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Joseph that depends on how much of the act was against Halacha, what kind of efforts the perpetrator had made in his life to improve his Middos, his Emunah, was the act against Talmidei Chochomim in general, or against other beloved groups of Klal Yisroel etc. etc.

but I would say to answer your question, as far as I know, no, it doesn’t necessarily remove all of the punishment.

Of course their punishment in such a case WILL come about regardless of your sentiments. They did a terrible thing to a Yid without remorse and they will be called to account. That is between them and Hashem. It’s not your cheshbon or dependent on your will.

Your kavanah, as I understand it, should be something like: Hashem you will do what is best for this persons Neshamah and to fulfill Your Justice. But please whatever happens to this person don’t let it be for my sake. Let it be for Your sake. Do not punish them because I am rightfully angry. Punish them because You are angry. I am moichel them as much as the ratio of my humanness to my Malachness will allow. That is my part, that I do because You desire it from a Yid, for whatever Your reasons. And You will surely carry out Your Justice.

That’s basically how I understand it. If the theologic scholars enter this thread, I can’t quote the sources.

This is a personal note from me to you.

Who says?

The adrenaline, sympathetic nervous, and cardiovascular responses are all non goal oriented.

If a lion is approaching you and your friend, you can use the generated energy to subdue your friend and throw him to the lion, just as well as attacking the lion. If the lion then changes his mind and leaves, you can flee from your ex-friend.

That’s ok. You don’t have to bother.

As to your proposal for current locational studies, great idea, if you ignore the gaseous properties such as diffusion and susceptibility to convection.

As to the “reverse engineering” idea, well that should be easy and reliable enough. I say they should go for it.

People say (not me) that the sun naturally causes no harm. But mankind with the explosion of the use of toxic airborne substances such as CFCs has damaged the natural atmospheric filtering of the UV light produced by the sun, artificially raising the amount reaching the earths surface. Possibly requiring an artificial response of sunscreens as the lesser of two evils.

Probably

I do

Sam your Chiluk was clear. I stated that lchora the Chiluk may not be so definitive. There may be a difference in the impact of their responses depending on what exactly they are responding to

I don’t believe the responses to words of praise are the same as responses to one who is standing and actually praising Hashem. Or so it seems to me.

Just as an aside sam, there is no ocular condition known to medical science wherein it is dangerous to be without sunglasses on a short term basis. Sunglasses are worn primarily to decrease discomfort and squinting, and for cosmesis. There ARE certain situations where the regular use of uv or infrared blocking lenses (not necessarily sunglasses) is theoretically advisable to prevent the long term progression of certain chronic conditions. But to almost need eye surgery because someone was without sunglasses for a few hours or days is utterly ridiculous.

My comment was certain to offend some people. I’m not surprised that Sam was one.

But in any case it should have been clear from my post that I was not addressing my remarks to someone who doesn’t like “certain (or too many) chumros”. Rather to someone who is offended by the concept.

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Who dreams up this nonsense?

Not that someone who’s ultimate goal is to arrive at the cemetery having fulfilled his obligations in the most minimal way possible, could possibly understand. But it’s dreamed up by a group of Yiddim with awareness of their debt to The Ribono Shel Olam, who seek to fulfill His will with mesirus nefesh, who have a sensitivity and a feeling for what behaviors belong to the goyish velt, and wish to remain as far away as possible from those mannerisms to bring nachas to The Abishter. Whether they are required to by Halacha or not.

I need a drink

Your times up.

If they were good logicians, since it was impossible for the first two to answer the question as referring to the group, they would have assumed the bartender was using the language colloquially, and asking them individually. Therefore the third WAS correct.

It will be a cold day in December, Daas Yochid, when your logical mind surpasses mine.

You’re wrong!!!

I DO know the first two guys. They were very poor logicians.

He had no knowledge of whether or not they wanted a drink.

Had the first one wanted a drink he would have responded to the question: “I’m not sure”.

And had he not wanted a drink he would have responded also; “I’m not sure”

As a matter of fact this thread is disgusting and should be immediately deleted, not closed, deleted. Such a lack of gratitude is an embarrassment for the op even if he doesn’t recognize it.

If he wants to apologize, and he should, he can start a new thread.

When I “left”, they changed the locks.

(And posted armed guards)

And, I was a member first, before I unwittingly got drafted into that band of thieves.

Great. Now you made my post in the “outrageous” thread irrelevant.

Thanks a lot moderator.

It’s always quite acceptable here to question,criticize,point out his past behavior ,and even embarrass Joseph.

Kind of an understood unwritten rule of the CR. even new posters get the hang of this pretty quickly.

I suppose you can say he brought it on himself, he is to blame for this, he keeps repeating the same behaviors. And you’d indeed have a good point.

But I’d ask two questions:

Does unattributed quoting, copy-pasting, even multiple screen names have much to do with the points he’s trying to make?

And is it the middah of a proper Yid to publicly point out someone’s flaws? Especially to do so in the comfort of social acceptability and mutual support?

(I say “especially” because it is akin to the lowly degrading “lynching” mentality)

I’m talking generally, not necessarily about this thread. I haven’t really read it much.

Tos B’M ??? ??????. Bottom of bais amid aleph.

I’m not to good at writing Hebrew. I’ll translate here. You can check on my translation.

“And this that it says later daf 118 aleph, that seeing Hefker is koneh. This is that he did some maaseh such as that he fenced it in with a small fence.”

I guess some maaseh that isn’t an actual kinyon, otherwise what does the seeing accomplish.

Its (sort of) the first sugyah in B’M.

Seeing something with the intention to acquire it doesn’t work.

The first one to do a Kinyon gets it. I guess the question would be what’s a “kinyon” on the right to use a space.

” Even if there is no halachic chiyuv, it is simply a lack of respect to ignore the direct instructions of such a great man.”

And I would add: foolish, and dangerous.

Mandated?

Automatic?

From his lawyers statement upon notification of his release:

“The decision is not connected to recent developments in the Middle East”

DECISION? WHAT DECISION?

” Had parole been denied, Mr. Pollard would have been required to serve an additional fifteen years in prison.”

“HAD PAROLE BEEN DENIED”? WHY THATS IMPOSSIBLE. HIS RELEASE WAS MANDATED!

REVIEW? ASSESS? DISCRETION? WHETHER? WHY ITS MANDATED ITS AUTOMATIC !

“Over the next several months, in advance of the hearing, we engaged in dialogue with the DOJ, and submitted extensive written materials to the Parole Commission and the DOJ in support of parole, demonstrating that Mr. Pollard had an exemplary prison record, and that there was no possibility that he would commit any further crimes if released. We also secured employment and housing for Mr. Pollard in the New York area, and made that information available to the Parole Commission as well as the DOJ.”

MY, WHAT IGNORANT LAWYERS. THEY DIDNT KNOW THAT HIS RELEASE WAS AUTOMATIC.