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WIY – SHOCKING! You can find juicy stuff about a public figure through GOOGLE?? NO WAY!!
I didn’t vote for Obama, although it’s prob just because of all the negative talk I’ve heard about him through other sources, and I have a feeling if he were the exact same person only white, this conversation would be very different….
Oh, and I haven’t seen the dental records yet on Obama’s fourth filling in his right incisor yet; Mr. Trump, could you get on that please? After all, if you don’t agree with someone politically, he must be a lie and a cheat. And charities clearly only want your money if you’re buddy-buddy with the president.
I’ll give justhaving the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn’t just post that….Go Ravens! Caw!
I’ll burn that bridge when I come to it.
Glad I was able to begin with a little ender, and also glad there have bean (note the ‘a’) others who know this great title. Movie release 2013!
The enemy’s gate is down.
a man a plan a canal panama
if you read this line backwards you will find your love today, but if you don’t share it with your friends, your eyes will burn out.
That’s no moon…
Haha! You just compromised your location with that post, silly human! Prepare to be assimilated.
realist – they are both nouns; yiras shamayim is an emotion (fear of Gd), y’rei shamayim is a person (one with fear of Gd). You are correct that y’rei shamayim is more appropriate.
mogold – In my opinion, there is a huge difference between someone who makes a simple typo and someone who lacks the fundamental skills to write a grammatically correct sentence.
Chassidishe – Keep preaching.
I hate winter. It’s time for hibernation – I’ll speak to you in May.
Most black hats fulfill the minimum requirements for a sukkah, so if the girl thinks the guy might not be frum enough to wear a black hat on the date, she should bring one to the date to provide him with the opportunity to fulfill this mitzvah. The guy should bring cookies baked by his mother so that he can make a leishev, but she should MAKE the leishev because you obviously wouldn’t trust the bracha of a guy without a black hat. And he should wear heels for pirsumei nisah.
WIY – my screen name appears differently to all who gaze upon it, so if that is how it appears to you, then that is correct for you.
“Someday we’ll find it, the rainbow connection, the lovers, the dreamers, and me.” – The Little Green Guy
Mine is pronounced “Ker-mut”, as in the little green guy.
pashuteh – I don’t know if anybody on this thread is still interested, but I just heard your vort last night, and it was presented as the gematria vort that you parenthetically mentioned. That said, I don’t believe it’s true until someone counts them out for me. Frankly, I think gematrias are generally extremely flimsy; they are often wrong, even by more than the “off-by-one” rule (which in and of itself drastically reduces the impressiveness of gematria in general).
I don’t see any reason to claim the gemara is not superfluous, or even that it has no mistakes. I think it has extreme value and teaches us a many important lessons, but I personally believe that labeling something as ‘infallible’ when there is no reason to do so just causes problems that otherwise would not have existed.
ill_be_strong – Well said. And thank you for the compliments. However…although you are correct that person A may not have kept up with the average, and in fact there is pretty much a 50% chance that he did NOT, in order for the probability to continue decreasing as the generations progress, as you have shown may occur between gen 1 and gen 2, his children would also need to be significantly beaten by the average, and their children, and their children, etc. Statistics’ greatest friend is large numbers – because there have been so many generations since Yishmael lived, the overall expected probability has become more and more likely to occur; in all likelihood, about half of the generations had fewer than average number of children, and the other half had more (and a minute few were dead on with average). For this reason, it is EXTREMELY likely that every person of arab ethnicity, and perhaps every person in the world, is in one way or another a direct descendant of Yishmael.
Ok, last try, then I give up:
Let’s take your numbers, i.e. 1 in 10,000 first gen, which we will call gen 1, and the next gen, gen 2, contains 20,000 individuals. How many children did each person in gen 1 have (on average)? That’s right, 4 (not 2!). 10,000 people means there were 5,000 COUPLES, and if gen 2 has 20,000 individuals, each person in gen 1 had 4 children. So if the odds of Yishmael being in gen 1 are 1:10000, the odds of Yishmael having descendants in gen 2 are 4:20000, or 1:5000. So although the entire population increases by a factor of 2, Yishmaelites increase by a factor of 4.
Let us now assume that Yishmael and every person in the world continues at this same rate of multiplying by 2 every generation (i.e. each couple has 4 children apiece) for the rest of time (and to be dramatic we will assume every yishmaelite marries outside yishmael – in reality this is obviously not the case, but the point is still generally true – if you don’t get this part, ignore it). So the odds for each generation will be….
Gen 1 – 1:10000=1:10000
Gen 2 – 4:20000=1:5000
Gen 3 – 16:40000=1:2500
Gen 4 – 64:80000=1:1250
Gen 5 – 256:160000=1:625
Gen 6 – 1024:320000=1:313
Gen 7 – 4096:640000=1:156
Gen 8 – 16384:1280000=1:78
Gen 9 – 65536:2560000=1:39
Gen 10 – 262144:5280000=1:20
Gen 11 – 1048576:10240000=1:10
Gen 12 – 4194304:20480000=1:5
Gen 13 – 16777216:40960000=1:2
Gen 14 – 67108864:81920000=1:1
So…..assuming Yishmaelites continually marry non-yishmaelites, every single person in the world will be a descendant of yishmael by gen 14/15. In reality, there have been easily more than one hundred generations since he lived, so even if the VAST, VAST majority of marriages remained amongst yishmaelites, most arabs (and perhaps most people?) today are descendants of yishmael.
Nomtw – Lol, that’s pretty darn tall! I’m 5′ 10″ so your scenario would make her at least as tall as me; but hey, why not? Heels are cool, and if I’m attracted to her otherwise, I don’t think heels will make or break it.
ill_be_strong – My point is that those 2 original numbers, the 1 and the 10,000, are not multiplying separately. THEY HAVE THE SAME DESCENDANTS. Homo sapiens is not an asexual species (until the cloning begins :D); therefore, each parent must share parenthood of a child with another parent.
Allow me to elaborate on shein’s point: Imagine four people, A, B, C and D. (Imagine A represents our Yishmael.)
A marries B and they have children 1 & 2, C marries D and they have children 3 & 4.
1 marries 3. 2 marries 4. All of their children are descendants of each of A, B, C and D.
So although other people existed in A’s generation, all of the people two generations later are A’s descendants.
If there were 10,000 people at the time of Yishmael, there is only a 1 in 5,000 chance that someone from the immediately following generation would be a descendant of Yishmael’s (each member of this generation would have 2 parents from the preceding generation, thus multiplying the odds pretty much by 2). But with each succeeding generation, the odds of being from one specific member of that original generation increase dramatically. And there have been at least a hundred generations since Yishmael lived.
Another way to show this: You have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great-greats…etc. So by the time you get back to Yishmael’s generation, each of us likely descends from pretty much every single person who lived on the planet at the time and had children.
WIY and 2scents – I think you are misunderstanding iced’s question (he/she can correct me if I am wrong). He is not complaining that this vinegar-free horseradish is being sold in the supermarket and that Jews are consequently being nichshal – he is simply getting people’s input on whether HIS minhag would allow him to have this horseradish or not – i.e. if others have the same minhag as he does, do they eat this product? Or, a question even for those without this minhag, do people think that based on the principle of this minhag, which clearly has to do with eating foods that are simanim for a sweet year and refraining from those that are bitter/sour, would HE be allowed to make an exception for this product which is less sour than your standard horseradish?
iced – I don’t know. Good question. You def won’t go to gehinom, either way, and I doubt G-d will condemn you to a bitter year for having horseradish, but it is your family minhag, which certainly has some weight. Try your local orthodox rabbi?
feif +1
Jothar – if I were the guy (and I very well may have been; I hate the cold), I would have pushed you out the window. You wouldn’t be able to blame me for it, either, based on your own argument. 😉
I was hoping your thread would be about fantasy football….
mischief – I’ve never tried it, so I don’t know.
But seriously, depends what you mean by ‘a lot’. I generally like the makeup look, and rarely notice there being too much. If it looks good, I like it. But this is one of those preference things – every guy likes something different (I’ve discovered that with my friend who keeps trying to set me up with people I’m not attracted to). And some guys don’t like makeup at all.
I agree – if you believe that it’s important for your child to have long peyos, then why wouldn’t you have them yourself, too? But when I see that a kid has them and his father doesn’t, I usually assume it is either the child’s preference or some stupid school rule (although there is plenty of bad parenting out there, so who knows).
I heard he wanted to name his third child “Football” but Hashem told him not to because the world wasn’t ready yet.
She wears a size 16 because she just ate and ate.
The woman kept her purse open because she heard there would be some change in the weather.
A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says, “So what’s with the long face?”
I hear this new cemetery is very popular. People are just dying to get in.
The actor playing the astronaut was killed by a shooting star.
Two fish were in a tank. One said to the other, “Do you know how to drive this thing?”
TCG – You are right that the other two planes are not given enough attention when it comes to 9/11 memorial. I think zahavasdad’s reasons for this correct, but I think one of the main reasons people focus on the WTC is that the twin towers were such an icon of America – it’s just such an easy image to recall that NY skyline with those magnificent buildings towering above. I don’t live in NY but I still saw the twin towers in this way. The pentagon’s architecture is definitely notable but it does not quite evoke the same magnificence as the twin towers did.
Question for women: Do you see the man’s role in marriage as being something of the ‘leader’, someone to whom the woman looks up to in a certain sense and to whom she can look to for guidance in a way that he can not look to her? To me, this seems like something that should be left behind in the 19th century. I’m not expecting this to be a unanimous vote but I am interested in hearing what people have to say on the matter.
gavra_at_work: don’t you mean live and let die? (That seems so familiar for some reason….)
I don’t KNOW, but I believe.
Darn it! I clicked on the wrong thread again!
Really? Are you saying the greatness of a woman is determined by the greatness of her husband? What about the great women who didn’t marry?
I was in 10th grade. It was right after shacharis, and there was some word spreading through the halls about a plane crashing into the twin towers. At first, I figured “big deal”, so a couple stupid people crash their private jet into the buildings and end up killing themselves (and I figured nobody else got hurt). Then we heard about the second plane, and then about the collapse…
I play starcraft, but I have respect for the wow community. Does your wife have any single sisters?
harotzeh, if your rabbi told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? I find it pitiable that you find people using their own brains laughable. Do the talmidei chachamim of our generation have more Torah knowledge than you and me? Certainly. Do they have a better understanding of the world around us? Possibly. But even if Moses himself told you to do something, don’t you think G-d gave you a brain to actually use it and decide if that commandment makes any sense? I completely understand and agree with having a rav and relying on his Torah knowledge for decisions, and when the available choices make sense in my own mind I will of course follow the rav’s. But to listen when what he’s saying is completely counter to everything my brain tells me about the way the world works? Why would I treat the tools G-d gave me with such worthlessness? And frankly, I’m not trying to say anything negative about anyone, but since when is ANYONE in our generation an undisputed leader of klal yisroel?
And as for those complaining about hearing half (or maybe false) quote of R’ Steinman, you’re absolutely correct, we don’t know what he really said, but I don’t have a problem arguing with the statement, regardless of whether it was actually said or not.
vochindik – No, no, no, you got it all wrong. He’s actually a CR mod, and wanted to see if any of her friends would talk about it in the CR, and THAT’S why she failed the test.
Wikipedia:
Murphy’s law is an adage or epigram that is typically stated as: “Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong”.
I keep trying to remember if I’ve ever been at a wedding where we did the hora to a four beat song; now that you say it, I probably have without realizing it. That’s pretty funny. Is the hora an Arabic dance?
The chareidim believe that as soon as all jewish men sit down and learn, everything else will be okay. Leave real jobs to the stupid goyim who somehow believe this world is actually worth bettering and preserving. HA! Silly goyim, so cute sometimes, don’t you just want to pinch their cheeks?
After all, the best way to deal with problems is to ignore them.
musser zoger +1
I think it’s right near the part where pi = 3.0 and sqrt(2) = 1.40
It’s highly important that these so-called jews who use iphones be ostracized and banned from the almost-Utopian society known as Eretz Yisroel. After all, peace, happiness, and supreme moral standards are defining characteristics of the people of this land. If only these rasha’im would part with these demonic devices, Moshiach would surely come. I’m so glad the ‘gedolim’ were perceptive enough to find this last bastion of evil residing in our midst and put an end to it.