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Minhagim do get changed. I have come across a few places in Mishnah Berurah where the Shulchan Aruch says one thing but the Rama says we do differently. There is great deference to custom, but it seems they can change when the powers that be feel it’s appropriate. Interestingly, when it comes to Purim, for example, girls’ schools have their own chagigas and no one would question that, but somehow when it comes to Simchas Torah, any suggestion for a separate celebration is met with resistance because it’s something that hasn’t been done before. Dancing is an expression of joy, and if women want to express their joy for the Torah, why should they be denied that opportunity and told to settle for watching the men do it?
flatbusherParticipantI don’t know how you can quantify how many people, but some surveys put the number in the general population to between 60% to 75%, so I don’t thing 25% to 40% is a tiny minority. Within the frum community it seems a higher percentage (can’t really tell who is wearing contact lenses), but maybe it’s genetic among eastern European Jews or maybe from studying so much
flatbusherParticipantNo one is suggesting that no women enjoy the activities, just as there are probably men who don’t enjoy it as well. I don’t have first-hand experience, but friends of mine said they daven in a minyan where the hakafos are done 1-2-3 purposely because they don’t like shlepped out. My original point was and still is, maybe there are ways they can enjoy it better.
flatbusherParticipant…or lack of any other options but to stay home.
MW13: You see no reason to suggest drastic departures from tradition…of course, you are not a woman you wouldn’t be sensitive enough to think that maybe they could enjoy Simchas Torah in better way than just watching the dancing or eating. I have not heard of any shiur on Simchas Torah for women, and given how we celebrate weddings, it would seem women would enjoy dancing. But, no, as far as the men are concerned, no need to depart from tradition.
flatbusherParticipantJoseph, you said women tell you they enjoy watching men dancing. How did it come about that all these women flock to you to make such a comment? Further, they may say they enjoy it because they see no other option. I wonder if they were given the choice of watching men in circles or dancing themselves, which would they choose?
Epshure: Still waiting to see your sources that it is assur for women to celebrate Simchas Torah other than to watch men dance.
flatbusherParticipantepshure: please cite your sources
flatbusherParticipantIt’s not a feminist issue. I don’t go to concerts, so I don’t know what you are talking about.
flatbusherParticipantI wonder why women have not commented on this topic. I really don’t think it is sacrilegious for them to admit that they don’t enjoy it. My wife generally will stay for part of the hakafos and leave; she said that’s more than enough time to get the feeling. She’s not the only one.
October 9, 2015 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm in reply to: My daughter is in Sem in Israel and I'm scared for her #1111851flatbusherParticipantThis surely challenges a person’s bitachon; Hashem is in control of all situations. As for your daughter, seminaries generally are overly cautious in such situations (I speak from experience with my daughters all having been there) and even if the situation isn’t so scary, they likely will confine them to the seminary walls or just going in groups. So I would just tell you to continue to daven for her safety and that of everyone else in Israel.
flatbusherParticipantEven if they say they enjoy (a small sample at best), how do you know if they wouldn’t enjoy some participatory event better? If at weddings, you told all the women, that they shouldnt dance but just watch the men dance, would these same women say they like that better than dancing themselves?
flatbusherParticipantSquare, if you don’t want to wade through that extraordinarily long response found in that link, I think Modern Orthodoxy is more than the fact someone works or goes to college. Best to illustrate by some example, among the modern orthodox there is a more liberal view of the role of women in halachah, in terms of their involvement. You might find among them women’s minyan or women in leadership positions. In addition, some modern orthodox women may be more relaxed regarding tznius in terms of dress and hair covering. As far as men go, modern orthodox may be more relaxed in terms of dress when it comes to dress for davening (shorts, no hats). In general, MO tend to be more maikil in halachic issues
flatbusherParticipantI agree, Yitzchok. The question is why hasn’t that happened in al these decades? Maybe because powers they be may feel it is too similar to what egalitarians do regarding women. But I suspect women would love it, as opposed to sitting idly (or worse)
flatbusherParticipantWhy do you assume they enjoy it?
flatbusherParticipantWhat exactly is the shaila?
flatbusherParticipantgogogo. you are joking, right?
flatbusherParticipantJust wanted to add, isn’t tashlich also supposed to cast your sins away? How does it differ from Kapporos with a chicken?
flatbusherParticipantI don’t have to be an expert, but it doesn’t supplant davening. And your snide comment so soon after Yom Kippur means maybe you need another chicken
flatbusherParticipantAt the most it’s symbolic. If it truly transfers your sin to the chicken, then why bother davening on Yom Kippur? Without going inside a chicken’s head, how can anyone know whether the chicken has tzaar or not from the process of kapporos?
flatbusherParticipantThat too, but given some shuls never do that anyway, I did clarify with examples.
flatbusherParticipantOn a typical Shabbos, for example, a yeshivish minyan likely won’t sing El-Adon or Kedusha, and even Hallel on those occasions is short on singing
flatbusherParticipantThe library really is a good place. You can sit there as long as you want using the internet and no one will bother you. They also have computers, but you must sign up and wait your time, which is limited.
September 17, 2015 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm in reply to: Eretz Israel for my FIRST TIME!!! ever..! #1104641flatbusherParticipantI went to Israel for the first time more than 20 years ago. I suggest you go on organized tours by Hoffman or others. They charge a fortune for an English tour but it was well worth it and they have many tours that take you to most of the places you would want to see. You can go to kever rochel on your own if you want, with a local bus, but I wouldn’t go to Chevron unless on a tour with an armored bus. I think you could live without Tel Aviv, but do get to Sefas and Tiveria. If you do go to the Tel Aviv,, go to the Diaspora Museum, and don’t forget the Holocaust Museum in Y. By all means, just stroll around Geulah and Meah Shearim for a wonderful feel for the city. My favorite activity was going to the kosel, including the cave tours. Yes, there is kedusah all over Israel, but for me nothing compared with Yerushalayim. Have a wonderful experience.
September 17, 2015 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm in reply to: Pre-Martial advice (for choosanim and kallahs) #1157477flatbusherParticipantIf there is a mechitzah, why is it a tznius problem?
September 17, 2015 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm in reply to: Challenges of making Aliyah and how to overcome them? #1100528flatbusherParticipantI admire people who go on aliyah and make it work. From the several times I have been to Israel, I know I wouldn’t be happy. Hatzlacha in whatever you decide. You need to have a passion to be there, and I think problems aside, that will keep you going.
flatbusherParticipantOh, and I forgot…views on money and spending. I have read that one of the biggest conflicts in marriage have to do with money. Are they both savers? spenders? BH, my wife and I are in perfect agreement on this, but I have heard stories where this can be a big problem if they are not. Also, I think 5 weeks is really not that long to make a lifetime decision.
flatbusherParticipantI agree that one should consider if it’s a comfortable silence or an awkward one. If each of them is comfortable with the silence, then I guess it will be OK. If they do get married, they will have something to talk about, but it sounds like neither of them have much of repertoire of topics outside of the basic marriage-oriented one. If they are talked out, is it possible their dates were all talkies, and no activities? In your list, it seems the discussions didn’t really include any personality issues–likes, dislikes, habits, hobbies, outside interests, fund things they like to do. If they haven’t discussed these things, I suggest they do
flatbusherParticipantI wonder why this thread has been resurrected after SIX years! It boggles the mind why people here dust off these old posts from years back. When I saw the subject, I thought it was a different type of discussion, like wondering why people abandon frumkeit, and I was prepared to comment on that. And I will. I often wondered why it wasn’t enough to just to follow Yiddishkeit according to the letter of the law without compounding it with new takanos based on a halachah. It seems to me that maybe fewer people would go off the derech if following halachah without the extra chumras were not enough, or without demonizing everything as not being frum enough. Somewhere along the line it became accepted practice, the more chumras the better, even if those chumras do little more than making being frum more difficult. Personally, I don’t feel that adding more chumras brings a person closer to Hashem.
flatbusherParticipantSometimes there is no competition say between an extremely bright boy who the rebbi favors and and an average or poor student.
flatbusherParticipantDoes a parent do wrong by playing favorites? My point is that taking special interest in one student when there are other students who can also benefit from the special interest is questionable. The story I cited referred to this rebbi raising money so this student can go to camp. What about other boys in the class whose parents can’t afford to send them to camp. How does taking special interest in one student over others affect one’s self esteem. I know I felt bad when some students were favored, and I am sure I was not alone.
flatbusherParticipantNot only directed to teachers, but to parents of children who are aware of it, But OK
flatbusherParticipantI agree that he did it for his own political agenda–to keep his Jewish constituents happy. His opposition is essentially meaningless since he hasn’t continued to speak out against it or even try to persuade any of his colleagues about how bad the deal is.
flatbusherParticipantI’m surprise this post generated no comment. Is it that playing favorites or torturing non-favorites is acceptable behavior?
flatbusherParticipantRashi in this week’s parsha on lo silbash specifically say the Torah assirs clothing that can lead to toevah. So my point stands, why is so extended to areas such as hair coloring? What was the concern? It’s easy to just assir things.
August 30, 2015 2:20 am at 2:20 am in reply to: Asking to taste the girl's cooking before agreeing to a shidduch #1098274flatbusherParticipantCooking can be both a man and a woman’s job. Many top chefs are men, and there are lot men who are cooks in restaurants and cooks, and since this thread is about tasting cooking, why not limit responses to that area?
August 28, 2015 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm in reply to: Asking to taste the girl's cooking before agreeing to a shidduch #1098266flatbusherParticipantI imaginee is an exception. I know of other husbands that do the cooking as well; just more of them should do it.
flatbusherParticipantBefore committing to any position, a member of Congress should speak to his constitutents. He represents them and should vote according to the majority of those people. Instead, what we have hear is loyalty to Obama. How can anyone read what Iran is saying now about how it will support global terrorism even more now after the deal thanks to the billions it will receive as part of the deal and still support the deal? Nadler must go in the next election, as should all those who vote contrary to the will of the people they represent, which at last survey was 2 to 1 against the deal.
flatbusherParticipantIf she doesn’t want to go, why are you bothering?
August 28, 2015 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm in reply to: Asking to taste the girl's cooking before agreeing to a shidduch #1098263flatbusherParticipantI think if the girl is expected to support her husband in kollel by working, then HE should do the cooking, and the girl should first sample his food before agreeing to date.
flatbusherParticipantThen why is something assur. Is the original assur of beged isha so that men don’t end up mingling with women? Or, what? It’s easy to just declare something assur, but there has to be a reason for it unless this considered a chok.
flatbusherParticipantMentsh: But in this day and age hair coloring is no longer reserved for women. Also, that doesn’t answer the question about the concern that led to the issur and how hair coloring for men extends to it. Is it a concern that if men color their hair, they may…do what?
flatbusherParticipantOK, so what is the concern that would lead to the psak that men coloring hair is beged isha? How is this connected to the original issur of beged isha?
flatbusherParticipantI wrote: Why? Is there a mitzvah to have gray hair?
Daas Moshe responded: No, but that doesn’t mean there’s no issur of beged isha to dye it black.
You also said that restoring hair to its natural color may be assur. I would like to know your reasoning.
flatbusherParticipantDaas Yachid sayid: “I don’t think restoring the original color is any better.”
Why? Is there a mitzvah to have gray hair?
flatbusherParticipantGolfer, can you explain what you mean?
flatbusherParticipantQuite a bit about the deal has come out, and the only thing the U.S. hopes to get out of it is to delay Iran getting bomb. Under the terms of the deal that have been released, Iran has 24 days to prepare for an inspection, plenty of time to sanitize the plant. Under the deal, the U.S. and Canada are excluded as countries that can inspect facilities. Under the deal, the sanctions will be lifted over time and Iran will get between $100 billion to $150 Billion and even the administration admits the money can be used to fund terrorism. Plus under the deal, Iran gets protection from possible attack on its nuclear plants. As for the poster, you need to read more and not limit your news to sources you feel may be biased.
flatbusherParticipantWhy was the guy waiting on the other side of the street for the space to open up? I probably would pull out because why fight over a space, but really, if he wanted to make sure he got it, he should just have parked right behind the space.
flatbusherParticipantWhat exactly is the point of just saying something you don’t understand? That’s what our great-grandmothers and grandmothers did, but if it’s just for saying, then why not make it accessible so the one’s saying it can understand it. Because people don’t understand it, they just rush through it, or say it at a pace that would be difficult for a person to even understand English at that rate. What’s more, why were these institutionalized knowing that people don’t understand it?
flatbusherParticipantIf that was the intention, I would think it was not necessary to write them in poetic form with difficult language.
flatbusherParticipantthat seems reasonable. no one should be forced.
flatbusherParticipantIt’s not just a matter of maturity, it’s a matter of having time to grow on one’s own before bearing the responsibilities that come with being married. Of course, if the boy wants to, it’s one thing, but I don’t agree they should be encouraged to marry that young.
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