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Arrogance and “Hyoocirsy” have become the hallmarks of BOTH parties and on any given day or issue, one will spike the meter more than the other but over time, I would submit it evens out. The sudden and seemingly silent abdication of 100 years of Republican party principles and philosophy to a narcissistic self-indulgent leadership wrapped in neo-facist populism and nationalism (aka MAGA) certain rises to the level of the mindless and internally inconsistent “socialist” hyperbole of the rejuvenated “progressive” wing of the Democratic Party. Trying to score either side on the arrogance and hyoocrisy meters on any given day is a fools’ errand. As I’ve maintained over and over, the sensible middle of the American body politic is on life-support with a negative outlook for long-term recovery.
Harav: A toevah firetruck wouldn’t get too far in certain neighborhoods so there would likely be a much greater loss of life and property
Reb E: Why do so many of your postings have the following small print below:
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This reply was modified 52 minutes ago by Reb Eliezer.Would those 136 missing comments be restored if the thread title was changed to “Barack Obama: Ohev Yisroel” or would that result in the AI software used for screening posts going into meltdown?
Syag: Now that surprises me but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. I’ll translate the punchline when we meet in Gan Eden.
Note to file: Some of the best jokes, even from the frum velt, still require a degree of rewording to satisfy local CR editorial standards. Perhaps not always as funny but better than another thread on vaccines, TDS or the latest Eidah Hafganos.
“just looking at one guy/////You have the chutzpah to speak of a Rebbe that way and then complain about how people speak of yours? That’s your chinuch?’
Syag: Lighten up. I don’t think Nochum in any way meant to be disrespectful. That is just how some communicate in the abstract. And obviously he is expressing HIS own opinion and experience which may not be nearly the same or as extensive as yours. I understood his point as a simple one which I also share. For younger folks, a Fabrengen is more interactive, casual, perhaps more music and potentially moe spiritually uplifting than a Tish where there is more of “lecture” style of communication and chinuch with less interaction and might even feel like an extension of the a seder at the yeshiva or kollel. Again, your experience may have been exactly the opposite.
MB10….Baltimore also has a Litvish kollel in case being m’gayer is an option
Can we just stipulate that Chassidish rabbonim are bigger fashionistas than their Litvish counterparts.
There is no food to eat in Gan Eden??? No Thursday night chulent, no mozti shabbos pizza? bubkis?? Than why should we struggle to be shomrei torah umitzvos….sounds more like gehonom
“marriages are a not a thing in Gan Eden…”
Says who?? Most guys won’t be able to tie their shoes w/o varbeshe direction and a large percentage would starve to death the first week
It takes years to develop the trolling proficiency exemplified here in the CR by some of our “senior” posters. At the outset, I would reject the notion that most of these problematic posters are bored, post-pubescent yungerleit who tune out of the morning seder to publish some outlandish bubba meisa or rhetorical question to aggravate the rest of us. Second, the level of daas torah and secular scholarship exemplified by posters on both sides of most issues discussed here generally, although not always, only comes with years of life experience and study. That leaves a few hard-core posters who seem to blindly throw out political and halachic hyperbole about Trump, misogeny, anti-vax pseudo science etc and wait (hopefully in vain) for an impassioned response. The latter group I suspect are in the 18-30 yo bracket.
The big mystery to me, and perhaps others, are the personal profiles of the MODs who exhibit wisdom, grace, patience beyond their youthful exuberance but simultaneously in possession of an eagle eye ability to immediately spot and nuke inappropriate innuendo.Aside from AAQ’s rather obvious point, even if you could find someone willing to engage at that level of compensation, what you pay for is more likely than not, what you will get.
“Whats the difference between Passaic and Baltimore?”
180 miles and 3.5 hours of driving time
Passaic is roughly 20 miles (30-40 minutes driving time) from 770
Baltimore is about 200 miles and 4 hours driving time from 770. I’d also guess that Baltimore is more like Lakewood in terms of Litvish versus Chassidish.
If some of the prior postings are correct and the husband-wife relationship from olam hazeh is broken, will there be a NEW SHIDDUCH CRISIS in olam haboh or will the maalachim also function as shadchanim and assure all the women in Gan Eden find a new beschert. I guess that all depends on whether or not a greater percentage of women make it to Gan Eden then men.
Last time I checked, Passaic would not be considered OOT by any definition, unless you are operating under a somewhat parochial assumption that the United States is an island off the coast of Brooklyn.
“The whole shampoo industry is a scam..”
Not if you carefully followed the instructions on the shampoo bottle.
1. Wash
2. Shampoo
3. Rinse
4. Repeat
You need to follow ALL 4 steps, and most stop after no. 3For the latest and greatest, consider the new Samsung Galaxy Flip3. It is virtually indestructible and gives you easy access to hundreds of apps from glatt kosher to total treifus with multiple filtering options. And the 5G version is your for less than $1500…a bargain!
Easier to “network” with your chavrusah at a Fabrengin, typically better music and easier access to the food and spirits.
“the main New York popcorn importer for New York is on a pig farm”
Gevalt alert, code red!!!!
Why is this being hidden by the media??? Who knows what else might be smuggled into New York through a chazer farm w/o being thoroughly vetted by a reputable hashgacha.“The requirements that the knees be covered at all times in public…. isn’t anyone’s “vision of Tznius”; it is an absolute obligation.”
Actually it is someone’s vision, and a distorted one at that, in multiple cases we have read about in recent years, including here on YWN, where misguided zealots endow themselves with enforcement authority and have physically and verbally abused women who most of us would agree are meeting commonly accepted tzinius standards based on their vision of a more rigorous standard. Most frum women actually go beyond the minimum standard and when visiting another community with more rigorous standards, seek to conform with “minhag hamokom”. For some, that may not be enough. Harassment of even young girls standing outside of a BY or walking in the park by these self-appointed tzinius vigilantes are becoming all too common .
Syag: Your reading intention in to my comments which are NOT implied. Narrow point that objective halachic standards are increasingly distorted and expanded beyond intention and behaviors that manifest that subjective and vigilante type behavior are being normalized.
P.S. I’ve never said that “an inch less” than halacha is “good enough”. Good enough for whom??? I have said we shouldn’t marginalize those of our brothers and sisters whose observance may not be 100 percent but rather seek to provide positive incentives for them to keep growing in their yiddeshkeit, but ultimately its a personal decision.” tell him that Torah is actually very very easy to keep…”
Perhaps at a fairly superficial level. Obviously, if it was so easy, we wouldn’t have that many of our brethren going OTD. For some its can be a real challenge and thats what the OP is all about.Little I know’s vert is right on point as to positive motivation and role modeling being a much more effective behavioral tool than punishment. Where the latter might occasionally be required, for a segment of the tzibur who DO allow for limited internet access, I would suspect that restricting that access might be the single greatest motivator. Certainly more so than physical “assault”.
Thank you to our resident scholars for so elegantly explaining the finer points of how the chumrah police will enforce their vision of tzinius for bnos yisroel.
I you are referring to R’ Zacharia Wallerstein, he is with a highly regarded group called Ohr Na’avah which operates in a number of areas in the U.S. and among many services, provides mentoring for OTDs etc.
RebE. At least until rosh chodesh Adar when we are obligated to ramp up the simcha meter to at least the levels posted during the yom tovim.
CT Lawyer: Also, a big yasher koach to your state on having the LOWEST covid infection rate in the U.S. and the second lowest hospitalization rate (kudos to Vermont). Obviously, you and the locals are doing something right. Want to share the formula?
BTW. The Connecticut economy is growing like gangbusters so these great public health outcomes has not been achieved by locking down the economy.Syag: Also, there have been some significant price spikes in certain OOT locations over the past year or two. Ulster and Sullivan counties, for example up as much as 25 percent in a year but that may not be in local areas where the Chassidish enclaves are located. Conversely, Baltimore prices have remained fairly steady
Syag: Fairly clear. I know several frum families (not Chassidsh) who decided to move out of the NYC metro area to more rural parts of NY/NJ/Conn during Covid. Also, some smaller yeshivos seemed to handle Covid better than larger ones and were able to maintain in-person instruction. Lots of tumult over the past 18 months that may or may not affect relocation decisions Nothing more profound.
MB10: Not sure why you bumped this thread but a lot may have changed in 18 months of Covid. I would get get an update as to how well a community functioned, what type of instruction did the local yeshivos provide during period they were closed for in-person classes, did the community engage in the type of public health protocols you are comfortable with etc. Some old information may be dated. On the other hand, many felt that Covid increased their desire to relocate to areas with lower population density and more flexibility to raise a family in the event of a future public health crisis.
So they have something to contribute to the Tzinius Broigas which is ranked as No. 2 on the CR thread rankings, only to the Shiduch Crisis, with variations of Trump Derangement Syndrome and Techeles coming at a close tie for third. Fish and game wardens drive around with pickup trucks with long rulers built into the truck hatch for measuring the allowable catch. The Taliban and Revolutionary Guard “morals police” walk around with walking sticks/batons with metric measurements for measuring skirt lengths Maybe UJM and some of his really ehrliche chevrah can buy some of these essential tools on ebay so they are equipped to administer arbah makos to those pritzusdike women they confirm are in violation (perhaps with a few cm safe harbor leeway like the police use when ticketing for speeding violations)
CTLawyer: Ignore DovidBT. He is still suffering from (political) myopia that may be beyond the skills of even the most gifted ophthalmologist.
A belated shanah tovah.CS: Thats why I noted that the areas to the east of the I-5 corridor are a world apart from the Seattle Portland metro areas and some of the coastal areas. Several of the college campuses in those areas are hotbeds of BDS. In fact, there is an effort underway in the eastern part of the state of Washington to secede and form a NEW state called Liberty. Part of their manifesto reads as follows:
“A group of coastal elites, one that detests our very way of life, dominates the political system of Washington state. These people view individual political and religous freedoms as just another problem getting in the way of executing their radical social and economic agenda, an agenda that is fundamentally at odds with how we in Eastern Washington desire to live….”
We’ve also traveled extensively in the PNW and entirely agree that outside of Idaho I’ve never encountered a hint of the type of anti-semitism you apparently encountered in the Whitefish/Kalispell area of Montana which I’ve heard is also the home turf for some white supremacy groups (which typically espouse anti-semitic tropes).
When visiting a fish hatchery near Bonneville Dam on the Columbia River, we met a frum young guy wearing a kipah (more MO than yeshivish) who was working on a business startup for an organic/kosher salmon jerky production facility to be based somewhere in the region. I’m not sure exactly what he was expecting to learn from spending time with the federal fisheries biologists but he said he was treated with incredible respect and interest from those he met with throughout the region. While I think the jerky market is already saturated with several good products with good hashgacha, I was impressed by his enthusiasm and positive reception from the locals.As AZ probably knows better than anyone, this farm is located in the far northeast corner of Oregon, bordered by Washington and Idaho. For those unfamiliar, the politics of this area are about as far to the right end of the spectrum as Portland and Seattle are to the left and this particular county voted 2:1 for Trump. I suspect there is a real fascination and respect for guys who show up every year in Wallowa in Chassidish lvush with such a fanatical focus on the nuts and bolts of Pesach wheat production and this positive vibe was reflected in the Oregonian article. (Lets forget about the fact that some of the nation’s most well-credentialed anti-semitim are located across the state line Idaho.)
“Would you find it objectionable if women critiqued a behavior of certain groups of men who were acting incorrectly in public?”
No, but in reality, womens’ complaints about the appearance or behavior of men are typically met with either total silence, dismissed out of hand or rationalized as not technically being problematic under halacha. In their relations and interactions with women, these ehrliche yidden are always living under self-styled chumrahs but in relation to their own behavior as perceived by women, it is mega kulahs that govern.
Also, perhaps a subject for a separate thread, are the armed “assassins” flailing around with their lulavim while circling the bimah and poking the poor shlep nearby in the eye. This is not a joke and I’ve seen it happen several times over the years. When you a doing hakofos, the lulav should always be held in a 100 percent vertical, upright position. NO WAVING DURING HAKOFOS.
How do so many of these threads get hijacked for the vile purpose of opening a new battle line in the Chabad-Litvish wars?
Apparently these clowns found a bunch of anecdotal glitches (most of which are either technicalities or not fully documented) but concluded that in aggregate, they would not have affected the outcome. The Trumpkopf has already declared vindication, moved on to Texas where he won by a large margin and demanding selective audits in Texas counties where he claims “everyone knows there was fraud” since he should have won by “much bigger margins”. The Repubicans in Texas are so terrified of losing support of the Trumkopfs that they will likely go along and do Arizona 2.0 but find even bigger clowns than the Cyber Ninjas (since everything is bigger in Texas).
Just about every newspaper and media outlet have been highlighting the vaccination rules for weeks and running stories about incidents where individuals had objected to the new requirements. For many of those that deliberately avoid reading newspapers (print or online) or watching TV, they are also unlikely to see notices on museum websites. However, I’ve checked several of the top museums (MET, Natural History and MOMA) and all have the warning about the Covid Vaccination requirement as a condition of entry. For example the Jewish Museum website has the following alert:
“In accordance with government regulations and health guidance, visitors must reserve timed tickets and observe additional policies as part of their visit. Read the guidelines on this page to ensure a safe and enjoyable visit. In compliance with the New York City mandate, proof of vaccination is required for all visitors 12 and older. ”
The rules on the NYC Department of Health Website are clear and unambiguous and cover virtually all restaurants, bars, museums, indoor entertainment/cultural venues etc.
There is a considerable body of academic research as to how to most effectively integrate individuals moving at different speeds by providing “acceleration” and “deceleration” lanes, metering entry into the moving traffic etc. No reason we couldn’t adopt the same concepts into hakofos with perhaps a slow lane for the older members of the shul moving clockwise around the bimah/guy holding the sefer torah and counterclockwise for the more nimble daveners moving at a higher RPM. There could also be a rest area where truly ehrliche yidden can daven with real kavanah while standing still. Obviously, the biggest tzadikim (aka the guys with the loudest “UUMeeeins” who back into you when they complete their shmoneh esreh) may require a special hakofos area
Participant: I’ll have to admit I read your post several times and still have no clue as to what the inner meaning of your profound thought might convey about squaring the circle of life.
A gutten moed.The wording of this thread is borderline irresponsible. It was mentioned weeks ago when the issue of infertility, miscarriage etc. initially surfaced and dismissed by OB/GYN experts from both the U.S. and EY. Rates of miscarriage were NOT statistically different between vaccinated/non-vaccinated pregnant mothers after cohort groups were normalized for other risk factors.
“But who knows where and when they were baked….”
Totally agree. C’v they might have been baked in Willy, BP or even Monsey. They also might be frozen chometz sh’avr alov h’pesach or even worse….
You’re probably have to drive 30-45 minutes north or south to find intelligent life with hashgacha that also makes a decent bagel. From yenavelt (where you are located) probably agnostic whether you drive to Liberty/South Fallsburg or Monsey for your bagel.
P.S. Either way go for an everything bagel with light cream cheese. Best of all worlds.