be ruined by the rain. We never purchased decorations and in some cases, were able to retain some of the kids’ items from prior years. I’m not sure that is the inyan of keeping the succah “dry” but that was certainly our primary focus.
Chazal bring down that is is generally assur to store tefillin in a cooler in which you are also storing your lunch or your kid’s science project.
Is this some slow news day effort to reignite the Camp Ger broigas?? If the scorecard is for fundraising skills, than its R’Alter by a knockout. I recall he raised $15-$20 million earlier this year in an online fundraising extravaganza.
We’ve used a simple PVC pipe frame attached on a slight slope over the schach roof and used a rolled up tarp on a second piece of pipe attached to the “high” end of the frame so the tarp can easily be rolled up and pulled out. The entire frame and large tarp can be purchased at any Home Depot or Lowes for minimal cost. Two concerns. First, its good for light rain but don’t use it when heavy downpour is forecast since the water can “pool” and the weight will collapse your succah. Second, getting up on the ladder to roll it up or down at night and after a few glasses of wine can be a challenge
Also, I’m sure there is some chumrah somewhere that says our entire “stay dry” strategy is apikorsus and succahs are supposed to get wet.If your daughter has achieved professional success and a really good income while remaining super frum and adhering to a strict set of midos, perhaps trust that she will also be able to find her own beschert w/o shadchanus. Much hatzlacha to her.
As usual, Mod 29’s musar is well taken. Lets try again.
Baruch haba!! (If the Mods will allow a link, a proper musical rendition of baruch haba by the Miami Boys Choir can be accessed at:
BTW, I’ve driven through Bensalem township many times and know the name from the big water tower on U.S. 1 but never knew there was such a great kollel nearby.
Welcome. So you joined the CR an hour ago just to share the news??