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A while back you wrote “it’s irrelevant why someone is religious”
But you see, if you would accept the simple idea that what you believe is not an unarguable proven fact (despite the fact that you believe it with all your heart)but rather that it is something that for whatever reason you simply CHOSE to believe on faith; it will make it easier for you to accept that someone you love may choose not to believe it.
If however you honestly think that the belief system you have chosen has been proven as a fact to be true and that anyone who believes anything else is either dishonest or simply ignorant it will make nearly impossible for you to make peace with the idea that someone you care about disagrees with you on this.
There is nothing wrong with believing something based on faith (as long as you aren’t harming anyone because of it) but admitting to yourself that this is the case would go a long way in helping you make peace with the fact that someone you love has chosen a different path then you.
W-O-W You said, “I will just say that I don’t know a single person who is religious bc it fills a void in their life, or bc they cannot cope without it.”
I know many-but lets not debate this point, it is almost completely irrelevant. The main point was that “The VAST VAST majority of religious people do not even claim that the reason they are religious is because they objectively studied all the available evidence and came to the conclusion that a particular religion is the truth. (If everyone did this there would be only one universal set of beliefs that every religious person agrees is true…)”
W-O-W,
You said “I think you are misunderstanding why people are religious. It’s not like a ‘diet’ that works, or an outfit that fits, it’s a truth. Simple as that.”
That’s how you see it-and that is fine. However many would disagree
The VAST VAST majority of religious people do not even claim that the reason they are religious is because they objectively studied all the available evidence and came to the conclusion that a particular religion is the truth. (If everyone did this there would be only one universal set of beliefs that every religious person agrees is true…)
The overwhelming majority of people who are religious are religious because it fills a void in their life, or because they feel they cannot cope without it, or because they were brought up that way etc. etc.
I am not interested in having a debate here about if Judaisim or any other religion can be proven-this is not the place for that kind of conversation so please lets not go there
I find it fascinating how frum people who deal in Kiruv say this kind of thing to parents of Balei Tshuva all the time but when the situation is the reverse they have such a hard time realizing this.
W-O-W,
The point is simply that a religious life is not for everyone. It works superbly for some people and brings much happiness to their lives and for others it simply does not work and they are happier living without it.
People as much as they are similar to each other are different from each other. The way of life that made you able to cope with the hardships of your life may make coping impossible for someone else-its just how it is.
If your son chooses a different way of life then you that is not a reason for you to beat yourself up or be upset at him.
Believe it or not there is not one way of life that works for everyone and by accepting this fact you will only gain his respect.
Sam2
1.) The possuk of “Vlo Sikrivu” is part of and talking about specific ervos mentioned in the “parsha of arayos”
2.) Touching your wife who is a Nida is a “Harchaka” being Boel her is a Deoraisa.
So again,
If the whole reason why it is ossur to touch a Pnuyah is because she may be a Niddah how could it possibly be more then a Drbonnon (let alone Yiharog Vlo Yaavor) to touch her, if touching a Niddah is only Ossur Drobonon?
MDD,
You said,
“it says in the parsha of arayos:”velo sikarvu legalos erva…”.”
Right but isn’t that talking about the Aryaos mentioned in “the Parsha of aryaos”? I dont think Niddah is one of them.
Furthermore I don’t think that anyone argues that the “Harchakos” (like not touching eachother) that a married couple observes are only D’robonnon.
Why would not touching a niddah you are not married too be an issur Doraisa- not to mention “Yahrog va’al yaavor”?
I have a few questions:
1.) How could it be Yahrog Vlo Yavvor isn’t that only for “Arayos”?
2.) Isn’t not touching a woman you aren’t married too only a derobonon?
3.) If it is Doraisa were in a posuk do we learn that you cannot touch a woman?
4.) Isn’t even being Boel a Pnuyah just a Laav like eating Treif, and isnt it not listed with Aryos in the Torah
5.) Since when are Lavvin (as bad as they may be and as much as they should not be done) Yahrog Vaal Yaavor (and the Laav here isn’t touching, it is being boel!!!!!)?
6.) Why would this Laav be included in “Aryaos” if it is not called “Gilui Aryos” in the Torah??
If the write up about this Asifa in the lakewood voice’s before pesach edition was anything to go by they are going to inform us at this Asifa that…..wait for it… there is such a thing as filters!!!
I don’t understand why people do not get that the only way to fight this is to make Yiddishkeit more appealing not the things that are assur more assur…. these days you cannot force ANYONE to do ANYTHING you need to sell it to them.
Lakewood township’s Purchasing Manager is R’ Yehuda Abraham
How could an adult putting his saliva in direct contact with an infant’s open wounds possibly not be dangerous???
If a doctor spit on the instruments he was using to examine (not to mention inserting like shots, tongue depressors etc.)your child with would you be O.K. with that??
As far as the “we have been doing this for the past 3500 years” argument;
1.)The infant mortality rate was so high for the vast majority of those “3500 years” that we do not sit Shiva for a baby that dies within the 30 days. I wouldn’t use the fact that they did anything then as a reason to continue doing it
2.)For most of the “3500 years” the vast, vast majority of people did not believe that diseases were caused by germs. The idea that somebody’s saliva could carry an STD or disease would be impossible to their minds, so of course they had no problem with it!