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gavra_at_work, you are spectacular! mamesh a wonderful pilpul. I vote to have you set up the next question. Who else agrees?
Bubby, this is only my attempt to have a gander at it. But sorry, I don’t understand what you meant by “I never thought of myself as stupid before.”
Did anyone make a reference of such?
In any case, my mehadrin bus experiences have been nothing but good, Baruch H-Shem. On the gashmiut side of it, one can say “maybe you live in a town where only nice and polite people live” but on the Ruchani side of it …….. really, Daniel, don’t we go thru certain nisyonot to test us? Doesn’t Hakadosh Baruch Hu want to see how we handle certain situations? If we go thru life having bitter experiences, Chazal teach us to “lefashpesh Bema’asaynu”
10Q Jax – yes, I am pretty green – hope to be ripe soon. Yishar Koyach for the welcoming!!!!!!!!!!!!
David S, a suggestion for you that always works. Ask the Rav of the shul to say a few words about the issue. Maybe review the halachot once more. I wouldn’t take it into my own hands to be mochi’ach them. If they take it the wrong way, you might have the avaira of embarssing them.
and to your question 4 weeks ago:
“Now for a real tough question: In the Yerushalmi Sotah 17a R’ Elazar says a woman can learn by listening to a shiur or such. Then: it says right after that Matronah ( a woman) asked him a shaila, and he said .’The only wisdom of a woman is in sewing’ It is contradicting! How is it? Some one please answer! I am stumped sooooo bad.”
I’ll have a try at it, let me know if I’m close ……………..
1) There is no obligation for torah learning for women. They can sit and listen and are under no obligation to participate. Maybe she felt compelled to ask as this was the norm.
2) It is known that women have been blessed to be multi-taskful. She could sew and listen to torah at the same time.
3) What was the Sheila that she asked? Perhaps the answer to that specific sheila was “The only wisdom of a woman is in sewing”
Well (be kind) ……………… how do I score?
SJSinNYC, maybe this was an isolated case for your friend. I frequently take mehadrin buses and do sit on that so called “border” towards the back of the bus and do speak with my family and often see the same where wives speak to their husbands and vice versa. However, most of the time it is in a low tone of voice. Till this day, I have never been insulted nor heard anyone be insulted. Oy! I wonder what happened this time around with your friend – it sounds so out of the ordinary.
Daniel Breslauer, One time we were traveling on mehadrin 451 to Yerushaliim, where I also got sick and wanted to throw up. The bus driver kindly pulled over for a few minutes while “it all came out” and when I was done, we resumed the drive. The bus was full and not only did everyone wait patiently, but I was showered with “is everything alright?” and “do you need some water?” type of comments. I couldn’t thank the driver and the passengers enough. Maybe, this is a bit out of the ordinary, but there are good stories and unfortunate stories – this is a fact with everything in life. In either case, it’s a nisayon from H-shem and we must think 5 steps ahead before acting or reacting. Remember, we are being filmed 24/7. You’re in the spot light right now – what will be your next remark ……………???????????????????
Daniel Breslauer, you would make a great chilul H-shem if you report your version of the story to Yedioth Ahronoth. There is also another version of the story from the other passengers. Everyone who willingly takes the Mehadrin buses are satisfied with the Mehadrin rules, this is why the system was built. BTW, why would you post this story where most of the readers are frum? What kind of machloket are you trying to start?
SJSinNYC, was the female in your story perhaps was talking about inappropriate subjects or being a bit too loud and being the center of attraction where innocent ears of our tinokot shel beit raban may be influenced? I don’t agree with name calling and I do agree with you that we should “all” get along, but there must be mutual respect. I’m sure this female friend wouldn’t walk into 100 sha’arim in a bathing suit. One has to respect the area according to it’s standards.