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Read it again, in section A.1:
“Current available filtering and restriction systems do not provide adequate protection and therefore the following takanos apply even in regard to computers with filtered or restricted Internet access.”
A bit later on:
“Parents may not have the Internet in the home unless it is l’tzorech parnasah, and have obtained written permission from one of the designated Rabbonim.”
So, it seems to me that there is no heter to use the Internet for a site like YWN – only for work. Basically, what you’re saying is, if you have it for work, it’s ok to use the internet for other things also. In effect, only someone who needs the internet for work is allowed to see YWN, other people aren’t allowed – the Rabbonim stated straight out that filtering software isn’t good enough, and you can’t have the internet with a filter if you don’t need it for work. Is that right?
You’re right, I haven’t heard it. Care to tell me what RABBI Tendler said?
http://yeshivaorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2005/09/lakewoods-powerful-gathering-against.html
This was a blog which YW Editor used to wrote on, so please post this message.
“Leading off was the rosh yeshiva Rabbi Malkiel Kotler who spoke about the necessity of erecting “walls”, safeguarding yourself and your children. “Don’t let cracks in that wall; don’t open any door!
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Lakewood’s beloved mashgiach Rabbi Matisyahu Solomon ended off bemoaning how our generation is dancing with the satan and- “he’s spinning out of control with much excitement”, having gotten the internet in our homes.
Any heter, exclaimed the mashgiach, to posses the internet for parnasah is “B’Deyeved of B’Deyeved, adding: “I’d like to say something radical: maybe it is better to live in poverty than to give away your neshama- bring the internet in your house!”.
He warned everyone : “It has no place in a jewish home”,… “One picture can ruin a child for life.”,… “You don’t give children keys to your car”!”
That was said by the asifa. Even to earn a living, use of the internet was questionable. You want me to think they ok it with a filter?
http://personal.stevens.edu/~llevine/takanos_lakewood.pdf
There is a link to the takanos put out in Lakewood. It says that if you must have the internet for work only, you need a filter. It says nothing about allowing it to be used for non-work issues, even with a filter.
latkes! I don’t like most of the fillings that go into hamentashen – I like caramel, but the best one is dairy, so you can’t eat it with meat. Also, deep fried foods taste better.
Why wasn’t my link to a pdf of the Lakewood takanos published? It supported what I wrote here. What’s wrong with it?
notpashut: Remember, it was sinas chinam that destroyed the Beis Hamikdash. But, as you said, some people just don’t want to hear it.
Oh, and just remember the letzanus that the supposedly “frum” posters here make of YU and the Rabbonim there (such as R’ Tendler, who has been bashed here on numerous occasions) before you accuse others of it.
What the second servant didn’t realize was that the king loved the first servant just as much, and took great offense to the insults directed at him. In fact, the king felt that when the servant was insulted, it was as if they were insulting the king himself!
Did the second servant belittle and insult the first servant?
mommish – I read The Lord of the Rings series when I was 12 years old, and loved it!
Also:
Bruno & Boots series by Gordon Korman
Chapter books
Fiction
Not a Jewish author
No, they don’t allow it. They say you shouldn’t have it. If you absolutely must have it, for work purposes, then you can, but only with a filter. Even then, it should be avoided as much as possible.
As for me, my Rav doesn’t assur it. The YU community doesn’t have any such ban.
So now you’re insulting me instead of answering me. That’s very big of you. You publicly called me a laitz. If you ask nicely, I might even forgive you for it.
Now, tell me, what is your heter to use the internet for things besides work?
Really? How so? Did your Rav say you’re allowed to use the internet for things besides work? I guess he knows better than all the Gedolei Hador you claim to be mevatel to. Maybe you should find a new Rav, since he obviously doesn’t care what the Gedolei Hador say.
I know, notpashut, Joseph isn’t YW Editor.
The fact is, if you ask any Rosh Yeshiva Jospeh holds of, they’ll probably say it’s assur to use the internet for news, even through Yeshiva World. After all, that’s not necessary for work. So, I guess both you and Joseph aren’t following the gedolim.
notpashut: yes, if you need it for work you can use it only for work, nothing else.
I guess Joseph is YW Editor, otherwise he wouldn’t be here, right?
notpashut: sure, Joseph would be mevatel himself to what they said, just like he did when the Rabbonim said you shouldn’t use the internet.
No, tb, I’m not saying that. Yes, many people don’t like their jobs, and they do it because they need the income. However, they realize why they’re doing it. They aren’t told that they have to do it or they’re throwing their life away, they choose to do it on their own.
Bochurim today in most yeshivas are taught that if they don’t sit and learn in kollel, they’re doing something wrong. They are pressured to go to kollel whether they’re cut out for it or not. They don’t get to think for themselves, and decide what they want.
Ask your Rav. People here aren’t poskim.
tb: Agreed, the nisayon is the same for a working guy. However, people don’t pressure him into doing something he’s not cut out for. When someone is looking for a job, they usually look for something they are good at, and at least somewhat enjoy doing. People are pressured into sitting and learning even when they’re not cut out for it. I have to imagine the Rabbonim who pressure them are at least somewhat responsible for any stealing which occurs due to this.
I’ve written before about how when I was leaving the Yeshiva I was in to go to college (the yeshiva didn’t allow any college, I switched to a smaller, half day yeshiva), one of the Roshei Yeshiva (there are 2) told me “You’re throwing your life down the drain.”
Luckily for me, the other Rosh Yeshiva (who I happened to be closer to anyway. I didn’t have a great relationship with the first one) told me to ignore it, and that he didn’t know what he was talking about.
It happens to be, a year or so later, the first RY called my parents and apologized. Basically, he said he had thought I was like my brothers (who ended up in Lakewood), and didn’t judge me for who I was.
tb, what about people who can’t sit and learn all day? Aren’t they putting themselves into sakanah of stealing by learning in kollel? They don’t sit and learn as they’re supposed to, yet they faithfully collect their kollel check every month. They’re stealing. If they’d gone out to find a job, they wouldn’t be in such a situation.
Also, sometimes you don’t have a choice in the matter. I knew I wasn’t cut out to sit and learn. My Rebbe agreed with me. I went to college, and now have a job in the corporate world. Are there nisyonos? Of course. Did I place myself into a makom sakanah on purpose? No, I need to support my family. If I left my job, my family wouldn’t have a house to live in, we wouldn’t have food to eat, etc.
The Big One: no, the initial post does not contain the basics. It contains many chumros. Can you find a mekor for everything that’s listed there?
Joseph: yes, tznius is halachah. The question is, how much is halachah, and where does it become chumros? Many things discussed in this thread are chumros, not the basic halachos of tznius.
Obviously, certain parts are basic halachah. A woman can’t walk around in the summer time wearing a bathing suit. However, some people are machmir to wear sleeves which go all the way down to the wrist. Others only cover the elbows. Still others have sleeves down until the elbows. Who are you to say what the basic halachah is, and where the chumros begin?
Joseph, do you not see a difference between a woman wearing a miniskirt and a woman wearing sandals?
supermom: where is there a makor that single women need to wear their hair tied back? Where does it say that dirty clothing is untznius? Yes, it’s a problem for other reasons (it’s probably a kiddush Hashem to appear presentable, as well as kavod habrios), but to say it’s untznius? Where does it say makeup and perfume are only for your husband?
dveykus613: Even in many communities where the Rabbonim encourage certain things, I’m sure if you ask the Rabbonim, they’ll tell you that many of the things are chumros, not straight out chiyuvim. They may want their community to follow these chumros, and if you live there, you should listen to your Rav, but the Rabbonim themselves will often tell you that it’s only a chumrah.
I agree that if your Rav paskens that something is assur, then it’s halachah. However, most people just never ask.
Judaism supposedly prides itself on encouraging people to ask questions. Unfortunately, many supposedly “yeshivish”, frum circles severely discourage asking questions. It happened to me, it happened to my wife, and it happened to many other people I know.
It happened to my wife with regard to tznius issues. She’s a BT, and when we got engaged, she wanted to learn the halachos of covering her hair. She asked a few people for sources – books, tapes, etc. she could learn from. She was told, ‘Why do you want to know the reasons? It’s das Yehudis, and you don’t ask questions – you just follow it!” At that point, she didn’t want to cover her hair. She only did it because she knew I wouldn’t marry her if she didn’t. After we were married, she finally found someone who was willing to explain it to her. Now, she willingly covers her hair.
dveykus613, I’m not blasting someone for doing what their Rav says to do. I’m blasting someone for thinking that my Rav is wrong, and for trying to put their chumros on me. If I follow the minhagim in my community, and the rules set down by the Rabbonim where I live, it doesn’t make the clothing my wife wears un-tznius. According to our Rav, it’s fine. Don’t judge me based on the chumros you follow. That, I have a problem with.
ujm, the original post was definitely not correct, and doesn’t show the halachic requirements at all. It’s been discussed already, but just to name a few:
Wearing dirty clothing isn’t immodest. It may be inappropriate, but it isn’t immodest. If you walk outside wearing dirty clothing by mistake, you’re not transgressing anything.
Bright colored clothing can be permitted. Can you show me somewhere it says it’s not? It’s just a chumrah, nothing more.
Who says an unmarried woman’s hair must be tied back?
Who says makeup and perfume are only for use with a woman’s husband?
Again, the original poster listed mostly chumras, not halachos.
I found the link tot he article on the CRC’s website:
http://www.crcweb.org/kosher/consumer/articles/Latte%20Article%20R%27%20Fishbane.pdf
rabbiofberlin, it has to do with the method used for cleaning. When I went to the shiur, there was a handout sheet with an article printed by the CRC. I’ll see if I can find it.
illini07, plain coffee isn’t an issue. Pretty much all Rabbonim hold that you can order a plain coffee from anywhere, even McDonalds. The issue is the flavored drinks, which they mix using other utensils.
I heard a shiur about it last year.
Basically, nobody gives a hechsher on the store itself. Regarding the kashrus of the utensils used, there is a machlokes between the OU and the CRC regarding it. Basically, the OU holds that the cleaning process doesn’t make the keilim treif, while the CRC holds that it does.
So, I guess in New York, you can go to Starbucks, and in Chicago you can’t.
Just to note, cleaning the utensils can be an issue because some of the items aren’t kosher, and all the utensils get washed together.
The Big One, not all working people can afford such a partnership. A true Yissachar/Zevulun partnership can be very expensive – you’re supposed to provide for every need of the person. Most people have a hard time providing for one family, never mind a second one.
Yes, the owner of the store didn’t renew the lease. Same story with J2 pizza next door, they also lost their lease.
Eddie really is an amazing person. The day before my wedding, I was in a car with my brother driving down Ave J, and he got into a minor fender-bender (actually, a fender-scratcher) in front of the store. Eddie saw me there, said “You’re getting married tomorrow, you don’t have time to deal with this!”, and offered to pay the guy whatever it cost to fix the car so I could go do what I had to do.
Chuck, another issue is that R’ Moshe wasn’t accepted as the main posek by most people. Yes, he was recognized as the posek hador by most. That doesn’t make him their Rav. Other people can argue on him, and you can go according to them. A competent Rav won’t argue on him without serious thought, but it can be done. If some local Rav of a shtiebel goes and argues on R’ Moshe zt”l, I’d say he was crazy. However, for a big posek, it can be done.
For example, R’ Shachter from YU is a huge authority when it comes to Eruvin. he happens to argue on R’ Moshe regarding a point in Eruvin. A Rav near me, who’s close to R’ Shachter, told me that when R’ Shachter gave his psak, he told this Rav that he didn’t sleep for 2 nights beforehand. He reviewed his point again and again. In the end, he didn’t really feel like he was arguing with R’ Moshe, he felt the circumstances had changed, and the psak shouldn’t apply any more. Even with that, he couldn’t sleep for 2 nights! That is the proper mindset for disagreeing with a posek such as R’ Moshe.
Since kollel life became “the thing to do”, there have also been many more people going off the derech. Someone once told me they’re directly related. In Judaism, it’s always been said that the mother sets the tone in the home as far as yiddishkeit goes. It’s a big part of her job to make the children love Judaism, and instill the proper values in them.
Since in kollel families, the mothers are usually out working, and someone else is taking care of their kids, the mothers don’t have as much opportunity to instill the proper values in their kids. This can cause kids to go off the derech.
Joseph: Someone once asked Shlomo Carlebach why he had no problem hugging and kissing women, Carlebach replied, “If you see a woman drowning, would you save her, or let her drown because you’re not allowed to touch a woman? In these times, everyone is drowning.”
Your post sounds very similar to Carlebach’s reply. I don’t like either one of them, by the way.
Bogen, R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zt”l gave a psak regarding Shabbos clocks. As far as I know, he didn’t give a publicized psak regarding cholov stam (NOT CHALAV AKUM!)
R’ Moshe paskened regarding both.
As to why we follow R’ Shlomo Zalman regarding Shabbos clocks: I don’t know. I do know that every major posek now will tell you they’re ok based on the psak from R’ Shlomo Zalman.
Regarding cholov stam, the only major posek to pasken on it recently was R’ Moshe. Therefore, we follow his psak, as nobody argues on him. Yes, people are machmir, but nobody will tell you it’s treif.
It’s not people picking and choosing which Rav to follow, it’s pretty much every posek nowadays following the opinion of R’ Moshe with regard to milk, and R’ Shlomo Zalman with regard to the clocks.
YW Editor, I think this thread should be closed. A woman whose husband doesn’t want her driving DEFINITELY wouldn’t want her talking to anonymous men on the internet.
Plus, everyone else is requesting that threads be closed and getting it, I’m feeling left out.
skinnymum, if a guy is sitting in kollel and isn’t learning, then he’s stealing from the kollel. he gets a check to sit and learn, not stay off the streets.
eli, are you sure that R’ M9oshe zt”l was makpid on it? I believe that R’ Dovid Feinstein shlita drinks cholov stam.
Joseph, I’m upset about the minorities also, believe me. However, I’m not asked to endorse the fact that they don’t work at all.
YW Editor, I don’t think my comment was inappropriate. The text of the kesubah that we have was written by far greater people than anyone posting here. In it, is says a husband will feed, clothe, and otherwise support his wife. Now, it seems people want the opposite. Let them make a different kesubah for themselves. They’re violating the terms of the one they have.
mw13, unfortunately, in today’s world, not everyone can give tzedakah, and many people, even those not learning, need to take it. How many people have medical bills? How many people are told because they work, they can’t get a break on tuition, and can barely afford to put food on the table because of it?
Look at organizations like Tomchei Shabbos, and see how many people desperately need their help, whether working or learning. The fact is, I already support kollel people. I pay their rent through HUD, I pay for their insurance through Medicade, I pay for their food through welfare, I feed their children through WIC… need I go on? My taxes pay for their needs.
It would be nice if the only tzedakah needed was to support people sitting and learning. Unfortunately, that’s not teh case. other people have tzaros also.
Joseph, it’s not a Rashi. It’s written next to two other mitzvos – the mitzva to have pizza on motzei Pesach, and the mitzva to go to a concert on motzei Shabbos Nachamu.
lgbg, what you’d want as a son-in-law doesn’t really matter. There are plenty of people here (Joseph?) who probably wouldn’t want a guy who wears blue shirts as a son-in-law. Does that mean it’s wrong to wear a blue shirt? No, people want a certain type, and someone who goes to a bar might not be the type they want. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
teenager, after this semester is over, you might want to take a break for a bit and go to a good school in Israel. You said that you need to surround yourself with the right people; you can do that. I recommend going to Neve Yerushalayim for a few months. I know girls who went there, swearing they were done with Judaism, who are now completely frum – some of them even married kollel guys! The teachers there give over their knowledge with such caring and warmth, and they can represent the best of Judaism. I highly recommend you try it out.
squeak, that has more answers than almost any other riddle I know.
A newspaper
A skunk in a blender
A yeshiva bachur on his first date
there are more, I just don’t feel like writing them all.
zimby, you’ve been reading your Tolkien, haven’t you? That is where you got the egg riddle from, right?
noitallmr, do you mean in terms of the text of the Gemara only, not counting Rashi and Tosafos? If so, it’s in Nazir – daf lamed gimmel, I think, although I’m not sure exactly. One amud has something like 4 lines, the other amud is entirely Tosafos.
Wolf, do you believe human beings evolved from monkeys?
The Torah says that Hashem created man on the same day he created monkeys. It also says he formed him from Earth.
Evolution contradicts that.
000646: Evolution theory states that living beings evolved over billions of years. The world isn’t that old. So yes, saying that people evolved from monkeys does contradict the Torah.
The theory behind evolution can happen – the idea that things adapt to their surroundings. Who says that animals today are exactly as they were 5,000 years ago? They might have changed.
However, to say that people came from monkeys or apes is wrong. The Torah says that Hashem created man, and that man was able to speak, reason, etc.
The theory that living things evolved over billions of years is also wrong, as we know the world isn’t even close to that old.
Yes, there are fossils. Do you know why? The Medrash says that whenever Hashem does something miraculous, He does something to make it possible to not believe in it. For example, it says that before Kriyas Yam Suf, the wind blew hard all night. That’s so people who didn’t want to believe in the miracle could claim the wind caused it.
In this case, the fossils are there so that a person could believe Hashem didn’t create the world.
GMAB: congrats. You were fooled by Hashem Himself!
Icot: Which town do you come from? They would both point to Truthtown.
iluvchulent, there are a few people: Lot had children with both of his daughters after Sedom was destroyed. So, Amon and Moav both had a father and grandfather who were the same person.