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How odd to revive a year-old thread. Having said that, it’s irresponsible for the original poster should even repeat this “psak,” without more details.

I guess I’m glad things turned around, but how does someone develop such deep hatred for another Jew?

A mamin, dont know if you noticed but CI Boy first posted 6 months ago and from what I can tell has not commented on any of ther recent posts.

I buy the bottle that says D3 on it, and use 5000 units as well

How many bochurim you know hold on to a hat for six years? How many adults really want to wear the same hat for that amount of time.

Daas Yachid, I think you are missing the point on this. People who don’t earn money have no expectations that they should spend more of someone else’s money, especially their parents. IYH when they grow up and decide to work, then they can spend their money as they wish, but it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to expect someone else to pay more for your expensive tastes. If you don’t feel that way, then perhaps you grew up in the same mindset of “it’s coming to me.”

yayin, and so when you see someone with a low quality shirt, what is your opnion of that person? Do you judge by the quality of his shirt? What if that is what he can afford? I don’t know how old you are, but I’m close to 50 and been around awhile and I do not engage in such a petty pastime as studying the quality of the clothes of people in shul. If someone is wearing a nice tie or suit I may compliment it, but to be able to distinguish the quality of a shirt or hat, is mudenna.

I take a multivitamin and vitamin D3. People don’t eat enough of the good foods to supply them with all the vitamins they need. While it may be the most natural way to do it, it’s not the most efficient.

I would think people would like to replace a hat every couple of years so why not save the money for that occasion rather than spend a lot on one that lasts longer than your tastes? From my personal experience, I buy a hat based on how good it looks on me, not the brand. Maybe that’s simplistic but getting hung up on brand names just limits your choices. I’ve seen enough people wearing hats that to me don’t look good on them. I guess they feel differently, but it was seem a shame to spend a lot of money on a hat that doesn’t enhance your appearance.

I do not doubt that the families don’t go overboard, but I think the mothers and/or the boys do. How do you define “Torahdik,” and quantify “most” and how would you know their expectations? It would be pretty embarrassing to actually broadcast their expectations, but in private discussion, you may get a different picture. I have been involved in shidduchim and have been shocked by some of the expectations. In one example that I heard, a very simple living family with a lot of daughters, the mother said because she has lots of girls, she is “looking for the best deal” for her sons. How many shidduchim don’t proceed because of the promised support is not what the boy’s family is looking for. But I digress, if this Borsalino hat thing is such a big deal, why not make a takana that boys shouldn’t wear them, so the poor ones shouldn’t feel bad. Why is such a takana any different from the ones made on weddings?

MDG, Bingo! Basically, it seems boys, or rather their mothers, put up a sign, “Poor Girls Need Not Apply.”

Of course the parents should do their part, but considering how many hours a day a child spends in school, and how they develop relationships with rebbeim, there is a good chance rebbeim could have more influence on the child than the parents.

I’m not even putting the onus on the rebbeim, but they certainly can incorporate middos and other values into their day, don’t you agree?

Somehow, I don’t think parents are encouraging their kids to buy things they can’t afford, so not sure I understand your apple point.

Gavra, thank you for your eloquent posts. I do disagree that it’s too late to retrain a boy of 13. What is necessary is for yeshivos to be more proactive with their bachurim, and I see little indication of that. It could be because many of the people they hire as rebbeim themselves don’t hold the values described in the biography. Without opening another can of worms, from what I can see, yeshivos don’t have a class on middos or hashkafa that would instill boys with better values.

Daas Yochid, people who don’t earn money of their should not expect to spend others’–namely their parents–for the sake of vanity. Doesn’t sitting in yeshiva teach them anything, or have they been instilled with a sense of entitlement? When you were growing up, did you expect your folks to buy you whatever your heart desires, even if they could not afford it? Saying they are just human beings is cop out and seems to suggest that following a Torah way of life has little impact on the way they conduct their lives. Otherwise, this would not be an issue. My parents were poor and I never expected anything beyond what they could afford to give and was grateful for all they gave me, and I wasn’t sitting in yeshiva all day.

probably, but you would htink those who want to learn would be on a higher madraiga.

Maybe he needs a lesson that it’s just gashmius and he should expend more of is energy on spiritual matters. I often wonder how yeshiva bochurim can bring themselves to spend so much money on clothes, or even care about it enough to be prompted to contribute to this thread

Another boycott thread? I think the poster’s wife needs a reality check. SHe isn’t the U.S. government which can just print money that it needs, so she has to realize whar her family can afford and live with it.

This boycott is one of the more moronic efforts. Maybe it comes from the prevailing sense of entitlement felt in this country, or a total lack of understanding of what a boycott is. No one should feel that he or she is entitled to a product and therefore should be made affordable.

Oyvey, do you also not sit by when it comes to other issues facing klal Yisroel? I wonder among the people who have posted here are such kanaim when it comes to other issues. People may be moreh heter to go to a mixed gym, but there are also people who are moreh heter in any number of issues, including cheating the government when it comes to taxes or applying to government programs, cheating in business, lashon harah, speaking in shul, and on and on. What about the chilul Hashem when frum people are walked away in handcuffs? I think those things are more harmful to klal Yisroel than if an individual goes to a mixed gym. People can be as machmir as they wish, but who says that makes them better yidden if they fall short in other areas of their practice? So best for a person to focus on himself and not be judgmental of other people. We are not privy to the extent of the schar or onesh for what we do, and it is possible that Hashem may look less kindly at a hypocrite in one’s life than someone who goes to a mixed gym.

Actually, there are many more varieties according to the New York apple website but those are even less availale. I should have added Gala to the above list

I prefer Empire or Macouns. I find the Delicious variety too sweet but I know they are very popular. What prompted the personal question?

Not sure what your’re talking about, Mir

SOunds it. The poster didn’t support the statement with “I’ve been to gyms and people meet all the time” and then refers to something maybe heard on the radio.

I think you have to be more careful about rabbinical supervision in Israel than you do in the U.S. Other than Badatz and chasan sofer there are many,many others, and if you are not living in Israel you cannot be sure that a product is reliable just because it has some rabbinical supervision on that.

based on what do you say it is worse?