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Jackk: Wait an hour or two. Perhaps those same “Putin Appologists” haven’t heard that Trump (on a Fox News interview this AM) just referenced Putin’s invasion as a “Holocaust”. That could change by tonight so don’t expect any consistency until he figures out which position is more popular across “the MAGA base”. After 50-60 years of cold war Evil Empire anti-Russian Republican rhetoric it is taking a while for the older MAGAim to pivot to the new Tucker Carlson world view of Putin as “the victim” of Western globalist/liberal elites.
“All they are being asked to do is respect their neighbors existential concerns….”
Are you trolling and we are missing your sarcasm or are you truly that naive? How about Ukraine’s “existential” concerns. If they forego their right to align themselves with whomever they choose, they will be slowly swallowed by Russia w/o any need for military action. NATO has never “threatened” another country and indeed has been rather toothless in response to multiple provocations over the years. There is no existential threat to Russia aside from Putin’s own sense of paranoia.
Reb E: Not only are you a real talmid chacham, but you are right on with regard to pointing us to the health benefits of red cabbage (aside from the segulah). There are multiple nutritional studies showing that red/purple cabbage is very high in anti-oxidants and has incredible benefits in terms of immune system support and anti-inflammatory properties. One of the lessons of the past two years should be a renewed focus on the role of nutrition in immune system support.
Assuming we stipulate that “everything that happens in the world is controlled by Hashem” and there is no such thing as a “natural disaster” (which should correctly be viewed as a “wake-up” call from hashem, etc. etc.) than it would seem that the large percentage of posts here in the CR are borderline apikorsus since we are questioning the Ebeshter’s judgement as to what should happen, to whom and when. Instead, the only appropriate subject matter would be what type of tshuvah would have the greatest efficacy in mitigating or eliminating these otherwise pre-ordained outcomes.
“Quite frankly, I had no idea CHABAD was resettling the Ukraine and I still have no idea why”
Chabad has shalichim all over Eastern Europe and had chabad centers in about 25 different cities in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion. Over the weekend, a number of those centers that were under attack and/or in the direct line of Russian advances were able to withdraw to Poland or “safe” portions of Ukraine. In several cases, the YWN news pages reported on the efforts of the shiluchim to arrange for travel not only for their own families but for groups of talmidim as well.
AAQ: You obviously haven’t been shopping lately, but neither medical or recreational cannabis would never, c’v, be sold in “plastic bags”. The retail outlets market their product in glass or lucite containers. I suspect the unregulated street product may be distributed in plastic bags but have no way of confirming.
Syag: With respect, I just don’t see the majority of non-frum people you demonize as “trying to destroy torah” and don’t see any merit in debating you on that basic point. Nor do I see the few crazies in Chabad running around with yellow flags as negating the order of magnitude greater positives of the Chabad shiluchim around the world. Lets just agree we cannot agree.
Dofi: Well not exactly….Most computer scientists would consider January 83 as the official start of what we know today as ” the Internet” For over a decade prior to that time, there were various computer “intranet” networks of varying scale that did not have a standard way to communicate with each other. The creation and commercial availablility of a new communications protocol called Transfer Control Protocol/Internetwork Protocol (TCP/IP) is generally considered the starting point although I’m sure there are other milestone dates earlier that could be invoked. But I’m equally sure Al Gore will take credit for those as well.
The internet. Al Gore rarely gets credit for his role in the most transformational technology since Guttenberg and the printing press.
Huju: There is a regular cadre of “virtual maalachim” lurking here in the YWN who are totally dismissive of a large segment of the Jewish population, including MO, OO, Conservative, reform and even some whose frumkeit index or hashkafah is “questionable” using their metrics. (Indeed, they take issue with referring to them as “Yidden”). I assume that several of them believe they represent toras Moshe M’Sinai in its purest form and it is their obligation to enforce a strict discipline and call out apikorsus wherever it may be suggested. That includes branding ALL those who vote for Democratic candidate or subscribe to a Democratic party perspective on some issues as apikorsim, “rats” and other childish Trump-like name calling. While some are simply trolling there are some who must be truly frustrated that the Mods don’t ban those posters who express views contrary to their hashkafah so they must work assiduously to “flag” such heresy.
Your comment about the incredible work of Chabad with Yidden of all persuasions is indicative of the reality of the world most of us live in that is a bit less Judgemental and considerably more open to bringing yidden back to yiddeshkeit than calling out their failures. As someone who has likely visited as many chabad centers around the world as any CR poster (who does not work directly for 770) I am amazed at the failure of the Litvish velt to recognize their contributions to yiddeshkeit but quick to battle over moishichist issues.YaakovD: Fuentes an his AFPAC group have openly advocated for turning America into a “White Christian nation”. He is also one of the leaders of the Groyper and American Identity Movement, two umbrella groups of white nationalists who seek to normalize racism and anti-semitism and make it a part of mainstream conservative political ideology. Their admiration for Putin, Urban of Hungary and several other contemporary despots is rooted in part to their own versions of “white Christian nationalism” and embrace of extremist racist views.
UJM: You are 100 percent correct…perhaps I should have said in the “Soviet Orbit” or closely aligned with the Soviet Union.
“IF we acted as you said then Messiach would come and we would have to come with millions of unemployed pundits, politician wannabees and self-proclaimed social media stars who would have nothing to do and would be quite annoyed with us”
You neglected to mention the CR Mods whose mesiras nefesh for over a decade would all have been for naught
If the Republicans regain the House in 2022, as I expect they will, don’t be surprised if some of these right wing crazies (MGT, Gosar, Cawthorn, Boebert etc.) gain additional traction and credibility. Once McCarthy realized they had tacit support from Trump, he quickly tempered his criticism and now just holds his nose and remains silent so as not to antagonize the boss.
“Trump may have said some anti-semitic remarks but look at his actions (he was good for Israel, freed Rebashkin and some other frum Jews etc.
I can’t believe anyone thinks Trump’s last minute pardons to some well-connected Jewish felons who spent big dollars on lawyers and lobbyists is a reason to ignore his blatant racism and implicit support for white nationalists and extreme right wing evangelicals whose anti-semitic theology is a bad as it gets. His recent dark turn towards demonizing Netanyahu shows how quickly he will turn on his “friends” when they defy his lust for adulation. He will throw his own “Jewish” children under the bus (and back it up a few times) if it will serve his maniacal craze to regain power.
“If you have a supplier out of state you can get them if you pick them up”
As of January 1st, the law bans both the sale of styrofoam products as well as the use of such products in foodservice (with a few narrow exceptions for egg containers, etc.). The enforcement efforts for the first several months will be warnings followed by actual fines beginning later in the Spring.
Do any of you geopolitical gurus its just about Ukraine?? There about ten FORMER member states of the Soviet Union already participating in NATO and Putin has made clear his paranoia and illusions of grandeur to rebuild the former Russian empire have no bounds. Will the next target be Latvia, Lithuania etc.? Appeasing this madman with concessions on future strategic options for European security will have real consequences.
AAQ: Sorry, commas can be important….surprisingly, our kids came out of college more frum in some respects than when they went in (and also considerably more conservative politically). I’ll acknowledge thats probably an anomaly, given the Pew numbers you cite.
“Paul Gosar and MTG spoke at a pro Russia white nationalist event led by well known anti semite Nick Fuentes. This is not the first time they have attended such an event. ”
Both claimed they “did not know” that Fuentes is a rabid white supremacist and anti-Semite. Sound familiar??
Does anyone remember Trump’s absurd claim just before Super Tuesday back in 2016 primaries that he “knows nothing” about former KKK leader David Duke, America’s most well known white supremacist and initially refused to disavow Duke’s endorsement of his candidacy.
When confronted by reporters about Duke, Trump claimed ignorance multiple times:“Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. okay? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know anything”
“I don’t know, did he endorse me or what’s going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about. …
“I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.”
Then, after denying he had refused to disavow Duke’s endorsement (in an interview readily available on tape) , his campaign ultimately did issue a rejection of Duke and white supremacists…..only to be followed months later by his even more memorable assertion that “there are good people on BOTH sides” after the Nazi march in Charlottesville.
Do Gosar and MTG believe that Fuentes one of those “Good Nazis”??I guess much depends on your hashkafah and whether you subscribe to the notion that its fundamentally assur to put yourself in a situation where you might be exposed to apikorsus or other “bad stuff”. My kids went through both college and grad school and neither came home with a nonjewish spouse wearing a Chev Guevara t-shirt.
P.S. Very informative and civil thread.Most traditional Dems know they have a growing number of crazies on their left (including some unquestionable anti-Semites claiming to be anti-Israel). Some of our regular right-wing zealots invoke their regular mantras that all Dems are communists, apikorsim, anti-semitim etc. but kvel when their Trump acolytes engage in some truly outrageous behavior, post blatantly racist and anti-Semitic memes , etc. and attend white racist/supremacist gatherings while claiming they had “no idea” of their sponsorship. The GOP as we know it has been transformed into the party of Trump whoever adulates Donald is OK no matter what else they may have said or done.
AAQ/AVD: Valid points. I guess I’m coming at it from the perspective of a young man/woman who is already at the “higher maturity” point. As noted, large numbers of frum yidden have successfully navigated the 4 year on-site college experience w/o going OTD.
I won’t speculate as to their losing a full chelek of olam habah from having sat through a lecture on evolution, court decisions on same-sex marriage or other “bad ideas” but respectfully disagree that the risks parallel those of a free fall from the GWB.
BTW: Those same “bad ideas” could just as easily be communicated in an online lecture as would be presented in a “live” lecture in a campus lecture hall.Dovidlel: People came to CPAC to hear about Republicans’ vision for the future. Instead, more than 45 minutes out of a 1hr 20 minute speech was just the same blather about the 2020 election being stolen from him, an assertion dismissed by every judge who heard any of the 63 unsuccessful lawsuits making such allegations, including over a dozen judges HE appointed. One of the funniest points of tonight’s rant was his whining about his own Supreme Court justice appointees disappointing him. His only “policy prescriptions” were the usual hyperbole about “making America great again” and eliminating civil service protections for federal employees who disagree with him (aka the “deep state”). If you came for “entertainment”, it was the usual Trump MAGA circus. If you were hoping for a serious discussion of conservative policy issues, you should be asking for a refund. On the positive side, at least he did (albeit indirectly), criticize Putin and the invasion of Ukraine and did not repeat his comments earlier in the week calling him a “genius” etc.
“Show me a gemora advocating purposefully sampling everything..”
AAQ: I’ve never tried blowfish (aka pufferfish”) sushi and really never had a yearning to do so. Aside from its obvious treifus (no scales) rumor has it that about 15 sushi addicts die annually from ingesting improperly prepared nagiri. Likewise, I’ve not tried base jumping off the GWB even though it supposedly a real “high”.
Simple point: I wouldn’t put the idea of attending in-person college classes in the category of some high risk endeavor. Until the past several years, it was (and remains) the norm. Whether it works for a frum young man or woman is entirely a personal decision depending on hashkafah, age, family circumstances, available economic resources, etc.“Gadol’s approach to disregard the risk entirely sounds like an ostrich policy that failed in previous generations…”
AAQ: While I am obviously more open to “risk” than others here, I’ve never advocated “disregarding risk entirely” (especially given the large percentage of my waking hours advising clients on financial and geopolitical risk management). For the last time, my point is that for those unsure of their hashkafah or insecure in their ability to avoid what you might consider “pritzus” or inappropriate intellectual dialogue, than an online college education is certainly preferable than avoiding college entirely. For others, in-person learning may be a preferable option. There is no “right” or “wrong” for everyone. Its safe to say that hundreds of thousands of frum yidden in the past decades have successfully navigated 4 years of college w/o going OTD.Reb E. Thank you for a beautiful vert which raises the eternal question of when the pursuit of material “stuff” goes beyond that deemed necessary for you and your family to enjoy a comfortable life and instead becomes an accelerating treadmill and an “end” unto itself.
“corrupt radical feminist agenda”
You neglected to note some of my less attractive qualities such as occasionally misreading a post, which obviously was the case here. Perhaps we are saying something not all that different. A marriage, unless coerced, typically begins with mutual love and respect Beyond that, building a bayis ne’man b’yisroel requires that BOTH parties must work to retain and enhance the mutual respect which is the foundation of enduring shalom bayis. My narrow point,which I’m sure many will disagree with, is that it should not be the type of “respect” derived from a submissive, misogynistic or subordinate relationship.But in fairness, I try to mix them up occasionally …..
“…a husband is entitled to basic respect just by dint of being a person, and a person who is in a spousal relationship…(slight edit by Mods) ”
Not clear what was edited out or reprhased but the concept of symmetry was noticeably absent from your comment. Presumably, you would agree that BOTH parties in a “spousal relationship” enter that relationship by virtue of love and mutual respect for one another and hopefully that respect grows and is reinforced every day through their treatment of one another. Of course, every individual is entitled to basic respect until their words and actions directed towards their spouse, peers, etc. result in a loss of that respect. I obviously misread one of the earlier posts implying that men have an entitlement to respect simply by virtue of their gender abstracted entirely from their treatment of others.
@Dofi: Please get a thesaurus and come up with some new adjectives to insert before your references to POTUS.
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Forum Role: Participant“Feminists made it that women don’t have to respect their husbands…”
So true. First they asked to be allowed to leave the kitchen for a few hours a day. Then they wanted to go outside the house on one or two days other than shabbos. That was followed by their getting an education and pursuing a career. Its been downhill ever since.
Respect is EARNED, not a default position obtained by virtue of gender.
edited“You took him out of context..”
With Trump, there is no “context”. Have you ever heard one of his call-ins to Fox & Friends or one of the conservative talk-radio shows. Its a non-stop, free-flowing rant combining self-adulatory hyperbole, fiction with no beginning or end. The “hosts” or “anchors” rarely interrupt when he fails to answer a question or goes off on a tangent and even when they do, he just talks right over them. At various times, he has expressed admiration, “Love”, great respect etc. for the world’s greatest tyrants and despots, including the leaders of China, Russia, North Korea, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Brazil.
“80% of American Jews aren’t religious so who cares about their silly political views …
One of the more breathtakingly stupid comments posted recently. Unless you are living in a cave or your own version of a political echo chamber, you should care a lot since they will exert a lot more control over the lives of yidden in the U.S. and EY than your 20 percenters. Even among the latter, there is a considerable divergence among those hold by “traditional” and conservative values but share the disgust and contempt held by the 80 percenters for the #45.
“But online college .. .might protect from wild parties and bad ideas”.
Sorry to break the bad news, but your fantasies about “wild parties” are a bit exaggerated. Millions of young men and women have managed to get through 4 years of college and graduate without ever having experienced the kind of crazy stuff that shows up in the evening news occasionally and in those “Spring Break” movies. Between keeping ups with their courses and working to pay tuition in many cases, there really is little, if any time for “partying”.
As to being exposed to “bad ideas”, I would respectfully suggest that part of the college experience for ALL students should be the ability to evaluate a broad spectrum of beliefs and ideas and learn how to make decisions for oneself as to the validity of competing positions. In-person learning provides considerably more opportunity to discuss and debate ideas with other students than a sidebar “chat” with other students on a zoom call.Seventy seven (77) percent of American Jewis voted for Biden. Most still believe that he has managed the Ukraine situation better than his predecessor ever would have.
Think of all the chesed that could be accomplished by reprogramming the hundreds of millions of NIS spent travelling and partying in Uman to serious needs in EY
Crazy Horse: Yup….It would be funny, if not tragic, to watch principled Republicans who have been demanding the strongest possible sanctions against Putin suddenly doing a 180 degree shift once they heard Trump calling Putin a good friend, a “genius”, etc. and praising the invasion as a “brilliant strategic move”. A bunch of obsequious, gutless hacks.
Republican Committee and campaign advisors have urged members of Congress to stay “silent for now” on how to respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine until Trump decides how he will come down on the issue between his admiration for Putin and wanting to boast that nothing happened on his watch. Those who previously called for a strong response and sanctions are suddenly silent waiting for the Trumpkopf to set the party line. Going into the primary season,no Republican politician would dare contradict him even if he ends up supporting Putin.
The vast majority of Ukrainian citizens (outside of the two eastern “breakaway” areas) have zero interest in becoming part of Russia or even becoming part of a Russian “sphere of influence”. They and their economy have thrived, notwithstanding long-standing corruption, while allied with the West. Not clear this really matters to someone like Putin.
AAQ: Your quote from R’Twersky is really important. In the current world context, hard to tell which tyrants are acting “rationally’ while concurrently obsessed (aka addicted) to illusions of grandeur, perceived persecution, outlandish aspirations etc.
A constructive question – anyone knows good short term learning options for post high school girls?
A great question. And the answer is YES. Its called “college” and is available to both “intown” girls and “OOT girls”. They provide great learning opportunities which allow young women to obtain a degree and a good paying job. There a “colleges” such as Stern College for Women in NYC which offer a quality secular education along with limudei kodesh. There are also programs available for college women who want to pursue limudei kodesh in small women-only groups while attending a secular college. Not all post-high school “girls” want to stay home, socialize and help their mothers. Some may choose to use their education and good paying job to help support a husband who want to be a full-time learner for several years before starting a family. Others may decide to be part of a family where both parents work and share family responsibilities. The point is there are multiple options available today and a year at a very expensive seminary in EY is not the only path.
UJM, are you sure you aren’t the old Joey??
“Get a (good) online degree, get a respectable job to feed your family. Then, you can divide remaining time between learning, teaching your kids, and trying risky ventures in Amazon selling and real estate to become richer….’
Thats one strategy. Alternatively, if you are just starting out and have the discipline, consider applying to a good college and pursuing an advanced degree in business, law, engineering, medicine or any of dozens of professions where you can earn a really good and predictable income without the risk of trying to resell chotchkis on Amazon or flipping real estate. It is increasingly possible in today’s job market to have a flexible work schedule, that would allow time for family and learning.
I know no one here are נביאים
And how do you know that?? Some of the CR geonim have a reasonably good track record on their geopolitical prognostications.
BOTH parties have totally miscalculated Putin’s resolve to be remembered as having restored Russia’s cold-war power as defined by the geographic extent of its sphere of influence. While he may not succeed in bringing back all the Eastern European countries under the Russian umbrella, he clearly is counting on Western fears of a nuclear war to allow him to add additional real estate to the new Russian empire.
The same “doom and gloom” investment gurus have been predicting Armageddon for two decades or longer. Using classic value investment metrics (P/E, P/S, P/B, PEG etc) the market today, on an inflation adjusted basis, is actually cheaper (i.e. more rationally priced) than it was during prior “bubbles’. In simple terms, you can buy a dollar’s worth of S&P 500 company normalized profits today for less than you could 5, 10 or 20 years ago. Obviously, there were Covid-related bubbles in a subset of stocks like Zoom, Peleton Docu, etc. which have recently been substantially deflated. These companies never had real profits for any sustained period so it was really hard to value them. Also, the various Crypto related stocks are in a bubble of their own but have come down more than 50% in the past several months. Otherwise, the rest of the market is trading quite well and reasonably price for a rising interest rate, mega geopolitical risk environment.
“Its a side effect of TDS”
Side effect?? Its a primary symptom….just like ‘long Covid” (with a plea for mechilah from those talmedi chachamim who live in the zip code but outside of the walls of the palace)
“A vaccine mandate for all companies with more than 100 employees was b”h ruled unconstitutional…”
Screwdriver: Tighten those screws a bit and don’t credit the Ebeshter for something that didn’t happen. The Supreme Court did NOT rule that the vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees was “unconstitutional”. The Court did find that OSHA, which regulates workplace safety for the Labor Department, issued the mandate under its emergency power established by Congress rather than under a notice and comment APA rulemaking (which would have required 12-18 months) The Court found that the generic vaccination rule, as a broad public health rule, did not fall within the emergency authorities granted by Congress to regulate workplace safety and a more narrowly focused rule would have to be adopted using regular APA rulemaking process.