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Evreybody is intrested in the “Emes of the ribono shel olam”
ALAVAI!
“Torah AND LOGIC”
there is no logic other than Torah
please capitalize Torah
thank you
cantor
look
we can go back and forth all day on this
you love chazzunus, a lot of people do
im sure you have inspired countless Jews with it.
for whatever reasons, i personally dont like it.
nothing more i need to say.
“Halacha recognizes that music is a very powerful artistic source. It speaks to our souls.”
that’s true
in its place
“Great chazzanut is not about entertainment.”
yes it is, spiritual entertainment as well as musical entertainment, but entertainment.
“Great chazzanut is about interpretting the text of the davening and rendering it meanigful to the worshipper. Great chazzanim give shiurim in the music of tefilla and in the peirush hamillot when they daven for the amud. It is the music of the davening that provides intellectual stimulation as a backdrop to davening that might otherwise be rendered rote and meaningless by virtue of its constant repetition in our lives.”
yes, it can be a great refuah for the sickness of apathetic meaningless Tefillah.
i prefer to daven elsewhere
if a sick congregation needs such medicine, im all for it
“Great chazzanut also enrobes our noble liturgy in grandeur befitting praise of G-d and supplications before Him.”
beautiful poetic words
church choirs also “enrobes our noble liturgy, etc, etc.”
shakespeare also “enobles our spirits, etc, etc
it’s still entertainment
davening is something else entirely
“obviously not a Jew. Why should a Torah prohibition of “fill in the blank” be applied to her”
because my dear feminist, all acts that are immoral according to common reason, are forbidden to ALL human beings. this was true before Matan Torah, which answers a huge number of kashas (example: how could Kayin have been punished for manslaughter when there was no Law). and it still applies to Bnai Noach after Matan Torah as well. The 7 Mitzvos you are probably familiar with are by no means all inclusive.
“I have spent much of my life studying Torah and based on this study- and not on anything else- I think that what these men do is wrong.”
if you have become so deadened, so far from your Mothers, that you dont understand the intense conscious and subconscious power of a greeting between a man and a woman, or an exchange of smiles, then youll just have to go home and nurse your “embarrassment”.
i know, as does everyone how it feels to not have a greeting returned. it’s not pleasant, but to blow it up into “PUBLIC EMBARRASSMENT”, i think you went way too far in making your point, which it is all too clear has nothing to do with embarrassment but rather to how YOU (not the Torah) and your alien philosophies want men to behave, nothing more. this is clearly the underlying reason behind all your remarks, even if you dont know it.
“I have spent much of my life studying Torah and based on this study- and not on anything else- I think that what these men do is wrong.”
and you wear pants, and are proud of your mothers red wardrobe, and proudly use a word for an ism that has stood in direct opposition to Torah for 50 years (with a new modern derech of course, nevertheless you use the ugly word proudly) you think if you “learn” Torah that gives you the credentials to adopt Goyish attitudes. you have No credentials, you are just another unfortunate Yid destroyed by Golus, and you are so absorbed by it as to be proud.
im somewhat sorry if this is harsh, but when you dare try to use the Torah HaKodesh to defend your anti-Torah outlook, i am unable to just sit by such sewage quietly.
cantor
im not exactly sure what point you are attempting to make. i dont think we have a Bais HaMikdosh at the current time, it should be built again mehayra. i dont think the L’veyim sing anymore to accompany the Korbonos. i dont believe they play instruments anymore. although Shuls today are a tiny tiny hint of what the Bais HaMikdosh was, i think any parallels you wish to draw, must be drawn by bigger heads than you and me.
the Maharal, again im not sure what that has to do with anything i said
i know why i go to Shul, and it most definitely is not to hear a concert or any other type of entertainment, CvS.
there are plenty of Temples that do enjoy that, i have no argument against it.
Feminist
i have to agree with you this time. you are very openminded, no question.
i, and many here that disagree with you, are narrow-minded, to this i admit.
i am interested in the Emes of the Ribbono Shel Olam, the One who Created you and me…..and i am interested in nothing else!
you though, obviously like to get your ideas from all peoples and cultures and then choose from that, what you personally feel is worthwhile. this is quite to be admired by the peoples of the nations of the world. im sure you are very proud of this, just as you expressed much pride in your mother’s red wardrobe.
eliezer
hes the best politician ive ever seen
he was obviously designed by the Abishter for some very important purpose. lets hope it has something to do with the coming of Moshiach, bimhayra, today.
“It seems that real frum Jews go to schul to perfunctorily fulfill the technical requirements of davening with a minyan and then to socialize at kiddush. They have no interest in artistsic exprerssion of the liturgy. Less frum Jews are more sensitive to such things and open to it. “
that’s your perspective of course.
my perspective is that generally more frum Jews go to Shul to daven to the Ribbono Shel Olam (and socialize as well)
less frum Jews prefer to be entertained, like going to a concert in Shul.
you sound like a lawyer
yes it is possible
it is even possible that the majority of er visits at those hopitals are from accidental gunshot wounds within the home
but i believe my experience is typical of most ers that gunshot wounds are almost always caused by an armed person against an unarmed person.
it is even possible,and even more likely in my opinion that the percentage of gunshot wounds at these other hospitals (armed upon unarmed) is even higher.
not an er resident
rotating intern, lots of er time for 2 years, while also moonlighting in er
then eye residency, lots of facial GSWs
also spent 2 years majority of time there in medical school
“why don’t we start discussions that are productive and might help people, instead of fighting and causing unnecessary Sinas Chinam.”
most threads here start as you suggested
the problem is that they almost always turn.
obama
by a lot
no anon the experience there is not the same as it would be at other types of hospitals.
cook county hospital deals with neighborhoods that are much more crime ridden, as you know.
i was a resident at Cook County Hospital in chicago for 5 years, i saw a LOT of gunshot wounds
almost all of them were perpetrated on an unarmed person by an armed person. same for stabbings.
i never saw an accidental gunshot wound. (i dont mean to imply a scientific study here, take it for what you will, just my experience.)
“I don’t believe in a God who would distance Himself from such a man just for observing what I feel is common courtesy.”
that is your fundamental tragedy
you want to make Hashem be what YOU think He should be.
you should, instead, be working on making yourself what He wants you to be. yes even if it clashes with the attitudes you have absorbed from this illusory modern world, and it’s modern movements.
you dont seem to understand the most basic and crucial fundamentals of what it means to be a daughter of Hashem.
“Nobody WANTS to kill ants – they do it by accident. “
an all too AVOIDABLE sccident
what if you carried a disease that was usually fatal and extremely contagious?
would you say, well it’s very difficult for me to avoid coming into contact with people, if they die, they die, i cant just stay home.
if you arent willing to take the trouble to walk outside very slowly, with your eyes paying very close attention to the ground, you should stay home!
ants have rights too.
PLEASE STOP THE HORRIFIC MURDER OF THE INNOCENT
gila
are you familiar with “olam ha bah” the world to come, the real world, the eternal world?
rabbiofberlin to feivel: “oh, i see i misread your post, sorry”
feivel to rabbiofberlin: “hey, no problem, easy to make a mistake like that.”
rabbiofberlin to feivel: “gut Shabbos”
feivel to rabbiofberlin: “gut Shabbos”
“now i know there’s no need to do that”
no need to do that!!
are you crazy?
killing innocent living feeling creatures?!
are you a mass murderer?
what if you carried a disease that was usually fatal and extremely contagious?
would you say, well it’s very difficult for me to avoid coming into contact with people, if they die, they die, i cant just stay home.
if you arent willing to take the trouble to walk outside very slowly, with your eyes paying very close attention to the ground, you should stay home!
ants have rights too.
who are you to decide that random innocent lives shall be shed, because you are too preoccupied to avoid killing them?
“Ants are so tiny that generally, people can step on the sidewalk and the minuscule space between the soles of our shoes and the surface of the ground is enough to shield ants from injury or death”
i guess a serial killer can find any excuse.
what you said is not true.
there is no space between the midsole and central heel of your shoe and the ground.
otherwise you would be literally walking on air.
PLEASE STOP THE HORRIFIC MURDER OF THE INNOCENT
yank i meant that:
saying NO to a child is SPIRITUAL vitamins, amino acids and protein.
“now i know there’s no need to do that”
no need to do that!!
are you crazy?
killing innocent living feeling creatures?!
are you a mass murderer?
what if you carried a disease that was usually fatal and extremely contagious?
would you say, well it’s very difficult for me to avoid coming into contact with people, if they die, they die, i cant just stay home.
if you arent willing to take the trouble to walk outside very slowly, with your eyes paying very close attention to the ground, you should stay home!
ants have rights too.
who are you to decide that random innocent lives shall be shed, because you are too preoccupied to avoid killing them?
“Ants are so tiny that generally, people can step on the sidewalk and the minuscule space between the soles of our shoes and the surface of the ground is enough to shield ants from injury or death”
i guess a serial killer can find any excuse.
what you said is not true.
there is no space between the midsole and central heel of your shoe and the ground.
otherwise you would be literally walking on air.
okay, i give up.
how about ants?
“How can bacteria feel if they have no nerves?”
i have no idea
is consciousness dependent on nerves?
no one (scientifically speaking) knows what consciousness is!
maybe a tree has consciousness, many people think they do.
i ask again is it worth the horrible death of millions?
can you prove they have no consciousness?
can you prove they have no feelings?
NO you cant!
joseph
i thought you cant post links here, i figured if it was a broken link, it would get past the software that throws them out, people can then remove the t’s
that’s not necessary?
“he wants to eat cereal so what he’ll grow out of it”
gila
little children want to do many things. some are harmful and some are not, but a parent must set limits. this is what a child needs. waiting for a child “to grow out of it” is dangerous. often children will “grow into it” the habit solidifying and maturing as the child grows older. a child who is allowed to eat what and where and when his taivas dictate can end up being an obese glutton.
“absolutely necessary, or impossible to avoid”
how do you determine necessity, or inability to avoid?
according to whom?
what standards?
what criteria?
whose values?
getting a little bit closer.
“Bacteria are not feeling.”
from which exact scientific study did you pick this up?
are you certain?
if so, based on what?
they certainly react to their environment and flee chemicals which are noxious to them…
if youre not certain are you willing to risk the death and suffering of millions of innocent lives?!
check this out
“Controversially, bacteria could even have cognitive talents that rival our own. Predatory behaviour, cooperation, memory — Natasha Mitchell takes you on a strange adventure into the secret world of microbial mentality.”
from
httttttttttttp://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2008/2396857.htm
extra “t”s added by me
rob
***to feivel: Last time I looked ,the translation of “medinah” is country (look in the megilla) “am” means people.
so, whatever differences you may have with the government of Israel, there is aboslutely no reason to extend this to the “medinah” where hundreds of thousands of frum yidden live.***
i didnt, read my post please
i said specifically, in order to prevent your exact misinterpretation: “IF you mean the government, then…”
ps
the meaning of medina is still unclear, as is the meaning of country. it has different meanings depending on the context, and even in context can imply a variety of different meanings. which is why i first characterized the meaning as specifically as i could (ie government) before stating my opinion.
gmab
i didnt conclude my last post properly
the answer to “what is the ethical treatment of animals?” is simple
it is: whatever the Creator [of all that exists, every person, and every animal], tells us how he requires us to treat them……Halacha, as taught to us by the Gedolim.
and not how we modern-day, goyim-soaked, little Yiddin feel in our haughty hearts.
gmab
a minimal start but
way too general
prevent ALL suffering and death
so we cannot eat meat, cannot wear leather shoes or belts, cannot wear fur
even wool, im sure the animals dont enjoy being sheared
no chicken
no spaying or neutering of pets
no fish
no eggs (cooping up of birds)
no swatting flies
no walking on the sidewalk without carefully looking down at all times to protect ants.
no use of antibiotics to kill bacteria, unless life threatening
no milk (cows should be allowed to express their freedom to roam)
no pest control (roaches, mice, ants, spiders, termites)
im getting tired and bored
their name does not reflect their purpose, not even close.
similar to: “The White Alliance to Promote Freedom” which should be called: The Skinhead Alliance to Destroy all Blacks and Jews”
what do they mean by “ethical” a gigantic spectrum of definitions. what is their definition?
their behavior clarifies the question.
if you mean that you agree with the Torahs definition of ethical, then youre talking sense.
saying NO is vitamins to a child
it is essential amino acids and protein.
this is a wonderful opportunity for you to save your childs health and maybe his life.
without it he wont be able to say no to himself when he is older
he wont be able to say no to himself when he needs to compromise with his wife
he wont be able to say no when his group of friends is getting drunk
or trying drugs…
“Shouldn’t we be grateful that for only the third time in Jewish history, we actually HAVE a medina?”
we should be grateful, most certainly, to HaKodeshBarchu.
“Shouldn’t we look at the fact that Eretz Yisrael is actually run by Jews as a sign that we are coming closer to the Geulah?”
Im Yiretz Hashem, it should be so.
“calling it a “treife medina” is quite harsh”
not harsh enough
im not sure how you define “medina”
if you mean the government, then i would call it an anti-Torah, pig eating, atheistic, ungrateful to the Abishter, abomination.
eric
i thought about a shotgun
decided it was much more than hishtadlus called for at this time, even before asking a shaila.
i will ask a shaila though if i feel the time has come
the definitive argument:
“ridiculous, stupid, and ignorant. Please flee the country, we have enough idiots here as is.”
“Do you know how many people are killed in cars each year? Maybe you should block people from using cars.”
we do that now, in every state. they’re called children
safeeyes.com
illini
i think we read the syntax of the first post in two different ways:
i believe you read it as this:
“…flee this country in a few weeks, after all havoc breaks loose.” which would be around the time there is a new president in the us
i read it as this:
“…flee this country, in a few weeks after all havoc breaks loose.” meaning whenever, whatever the cause of havoc, we should be prepared to leave within a few weeks.
the implications are not clear to me
there is also a severe western economic crisis, of recent developement, some predicting total collapse. who do you think will be blamed?
there is also a madman in iran who threatens possible worldwide nuclear holocaust
there are also reports of increased blatant anti-semitism all over the world
i got passports for my family last year
the implications of that post are apparently clear only to you, i saw no reference to obama in it, and perceived none. i know little about obama and am not scared of him.
you need to develop an open mind.
not everyone thinks or infers as do you
please spare me your condescending tone
they are probably thinking like this:
win95 and win98 were very similar. win 98 should have been called win95.8
windows ME, well, they are probably trying to forget it ever existed.
“If you are really ignorant enough to think that you are going to have to “flee,” then I would rather not have you bringing my country down and diluting my vote. Please educate yourselves people.”
very nice illini
no one said anything about obama except one person
if you are a Jew, if you are aware of the history of your people, if you understand Torah principles, you will always have readiness for “fleeing” somewhere in your mind.
if you dont understand, you might want to educate yourself.
“Shivim panim l’Torah”
most certainly.
unfortunately too often misinterpreted as an excuse for anything goes.
you have to apply it carefully.
it doesnt mean that whatever one believes is just fine
“Ayzeh hu chacham, halomed mi’kol adam”
yes one can learn from anyone and everything.
again most frequently applied to defend an anti-Torah outlook disguised as Torah.
“I sincerely apologize if anything I have posted has offended anyone here.”
you have always posted most carefully and respectfully even when you were being challenged. this has stood out strongly against a background of harsh comments so common here. you seem to have many fine middos.
i dont know what “normal” means.
it does however take into consideration the repetition of our history over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, again and again, from neighborhood to neighborhood and country to country, over and over and over again.
sorry pashuteh
i dont really keep track of screen names and what they say and seem to be,
so sarcasm is quite difficult for me to to detect.
do you think maybe jewish feminist is also just kidding? maybe i misunderstood her posts also.
i hope so.
and also pashuteh
women most certainly have a yetzer hara. Gittin and Kiddushin are filled with it.
you are probably referring to the statement of Chazal that they have no yetzer hara to be mvatal learning Torah.
pashuteh
tznius is for everyone, this is pashuteh
takes different forms, meanings and importance between men and women however.
when a bucket of water is clear
a drop of mud will cause the waters to become murky
when a bucket of water is as murky as mud, another drop of mud will not be noticed.
the lives of our fathers and mothers were as clear water as compared to our mud-filled world.
nevertheless, a drop of mud is a drop of mud, a woman wearing a Talis is arrogance, as the Halachah states, though it might not seem so to our blinded eyes in this dark world. a world where an intelligent well-meaning daughter of Sorah, Rivka, Rochel, and Leah can devote herself to “Feminism”
“Nobody is born extremely obese,
they acheive that by overeating & not exercising daily.
People who are overweight, just get over it & please go
on a SERIOUS diet.”
there is clearly a quite powerful genetic component to obesity.
it existed in olden times of poverty as well.
Reb Eliezer ben Shimon was known to be massively obese.
it was said (although probably with some exaggeration), when he and another Godol (forgot his name) would stand facing each other a wagon could pass under the arch formed by their bellies. do you think they got that way because of eating desires and overeating?