flatbush27

where have i said i am angry about people going away for Pesach. cantoresq, B”H if i wanted to go away i easily could but feel the hotel environment would be detrimental to my teenagers. I am sure I would enjoy all the shiurim without walking anywhere. but i think Pesach at home is still better for my family. if someone feels his Pesach will be more enjoyable and more spiritual then maybe he should go to a hotel. honestly, i dont know and i dont care. i really dont care what people do for Pesach if it doesnt affect me negatively. maybe its better if more people went away then the lines at the supermarket would be shorter and all the places to go on Chol Ha’moed would be less crowded

musiclover: what can i say?! the mods just love me!! niagra is definitely exciting although how long is the drive?

lesschumras: but maybe your frinds reason for going away is valid. i think alot of people just go away because they dont want to work. for instance i know many people who went away in previous years becuse its just easiar and this yr they cant afford it. is a reason of easiar a valid reason? to some people (elderly, singles, etc) yes. to others no

one goy almost caused Yidden to eat treif last night and these hotels employ hundreds of goyim who couldnt give a hoot about kashrus.

sjs- you need to learn a lesson. right after i said the story i said stories are stories and you cant believe them all. personally, i believe it because i know a waiter who worked their but since its very far fetched i attached a disclaimer. i am sick and tired of people repeatedly mentioning the story i said when in the same breath i said you cant believe them all. sjs, either put your glasses on when you read or maybe you need to read it more than once to get it through

anon: i said these two statements at different times but right after said i dont believe them

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i heard a story once that one time the hotel kitchen staff put out pure chametz. the chametz they were going to serve motzai yom tov, they accidentaly served it on pesach by the buffet. when they realized they grabbed it back and asked the mashgiach if they should announce anything and he said no, because then no one will ever come back. but stories are stories and though i dont believe them all, kashrus at these hotels has always been questioned “

“baal kishron- i made that up. i really have no idea. i shouldnt have done that but i am sure some of these hotels have good kashrus. but there are always stories circulating in the velt about these hotels kashrus. i dont believe all of them but it gives the impression kashrus at these places is not what it should be, although as i said before i am sure there are some that are fine.”

thanks shindy.

anon: first of all i said right after i dont believe all these stories myself after i mentioned the stories. ok. i made one thing up. i admitted it. and i never condemned anyone. go away to a hotel. be my guest. i said after i am sure some of the hotels have good kashrus. all i think is maybe with people out there barely making it by they could spend a little less and make pesach at home

yankdwnunder: i have nothing against you. i never said if you disagree with me you cant post. i just said if you feel this topic of interest shouldnt be discussed then dont discuss it. if you do then discuss it.

chanie: i want to sincerely apologize for those comments. i misunderstood you. i thought you meant “well thats life, hence no big deal”. obviously kashrus issues will always crop up unfortunately but if we say this then we wont really be putting all our energy into kashrus. we need to say we are going to make sure they dont come up. but we just cant say well thats what happens after they do happen. we need to try to make sure it doesnt happen again.

they speak there. they dont eat there.

“It’s proper for each family to decide , not you, where it is proper for them to spend Yom Tov. JUst because staying home is good for you, is it possible that others might enjoy the spirit of Pesach by going away?

Please think about this.”

lesschumras: i think the reason why people go away is ussually because they can afford it and are just too lazy to clean or cook or because their neighbors are going away and then they HAVE to go away. Also, because the kashrus at these hotels is so questionable they may be paying thousands to eat chametz on Pesach when they could just eat chametz at home for alot less… I think most people who go away will say the spirit of Pesach is much better at home but its just easiar to go away. writing a check is definitely easiar than making Pesach and everyone wants the easy way out. there would be alot more tzedaka money if everyone stayed home this yr and gave the money they saved to tzedaka

“thats life” is not a toradig and halachic excuse or term to describe eating treifus or chametz on Pesach. its dioraysa and if people are not up to par to kashrus i wont eat there. when the monsey scandal and other scandals come out, frum Yidden dont just say “thats life”. we do teshuva and take all neccesary steps to prevent it from happening again. i am really saddened by your lax in attitude towards kashrus and now see why you are also lax about the laws of tznius.

i knew that all along moish. i always saw the similarities between you and joseph

too bad these places cant advertise 5 star kashrus

just did :)brooklyn says hi back:)

oooooohhh. i just got burnt by an annoynomous mod. okay okay twice. wait. maybe it really was more. selective memory they call it.

chanie: on the black issue. your right. i asked my rav a couple months ago why people here wear more black and that is the reason he gave me. as you said i am sure ppl argue on this but that is what my rav told me.

on mitzvas and minhagos, men have their own, women have their own and of course there are those that apply to both. my rav told me it is not tznius for a girl over bas mitzva to walk around publicly wearing a costume. he also told me the mitzva of drinking by the seuda is only by men and said some shittas hold its assur for a woman to get drunk. there are so many areas of Purim where the woman is involved that i think its unnecessary for her to wear a costume to get in the spirit of Purim. why do you feel the need dress up on Purim?

“The Yeshivah recently did some renovations, including a large gym/party room, so I guess the boys spent the majority of the evening there”

that yeshiva stopped doing a mesiba Purim night two years ago. my son goes there. they do it the night before Purim and he said no one drinks the night before Purim so there are no problems anymore. nobody was in the gym/party room Purim night so thats why it was peaceful. as for fireworks, my son said its usually the neighborhood kids and not high schoolers.

chanieE: do you also think women should get drunk by the seuda?

this thread reminds of a letter to the editor in the hamodia a while back. a teenage girl wrote in she was thinking of what she would wear when she goes to greet Moshiach IY”H and she was going through her outfits and then realized she would wear her Bais Yaakov uniform. The next weeks edition had a letter from a woman saying she would be in the house where women should be while the men greet Moshiach and not parading outside even in her uniform.

no oomis a kallah at her wedding should not wear a wedding dress…your comparisons are really so off

tzippi: i never said to only teach the mechanics of drinking.

oomis: should we tell the mother of a kid killed by a drunk driver no more driving in the world anymore for anyone? no we shouldnt even though that would solve the problem for drunk driving.regarding drinking we adress the issue by teaching teenagers the right way and the wrong way to do it. banning alcohol to teenagers on Purim will never do anything. they are going to drink regardless behind your back. the rabbonim have not banned it publicly. i saw this years kol korei and no where did it say anything about minors drinking. it said drinking too much and not serving them when they collect but never to ban it to them. they have a chiyuv in the mitzva and should be taught how to properly perform it, for example dont drink too much, dont drive, etc etc. many of these kids who who have overprotective parents and dont let them drink on Purim, will just go to yeshiva or a friends house or a rebbis seuda and drink. if parents want their kids to listen to them then they shouldnt ban it to them, just teach them how to do it without harming themselves or others

it definitely is interesting (and sad) that people thought i was a fanatic before Purim because of this issue. then when they see the problem for themselves they realize im not that crazy after all