frumnotyeshivish

I didn’t say Touro was responsible – I said they’re famous for the scandal. That lowers the respect for a Touro degree in the world. Calling someone not frum for stating a fact that is not in any way Lashon Hora, even if it unpleasant for you to hear it, is silly. Furthermore, any undergraduate degree is significantly less valuable than it used to be. That was my point. If the career you choose happens to assign a disproportionate value (relative to other careers) to an undergraduate degree – good for you.

yitayningwut – We don’t all know that. The point of oc53:18 is that caring about the color of one’s clothes or the type of one’s footwear in public can be an indicative sign of apikorsus. The Mesorah would seem to be clear that worrying about how others perceive your clothing is not a Torah value EVEN if you misguidedly think that it help your Yiras Shomayim (not that if it helps your yiras shomayim you should necessarily stop – m’toch shelo lishma ba lishma but you should know that the source is not holy). As to the Hevdel, a Yarmulkah is as big a hevdel as you could make – much bigger than a white shirt.

PBA – what don’t you get? it has been proven to be better, not only for the “herd” but for the individual. The few, if any, possible remote adverse effects from select immunizations, are significantly less severe and/or less likely to happen, then what could happen w/o the vaccine. This is proven, tested, fact. What tests did you run? Doctors would otherwise be under oath not to administer vaccines, as the first and primary part of the Hippocratic oath is to do no harm. That means, a Doctor is NOT ALLOWED to do ANYTHING not in the interest of the INDIVIDUAL patient. The ends would not justify the means. What that means, is when the AMA and/or FDA approve a vaccine, it must be proven to have an overall positive effect. The proof criteria is rigid and objective. The results must be repeated. WHERE’S YOUR RESEARCH? On what basis do you refute the accepted researched fact? As to free will and choice for parents, yes you have free will to willfully neglect your children on the basis of your feelings, but, barring a religious need, which need not be medically explained, and which according to Judaism this isn’t, society may have a responsibility to your children’s well-being which precludes your right to stupidities. If, for example, a mother decides, that she knows, that not giving her infant anything to eat or drink every other day, is beneficial to her infants health, would you not feel the responsibility to give the poor kid some food? The fact that food is good, is not up for discussion, unless you have some pretty good evidence to the contrary. Until you do, not giving your child food every day, is child abuse. Similarly, not giving your child a readily available vaccine, when there is unrefuted and undeniable evidence that it is significantly good for your child, is child abuse. If a parent chooses to exercise their free choice in a way that abuses their child, with no justifiable rationale, at the very least they must be stopped.

The question is not how long a person has been looking for facts, or in how many places they have seen or heard their facts, but whether the facts are true. There are many, many, stubborn, semi-literate, know-it-alls, who have “all” the answers, and who did “all” the research. If a person’s doctor g-d forbid tells them that they have cancer and chemo is their only hope, (hopefully) they would listen. The same Doctor knows nothing when it comes to vaccines. There’s no money in chemo? Or no idiots espousing opinions about things they don’t understand… How many double-blind controlled studies have they read about proving their point? How many proving the other way? The overwhelming scientific research shows that each vaccine is not only better for society, but better for each individual who takes it. Otherwise they don’t get approved! Nothing other than g-d is perfect, but would you prefer the opinion based on observable and objective facts, in studies administered by bright trained people who have spent their whole lives working on that and similar issues? Or would you prefer what your neighbor’s mother-in-law’s cousin heard from the best doctor in Tibet’s son’s fiance?

In beis din he would not be killed as there were no eidim no hasroah and they would not believe his confession. I find it truly disturbing that so many frum yidden are so focused on the psychopath. Does everyone not realize that it was a message from God? True this psychopath was the shliach, and if the true judge deems him guilty, believe me, he will suffer, but if he wouldn’t have done it, someone else would have. Anger at what happened, is anger at God. If God would have wanted to stop it, he most definitely could have. Instead of lashing out at the messenger, try to get the message! What is Hashem telling us? If you are not sure (which I think most of us are not), do tshuva. Learn mishnayos leilluy nishmaso. Learn some mishnayos leilluy nishmoscha. Say some tehillim. Help someone. But STOP! STOP! obsessing about what will happen to the messenger. It’s silly, petty, and borderline kfira!

The yeshiva in Waterbury has a deal with post university in Waterbury where you can earn a bachelors in business in just over a year, provided you spend two years in (that?) yeshiva. They accept 60 yeshiva credits require 48 credits taken by them (they give classes on the yeshiva grounds). the remaining 12 can be taken via CLEP or similar. It can be done more quickly by simultaneously taking post online classes.