flatbush27

oomis: one boy definitely is one too many but i dont see why the minority should ruin it for the majority by banning alcohol to minors. we never banned cars to teenagers because they get into more accidents than adults.

cherrybim: i saw the kol korei and nothing to do with you but it doesnt say anywhere minors shouldnt drink on Purim. it says balei batim shouldnt serve bochurim visiting, it says the shitas that the mitzva of drinking is only with wine. it also warns of the dangers of drunk driving and of alcohol poisoning

cherrybim: rashi holds the mitzva is only with wine but ohter shittas hold it can be done with other beverages besides wine. i will try to find them. if anyone knows them please list them. The editor said this in the drinking thread: “These same gedolim were witnessed getting slammed on hard booze, not like the Rashi you mentioned”

your right, there may not be an inyan to drink liqour but you are yotzei with liqour (obviously not rashis shita)

ok i understand that to kids, but for adults i dont see an issur

oomis: liqour and bochurim mix fine on Purim. as Joseph said it really is a minority within a minority who dont act properly when drinking.

where do you come from? cause here one kid goes to chinatown and buys a ton of illegal stuff and then resells it in school.

sjs- i know right!!

jothar-the picture was really gruesome and disturbing.

sjs- if women are lax about tznius when it comes to wearing costumes then they should not wear untznius costumes. i think it does attract attention. you dont because everyone else is doing it. i dont see how that matters when it comes to tznius issues. it is a mans problem also but a woman cannot walk around untzniusdig and say well men are not allowed to look at me so its their fault, not mine.

honestlyfrum: there are already people doing that in the government. bochurim throwing up in public is definitely a chillul Hashem but if you can trust your underage kid to not do that, or only drink at home with supervision or by yeshiva where hopefully there is supervision then whats the problem. its for religious purposes so its mutar if your going to say dina dimalchusa dina and if that reason doesnt work then just dont get caught. the same parents who wont give their underage kids booze will drive 50 MPH in a 30 MPH. their both breaking the law! a parent is serving at his own risk just like speeding down the highway at his own risk. bottom line is dont get caught doing it

I know it feels like all I have to say is negative, but generally, on Purim night, on Simchas Torah night, and on Tikun Leil Shavuos the boys from the yeshivah next door to me are wild, out of control, and loud beyond belief even at 4 AM. I remember having given birth a week before Purim and sending my poor husband out several times to tell the boys to go indoors to their Yeshivah instead of making noise so loud that neither the baby nor I could get any sleep. (and yes, we told them about the baby). Do you think that if even ONE, much less 20-30 bochrum are outside unsupervised by their Rosh Yeshivah or any chaperones, throwing up on my law and disturbing the peace (and there are non-Jews on my block, as well – what a chillul Hashem!), that I care one whit about 300 boys INSIDE who may or may not be getting plastered?

You are way too chauvinistic IMO, to the point that you cannot admit that there is a fundamental wrongness with a system that encourages this type of behavior and calls it a mitzvah. The boys who collect ARE doing a mitzvah, but if their sole reason for collecting is the idea of riding around in a limo and getting served liqour in fancy homes, it kind of shters the intent and makes it a little suspect. Still they credit for the mitzvah of tzedaka, even if it is slightly shterred.

And I would not have to be upset with these bochurim, were their rebbeim with them watching them. But the adults all go home to bed after 11 PM, and these kids are totally unsupervised at their Purim party in the Yeshivah (I know, because I sent my husband in to look for a Rebbie to get the boys under control). I called the Rosh Yeshivah in the middle of the night one Purim, after fireworks were shot off on my lawn, coming dangerously close to my house. Sorry to say, I did wake him up. Well at least one of us was sleeping. And forget about the SMOKING and tossing of cigarette butts all over my yard. Had the lawn been really dry, we could have had a fire. There has to be a better and more meaningful way.I have put up with this for 22 years, and I would like to see a little self-control and a lot of supervision.

oomis-refua shilaima. i do not think the boys outside throwing up on your lawn, throwing theirs cigs on your lawn, keeping you up at night is right. i dont think the ‘sytem’ does either. The yeshivas that I have been to Purim night, simchas torah, and shavuos all have supervision. the one by you may not for some stupid reason. you have a right to be upset at them for those things but as you said its really only 3 times a yr so get over it.

thank u editor.

mazal: from my experience ppl dont drink to get sick, they just want to get really really drunk and inevitably get sick. also some ppl. dont know when to stop drinking because they dont know their limit is and they drink too much.

im not arguing with you on shichruso shel lot. i agree.

and your right, the story i said is probably not true, rabbis drink to make themselves intoxicated not sick as you said

baal kishron: i am copying and pasting my post that i said earlier: “why do ppl always assume when you say its a mitzva to drink lisheim mitzva that your also talking about if you miss krias shema and benching? nobody thinks its a mitzva to miss krias shema or benching or mariv so please stop assuming someone is. unless they say it dont

assume they hold it”

why are you assuming i think its ok for ppl to get so drunk they are puking everywhere? i dont. i think its wrong and not the mitzva. although on a side point i have heard of a certain gadol ztl who used to throw up on purim. i will not say who because i dont remember for sure and i dont remember if it was from a reliabl source.

yankdownunder-i am not making light of the bochurim throwing up on oomis lawn. i think its disgusting and i would not like it. i’m just saying he is looking at the minority doing the wrong thing rather than looking at the majority doing the right thing

Unless there is a scientific poll, please be careful with the use of terms ‘minority’ and ‘majority’ I KNOW there will end up being a debate on which is which, and I’d like to stop it before it starts

YW Moderator-39

why do ppl always assume when you say its a mitzva to drink lisheim mitzva that your also talking about if you miss krias shema and benching? nobody thinks its a mitzva to miss krias shema or benching or mariv so please stop assuming someone is. unless they say it dont assume they hold it