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From the perceived tone of your post you seem to be offended at what I wrote. I assure you that it was definitely not my intention to offend you or anyone else. (Note that I made sure to include that it is a respectable profession.)
I was sharing (with the original poster) my personal experience as to why it wouldn’t have been the best choice for me. Anyone reading that can decide if it’s applicable to them or not.
I’m going to address your response now.
1. The state that I was in at the time had either already changed the requirements to 150 credits or it was going to go into effect in the not so distant future. My friends who took the exams a few years later needed 150 credits. (Although the vast majority were Yeshiva credits which were a non-issue.)
2. When I left Kollel and got my first corporate job (a fresh college graduate with 2 actuarial exams) the going salary for an accountant with no experience who had just passed the CPA was between 50% and 60% of what I was getting. That extra amount was crucial at the time as I already had some kids and another one on the way.
3. True- the salary in any position will plateau at a certain point- unless someone is willing to take some extra risks and put it lots of extra effort, something I’m not willing to do. My CPA friends (except for the ones who became partners/CFOs…) seemed to have plateaued about ten years in.
In my role I’ve been able to steadily move up by working on more complex products and projects (within the same department) and without taking risks or putting in significantly extra amounts of time. As of last year I definitely hadn’t plateaued and if I’m at my plateau now- well it’s different being here after 20 years in than after ten. (My second kid just graduated college and I just paid the last tuition statement- think about what kind of annual pre tax raise that feels like.)
4. When I was in college there was little to no chance that I would have settled in the state I was attending Yeshiva and college. Had I studied for and passed the CPA exams in that state I definitely wouldn’t have had enough experience for it to have been easily transferable after I got married, settled in NY and was looking for my first corporate position.
Even though I’m mostly retired from the Coffee Room I try to respond to all comments meant for me. If you reply please address it to me (by putting the “@“ symbol followed by my name at the beginning of the post) – it’ll make it easier for me to find.
When I was growing up I thought I was going to be a CPA. Although it is a respectable profession, when I started college my father convinced me out of it for the following reasons:
1. To sit for the exam you need 150 credits (not necessarily a masters per se but basically the equivalent),
2. After passing the CPA exam you still need a certain amount of experience to officially become a CPA,
3. The salary plateaus at a certain point unless you’re ambitious and put in lots of extra effort to really get ahead,
4. Ask around if you need different certifications for different states- it would be a shame to get certified in NY and then need to get additional certifications if you move to NJ.
5. This may not apply to you but he felt that I didn’t have enough personality to become a CPA.
This was all about 30 years ago and things may have changed since then (although I never looked back and regretted my decision).
Before making a decision though, check online what the going salary is for your location is and read the article in Mishapacha Magazine (Issue 1030) regarding the tuition crisis. It would be a shame to put in so much effort only to ask for scholarships, live paycheck to paycheck and not able to afford anything else.
Whatever you decide I wish you lots of הצלחה.
If you keep lying you going to be perpetually called a liar. 🤥
You’re willing to have an honest conversation? No you’re not, you’re lying 🤥 again!
Before I categorized you as a liar I gave you a few chances to correct yourself. I pointed out instances where you’ve lied and purposely misquoted me (in a fruitless attempt to discredit me) but you never explained or corrected yourself. I even linked the original thread as you supposedly couldn’t find it even though I told you the name and approximate date and you still haven’t responded to those accusations.
If someone were to ask me who I’m voting for the simple answer I will give is that I’m voting for President Trump. If they get into more detailed questions I will explain that it’s more that I’m voting against the Democrats and all that they stand for. I believe that I’ve always been clear on that.
Anyway- this discussion is reminiscent of the other one where I gave up on responding to you so unless you own up to your lies and do תשובה I’m done responding to your posts.
As some parting words of advice- if you can only stand up for your political party by lying and trying to discredit someone who points out your lies- maybe it’s time to rethink your political views.
If you can’t get away with lying in this world you’re definitely not going to get away with it in the next world.
Sadly I don’t think it’s going to happen. I invited squeak to come back but he’s not considering it.
I also suspected that it was an overreaction and once she starts doing press conferences and people are reminded of who she is, how she talks, how she laughs and how much damage she and Biden did to the country- the 401(k)s will shoot to even higher levels.
In the meantime I think השם is sending us a message not to be too comfortable and we need to continue to daven.
@ Little Froggie
I only know a fraction of what went on in the background but it was enough for me to decide to leave.
When I originally signed up for an account here I used an old email account that my wife used before we got married (I was afraid of spam) so I wasn’t too affected.
As I’ve mentioned before, no poster needs to ask me מחילה for anything. I understand that some posters may not agree with my Pro- Torah opinions and argue in a disrespectful way but by posting in a public forum I’m opening myself up to that and I forgive everyone retroactively.
@ ☕️coffee addict
I’m years away from retirement (and I love my job so much that I hope I never retire) but I do check my 401(k) on a regular basis. Not that I’m concerned with how much is in there but when it sky rocketed (before Biden was forced out of the running) I took it as a good sign that investors were betting on President Trump winning and fixing the economy. Unfortunately after Biden was forced out my 401(k) took a huge hit- not that I’m concerned about the amount that I lossed- I’m concerned that the investors aren’t so confident that President Trump will win and fix the economy. (I trust the direction of my 401(k) more than any polls out there.)
It brings up such good memories doesn’t it. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like those posters (or topics) will ever be back.
There you go again- lying and purposely misrepresenting what I said to discredit me. I’ve stated a number of times that I’m not voting for Donald Trump per se, rather I’m voting against the Democratic Party and all they stand for. Pointing out the hypocrisy of you and the other leftists, libs and laszlos on this site (by showing that Biden’s actions are worse than President Trump) in no way defends President Trump’s actions.
I’m relying entirely on something? I specifically wrote “Let’s assume”. Why are you purposely ignoring that? When did I ever say that Bill is more reliable than anyone else? I proposed a realistic scenario to try to get you to look at it from a different angle. Why do you have a hard time believing that something that Biden said isn’t true? I also made sure to end off the topic that I’m “skeptical”, not that I know for sure one way or the other. I also made sure to mention that that the NY Post article shouldn’t be taken as 100% factual either. Your purposely ignoring that speaks volumes about your credibility.
It contradicts with everything everyone else said on the subject? Did everyone else get their information from the same unreliable person (i.e. Joe Biden)? Why does it make it more believable when millions of people repeat something they heard from a notorious liar? He lied about how many grandkids he had (something the entire world knew he was lying about) to cover up his son’s affair, why do you find it so hard to believe that he would lie to cover up his own affair?
Where are you getting from that President Trump had documents scattered all around? I thought they were locked in a vault? There’s no comparison to President Trump having lots of boxes secured in a vault on a secure property to Hillary having secret information on a server that may have been hacked. And she purposely destroyed the evidence so no one will know.
Unless you start being honest, I’m most probably done communicating with you again.
You claim to be a glorified computer programmer so I’m not sure why you’re having such a hard time finding the thread when I told you the name (politicizing tragedies) and approximate date (mid 2022) but I looked it up for you. It’s here: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/politizing-tradegies
August 7th 1974 – 50 years ago today.
At the top of the world-
Philippe Petit strung a cable from one of the Twin Towers to the other and walked back and forth 8 times over 45 minutes before surrendering to the Port Authority Police. He was arrested and charged with trespassing although the charges were dropped. He was 24 at the time and had been planning this since 1968.Meanwhile at the bottom of the world-
The Glomar Explorer, a “drilling ship” operated by the CIA, had lowered a grappler to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean and was slowly raising Russian Nuclear Submarine, K-129, that had sank a number of years earlier. The CIA wanted to check out the nuclear weapons as well cryptographic equipment and code books. The submarine broke in two on the way up and it’s unclear what the CIA was able to recover. Planning for this mission began in 1968 as well.It’s not me that changed it’s the Coffee Room and Society as a whole that changed.
When I created an account here the Coffee Room didn’t even exist- and when it was created there wasn’t even a link to it on the homepage- I used to scroll down to latest “Mailbag” post and navigate from there. Do you also have fond memories of the early days?
In its infancy the Coffee Room was a great place to safely shmooze with Frum people with lots of entertaining and thought provoking topics and barely any politics (which I mostly ignored). After the breach (והמבין יבין) I no longer felt safe and left (except for an annual April Fools visit).
Unfortunately it looks like most of the fun topics and people from back then are gone, replaced with politically based topics and ferocious anti- Torah posters who feel that their beliefs need to be shared. I feel that there needs to be someone to stand up for השם and the תורה in a place that’s called “The Yeshiva World”.
Trust me, it’s not in my nature to write like this and I wish someone else would step up and do the dirty work.
There seems to be too many simple minded people here who can ח״ו be swayed by the ideology of some of the vicious leftists, libs and laszlos who post their anti- Torah garbage and someone needs to point it out.
You’re good with following patterns- I’m hoping that you and everyone else will take note that I tried being diplomatic with everyone here (I’m not perfect) until the other person began acting in an uncivil manner.
@ ☕️coffee addict
No, it wouldn’t. But the size of my 401(k) wouldn’t either matter yet I’m not about to drain it.
The bottom line is we have to hope that משיח comes today but be prepared in case he doesn’t.
I have yet to see a leftist, lib, laszlo justify their voting Democrat on the hopes that the world will be destroyed sooner and משיח will be here sooner.
In real life I try to be the nicest person as I’m very מקפיד on בן אדם לחברו but I’m more concerned with בן אדם למקום hence why you may think that I’m aggressive when it comes to defending השם (on a website geared to Frum people no less). Luckily I barely have to deal with people claiming to be Frum but with leftist views. On the rare occasion I pretend to be clueless while engaging the offender in what they think is small talk until they come to the realization that their views are contradictory. Some admit that they never looked at it from the other side while some just dig themselves deeper and deeper.
It’s funny that you mention Shidduchum as I’m a survivor of Shadchan abuse and tried everything that I could think of to get them to leave me alone. Unfortunately telling them off, hanging up on them and just not answering the phone didn’t work as they’d send my friends after me. Coming from a family of חסד my mother invited over her friends who had daughters in shidduchim but couldn’t get the shadchanim to answer the phone or return their call. (This was before the days of cellphones but people were starting to get Caller ID.) It was hilarious how they’d pick up on the first ring when they saw the number on the Caller ID- and then come up with a lame excuse why they didn’t have time and promise to call back but never did.
Anyway- back to the topic. Let’s assume that in 1972 Joe and his late wife were at the Stone Balloon and Joe saw Jill, sniffed her hair and decided that he liked the way it smells. He introduces himself as a Senator and the ever so power hungry Jill thinks this may be her opportunity to eventually become the wife of a Senator and the two start an affair. Not too far fetched yet.
Eventually Jill’s ex learns of the affair, the marriage breaks down and Joe finds himself a widower. If he’s still trying to build his political career and she’s vying for more power do you really think they’re going to be honest with the Wilmington Morning News as to how they met or concoct a more innocent story?
Do you honestly think that Jill’s ex would want it publicized that his wife ran off with a hair sniffing perverted senator? Do you think that he’d have the same kind of press time that she did? Do you think that maybe he was afraid of Joe and his brother after they weaponized the DOJ against him?
Hopefully by now you understand why I’m a bit skeptical about your sources. (Not that the NY Post article should be taken as 100% factual either.)
I still don’t agree with you that President Trump is a bigger liar and cheater than Biden. If presidents were chosen by their moral behavior we could discuss that. Given the crisis going on in the country and entire world, presidents should be chosen by policy and reputation above anything else.
Which president had no wars starting under their command? Which president brought down the price of gas? Which president caused inflation to sky rocket? Which president opened the borders to illegal immigrants? Which president is compromised by China? And the list goes on and on.
Now it’s sickening that people claiming to be Frum can disregard all that, while over 100 of our brothers and sisters are still being held hostage, and claim that they can’t vote for President Trump because he’s immoral but would have voted for Biden despite his immoral behavior.
Claiming that President Trump is משיח is pushing it a little too far but the recent events are going to make it pretty hard for anyone to justify to השם in the next world why they voted Democrat.
I understand if you don’t have an instant recall to every thread you commented in so that’s why I pointed you to the politicizing tragedies thread (from mid 2022). In that thread you accused me of quoting the NRA (an association that I abhor) near- verbatim in an effort to discredit me. I gave you numerous instances to show me the quote or retract what you wrote. When you refused to I felt that you lost your חזרת כשרות and that was one of the reasons why I stopped responding to your posts.
@ Reb Eliezer
Before finding faults in others look at yourself.
You consider yourself intelligent yet you still vote Democrat. Obviously just because someone is smart (or thinks they’re smart) doesn’t mean that they never do the wrong thing.
If you’re that smart why don’t you see that the consequences of voting Democrat are more wars, higher gas prices, higher food prices, unsecured borders, increased fentanyl deaths, rampant immorality, increased antisemitism, funding for our adversaries…?
@ Reb Eliezer
Were you replying to someone in particular?
Thankfully I’m not either a debater- I’d go out of my mind if on a regular basis I had to deal with people like you (who lie, purposely miss the point, ignore things that they don’t want to answer and try to make the person they’re conversing with look bad when they have nothing left so say).
I asked you where you got your information from and you refused to answer that but then you criticize me for not stating my source. I purposely didn’t state my source as I mentioned that it was biased against Biden. If you really wanted to know you could have done a Google Search and found it in less than five seconds. (But anyway- check out the article titled “Jill Biden’s ex-husband accuses her of affair with Joe in 1970s” from the New York Post.) Of course, that article is going to be contrary to most other sources on the Internet because Jill has a louder voice online and someone like you who is biased against President Trump isn’t going to look for the other side of the story.
Now you’re purposely missing the point again. I’m not discussing President Trumps morality or credibility, what I’m saying is that Biden has said some really bad lies (I listed some in the “End of MAGA” thread that you conveniently ignored) and done some really immoral stuff (like showering with his teenage daughter per her diary). Anyone who claims that they’re not voting for President Trump because of his credibility or morality but was planning on voting for Biden before he was forced out is seriously disturbed (regardless of whether their lies can be classified as in the same ballpark or not).
You mentioned in the “End of MAGA” thread that you would like to respond to the accusations so I pointed out the thread where you consistently lied. Do you plan on responding?
@ Reb Eliezer
If that was always true then that’s a different story. Unfortunately it’s not always the case.
Where are you getting this information from? In the article that I read Jill’s ex claimed that Joe starting getting close to Jill (and a little too close according to some acquaintances) two years earlier than Jill claims.
Although this article was clearly biased against Biden as it mentions how he and his brother threatened the ex to let Jill have the entire house or they’re going to send the DOJ after him (which they ultimately ended up doing) so I don’t know which is accurate one way or the other.
You may also want to read up about how Biden destroyed the life of the truck driver after his late wife accidentally drive into his path. Biden claimed that he was drinking- which was a lie. She ran a stop sign and he didn’t.
By the way- President Trumps moral behavior isn’t in question so I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up. The issue is with people who say that they’re not voting for President Trump because of his immortality but would have voted for Biden if he wasn’t forced out.
It used to happen to me all the time- I’d put it on the dashboard, slam the door and the receipt would go flying. What I got into the habit of doing is leaving one of the back doors open while I close the front door and then slowly closing the back door (and double and triple checking the dashboard). Sure it’s a pain but it’s less of a pain than fighting a ticket.
I’m not the only one who has that issue, a friend of @bein_hasidorim had that problem on a date, luckily she had lip gloss to stick it to the dashboard (not sure what he does now as if I remember correctly the trick worked but not the date).
I’m familiar with that. She ultimately got divorced anyway- didn’t she?
My point was that some posters had an issue with President Trumps immoral behavior with unmarried women while purposely ignoring Joe’s immoral behavior with a married woman.
I was walking by a meter maid who slapped a ticket on a car in a way that there was practically no way it was going to be there by the time the owner got back. When I mentioned it to her she patted the printer on her side and said that as long as it’s recorded there it’s all good.
I wish you lots of הצלחה and lots of נחת from your son but before moving forward I think you should look into cases where someone was expelled and then let back in using pull, connections or whatever method was available and seeing what their experience was afterwards. (It wasn’t always pleasant.)
Also, keep in mind that (as I’m sure you already know) just because a kid was expelled, it doesn’t mean that it’s the kid that doesn’t belong there.
I’m not sure what difference it makes.
I think I see what the issue is. I have two categories when it comes to lying-
(1). Those that don’t lie
(2). Those that do lie.You seem to have two categories as well albeit very different ones-
(1). Those who either lie like a politician or don’t lie
(2). Everyone else.There not much you can respond to the accusations as I gave you ample opportunities back then before recategorizing you. Apparently you felt that as long as your lies are delegitimizing someone who doesn’t agree with you then you’re right along with politicians.
Head over to the thread regarding politicizing tragedies from late Spring / early Summer of 2022 if you don’t recall what I’m referring to.
Biden dastardly claimed that no soldiers were killed while he was president, knowing good and well that 13 US Heroes died in his bungled Afghanistan withdrawal- and that their families were probably watching him live. I don’t care if you want to excuse that because it’s ok for politicians to talk like that – it’s very wrong.
Biden claiming that he only has six grandchildren to hide his son’s affair that the entire world already knows about is just cruel. Think of his poor grandkid who, besides being born into the most corrupt family in the US and now has her very own grandfather pretending that she’s insignificant and doesn’t exist. Are you justifying it because that’s how politicians are?
What about his outright lies regarding his son’s business and the bribes that made him a compromised president? Are you writing that off as well since it’s politics as usual?
Anyone who says that they weren’t going to vote for President Trump because he lies but was going to vote for Biden instead is seriously sick in the head.
I was hoping to get a response from @yechiell but he obviously has something to hide. I stopped conversing with you over two years ago as you seem to have some serious honesty issues. But given that this post is about lying, something you’re experienced in, I’m going to make an exception and respond.
I asked @yechiell for a single example of where President Trump lied during the debate and the instance he mentioned was when President Trump downplayed the events of January 6th. I asked him why that bothers him more than the outright lie from Biden that he’s the only president this century who doesn’t have any, this decade, that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world.
Are you equating Bidens lie to being the same magnitude of “some college kid saying “I don’t like Netanyahu””” while equating President Trumps downplay of the events of January 6th to the magnitude of “a rabid fascist declaring that Jews need to die”?
@ coffee addict
I’d like to think so as well but I’m just at loss trying to figure out what’s going on in their minds.
@ coffee addict
As I told @jackk (hope he’s doing ok and תשובה wherever he is) one of the many times he told me that he’s not replying to me anymore- when I respond I’m not responding to the poster per se, I’m responding to the post to point out the hypocrisy for the benefit of those who may be too naive to realize it on their own.
I’ve asked you this before but never got an answer.
Why does it bother you when you claim President Trump lied but I never see you complaining about Biden’s lies?
(For example- no soldiers died while he was president, he lied about the number of grandchildren he has…)
Why are you taking things out of context?
Unfortunately this is a very critical time in our country’s history and what he was saying was that you have to vote him into office so that he can fix the mess left by Biden. Once he gets back into office and makes this country great again you won’t have to vote anymore if you don’t want to.
Until recently I never bothered to vote and I’m yearning for the day when I won’t have to anymore.
Why does his comment about people not having to vote anymore trigger you more than Harris getting the nomination without ordinary citizens being able to vote on it?
Stop focusing on what President Trump says or does- he has a sky high IQ and most people can’t even comprehend his brilliance.
Instead you should focus on the outcome of what he says and does.
He cozied up with Putin and the despot from North Korea- setting aside the utmost respect that he deserves, I thought he was crazy but look back at how well they behaved when he was in power. Now look what happened once President Trump left the White House and a weak, incompetent and inexperienced president came in.
President Trump was tough on Iran and brought them to the verge of bankruptcy, I thought they’d go ballistic and was terrified of what they’d do. But they were afraid to do anything. Unfortunately look what happened when an old senile pervert came into the White House.
I currently feel no threats from Neo- Nazis. If it took President Trump to host one of them for dinner then I’m all for it.
@ Reb Eliezer
Did you vote for Biden? Jill was married to someone else when Biden started living with her.
@ Reb Eliezer
Did you vote for Biden- Jill was married to someone else when Biden started living with her.
Someone who takes millions in bribes that costs the country trillions of dollars is extremely selfish.
If he’s so selfless why did it take him so long to give up the presidential bid?
Reb Eliezer,
I never wrote that not voting for President Trump is against the Torah and you know that. You’re lying to try and discredit me but it’s not going to work and here’s why.
The issue is with your support for the party that encourages relationships that the Torah calls an abomination, encourages the slaughter of unborn babies, practically makes it legal to shoplift up to a certain amount, makes it harder for innocent people to protect themselves, is making policies that enrich our enemies and is made a mockery of the highest court by appointing a judge based on her being a female while not being able to define what a female is. How many of the שבע מצות בני נח did I just mention?
And what’s with the hypocrisy- you won’t vote for President Trump since you consider him selfish, immoral and a liar but you voted for Biden whose selfishness caused caused the country trillions of Dollars, whose immorality knows no bounds (check out the many videos of him online touching and sniffing women inappropriately- and that’s while he knew the cameras were rolling- imagine the stuff he did when there were no cameras around) and is an outright liar (he knew nothing of his sons business, no soldiers died while he was in office, he took the train over a bridge that never had train tracks…).
When was the last time I ever referred to him as anything other than “Reb Eliezer”?
Instead of telling me that I should be ashamed to write something why don’t you explain why I should be ashamed? I also noticed that you didn’t bother to point out where in the Shulchan Aruch it says that an elderly person who knowingly and publicly disgraces Hashem and the Torah still deserves respect- I’m going to guess that it doesn’t say it anywhere. (Let’s set aside any individual person at this time- if the Shulchan Aruch actually says that then I’m wrong and there’s nothing left to discuss.)
When did I ever say every single thing a Republican says is Torah? I believe I mentioned a number of times that I’m not voting for the Republican Party per se, rather I’m voting against the Democratic Party and all that they stand for (I never write that I’m voting Republican because they’re Daas Torah).
In general, in the political discussions I’m part of here, I’m trying to point out to those who ferociously support the Democratic Party based on faults in the Republican Party- that they’re being hypocritical as the faults are much worse in the Democratic Party. But they usually don’t bother to respond.
(E.g. @yechiell mentioned that President Trump lied in the debate and there was some back and forth until he finally provided a case where he lied. I then asked him why that bothered him more than an outright lie from Biden but he didn’t respond.)
I try to be civil with everyone regarding their political beliefs but once they get uncivil I have no problem responding as such. I actually sat next to someone at a Simcha yesterday who said that he won’t be voting for President Trump in November and we had a very civilized discussion about it. I still don’t agree with him but I respect his opinion. I offered you to hit the reset button and discuss our differences civilly but you haven’t taken me up on my offer yet.
Me and my ilk? You’re going to bunch me into a category of people that talk like that because I also plan to vote for President Trump? Since you can’t stand on your own merits you’re going to try and discredit me with false accusations? Again, I try to be respectful when discussing topics with others who don’t necessarily agree with my opinion- until the other person becomes uncivil. I’m human- if I messed up somewhere please point it out and I’ll apologize.
If you want to call me a fool why do it surreptitiously, go right ahead and call me a fool straight out- coming from you I won’t be offended. And I stand up for Talmedei Chachamim- unless doing so would disrespect a Sefer Torah.
Politics has skewed my mind to the point that Halachos don’t matter?
You’re 100% wrong again. Politics have nothing to do with how I serve Hashem. I serve Hashem based on how the Torah says to serve Hashem and no amount of money or handouts could get me to budge an iota.
Politics has actually brought out the true colors of those that pretend to serve Hashem but then turn the other way when the Democrats dangle money in front of them.
Those that are as knowledgeable in the Torah as you claim they are yet vote for the party that’s anti-Hashem and anti-Torah show how they really feel about Hashem and the Torah.
After the tragic events that happened on October 7th, anyone that still supports the political party that funded our adversaries and is emboldening our enemies (to holdout for an extremely lopsided prisoner swap) for the handouts that the Democrats are dangling in front of them is showing their true colors of what’s more important to them.
I’m by far not an expert in the Shulchan Aruch so if you can point me to where it says that an elderly person who knowingly and publicly disgraces Hashem and the Torah still deserves respect I’ll apologize to Reb Eliezer and be more respectful to him.
I have no idea what you’re inferring by “Hanei Bavle Tipshai” so if you explain it in English I try to address that as well.
@ Reb Eliezer-
Why is it that you and other Leftists/Libs/Laszlos claim President Trump is a liar and point out how many times you claim he lied during the debate but ignore Bidens lies?
Why did it not bother you when Biden claims that he’s the only president this century who doesn’t have any, this decade, that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world?
@ Reb Eliezer
The main point of the question that you seen to be purposely avoiding is if it’s always more important to go to someone who’s a mentch. Can you just answer the question? We can discuss later on if it’s a comparable parable or not.
I have no idea what you were trying to convey in the next two posts. If you reword them I’ll be happy to discuss it with you.
@ coffee addict-
When I post stuff here I understand that others may respond offensively and I’m always מוחל everyone בלב שלם retroactively (even the posters that have contacted me personally).
I was actually honored by what @yechiell wrote (I’m not sure why the Mods didn’t let it through) as I’d be in big trouble with the one above of someone like him agreed with my opinions.
@ coffee addict-
Same here, the ones in person are the best as the person you’re talking to can’t just walk away or pretend that they didn’t hear what you said.
I pretend that I’m clueless on the matter and ask incrementally harder questions until they realize that their beliefs are contradictory. At that point they usually just admit that they never looked at it from that direction.
Standing up out of respect for someone who knows as much Torah as you claim he does yet votes Democrat is a disgrace to Hashem and the Torah.
If you’ve davened with him more times than you can count can you let us all know he if steps out for שביעי in אחרי מות?
If he’d be a tough leader and Pro-Israel (like the previous president) this wouldn’t have started in the first place.
Sending arms to Israel? Yes, he’s sending arms to Israel- but not because he’s Pro-Israel, he’s terrified of Israel going nuclear as it would destabilize the entire Middle East. That’s exactly what happened during the Yom Kippur War- Golda Meir threatened to go nuclear and all of the sudden Nixon started sending weapons to Israel.
You truth haters really know how to spin things.
So you Leftists/Libs/Laszlos are going to continue to vote for the party that enabled our enemies to rise up against us and is still holding our brothers and sisters hostage over the party that literally brought the same despots to their knees and their terror supplier to the brink of collapse?
Reb Eliezer-
Being a mentch is very important (and that and serving Hashem are the first things on my mind when I wake up every morning) but at other times it can take second place.
Consider the following parable.
You’re going on a long road trip with lots of family members when the car starts smoking and overheating so you quickly pull into the closest town as the next one is 300 miles away.
You ask a local where the closest mechanic is and he says that the small town has two mechanics.
The local explains that the two competing mechanics in town are named Donald and the other one is Joe.
Donald is a new, but brilliant, mechanic and will look the car over from bumper to bumper and fix everything in between. No one is sure how he makes a living since he doesn’t even charge enough to cover the parts let alone pay his employees or rent. But be careful- he sends mean Tweets.
Joe on the other hand has been a mechanic for over fifty years yet has never been able to accurately diagnose any issues and seems to replace parts that clearly don’t need to be replaced. Everyone in the town suspects that he has a deal with the manufacturer to replace working parts and he gets to keep 10%. But on the positive side- he doesn’t send mean Tweets.
Oh- and a PSA, keep all females away from Joe as he loves smelling women’s hair and touching little girls and making them uncomfortable.
So Reb Eliezer- which mechanic would you use, Donald or Joe?
You’re correct, my opinions are not facts.
“Best president”? On whose say?
“Worst”? On whose say?I should have explicitly written “for those law abiding US Citizens who take responsibility for themselves but not for illegal aliens, shoplifters, carjackers, murderers, terrorists… and those who want the government to pay for everything for them”.
I thought it was obvious but apparently not.
@ skripka
I try to relate to others at their own level. I’d much rather have a civil conversation but when you write stuff like “That’s sick, dude.” you throw all civility out the window.
In real life I avoid people like that but on a website like this, that’s geared towards Frum people, I feel that I need to stand up for השם and the תורה. If you want to hit the reset button and discuss our differences of opinion in a civil manner- I’m open to that. I’m confident that I’m not going to change your opinion and you’re not going to change mine but I’m always curious to hear the train of thought from those I don’t agree with.
Until then, keep in mind that if you’re going to post Pro- Democratic stuff on a website geared to Frum people- other posters may write things that offend you.
You Leftists/ Libs/ Laszlos never cease to crack me up 😂 .
Even with (according to you) “most of President Trump’s advisors in jail or going to jail” he still managed to be the best president the country has ever been lucky enough to have by a huge margin while you “haven’t heard of a single biden adviser in jail” yet he still managed to be the undisputed worst president ever, even pushing Obama into second place and Carter into third!
Keep em coming!
By “all the more so” I meant to be explicit and not implicit. But back to your point- I do feel that creating a situation that makes multitudes of people comfortable with being עובר an עבירה, or even encouraging people who otherwise wouldn’t have considered doing the עבירה is much worse than being מחלל שבת or eating tarfus (especially when the עבירה is something that the תורה refers to as an abomination). Speak to your rabbi and let me know if she agrees or not.
I haven’t sold my souls to politics. I report to the רבונו של עולם who’s infinitely higher than the people who you sold your soul to. My decisions are made based on what I understand השם wants from me- not what handouts politicians are going to give me in return for voting for them.
When did I ever say that anyone who receives handouts is pasul for eidus? If someone votes Republican and is legitimately in a situation where they need a handout while they get themselves in order- I don’t see anything wrong with that.
What you refer to as “hakaras hatov” I refer to as a bribe. In my “crooked” world a judge or witness who favors those who gave them a bribe is worse than one who doesn’t.
Thanks for taking the time to respond- I’m going to try to better explain my choice of words.
There are two categories (in my opinion- there may be more) of people who identify as Frum yet vote Democrat.
1. Those that are clueless and vote Democrat because they are told to but would be horrified if they knew what the party stood for and
2. Those that are knowledgeable as to what the party stands for but vote for the party anyway (to get free money) and try to justify it.
I was curious about how those in the second category justify their position so I tried discussing it with posters who seemed intelligent enough to know what the party stands for (unsurprisingly I either get no response, a dodgy response or an incoherent response).
Out of respect for the clueless posters I’d refer to a difference in opinion as “not seeing eye to eye”. I’d have no problem referring to a difference of opinion with those in the second category as “I’m totally opposed to what they stand for”. I don’t recall discussing anything political with @Gadolhadorah so to be דן לכף זכות I used the former wording.
As far as Jonathan Pollard is concerned- I probably should have explained my position a little better. The main thing I was trying to convey is that his opinion is irrelevant. He may have provided Israel with top secret information but he didn’t do it with altruistic intentions- he would have sold (and tried to sell) the information to others. This is well documented and public information.
As far as his sentence goes- he made a plea deal with the US Government (it was in the best interest of all parties as he would have gotten a shorter sentence and the US wouldn’t have had to make public some of the information he disclosed). I’m not sure why he violated the terms of the plea deal by granting an interview with Wolf Blitzer (and I’m not sure why Wolf Blitzer was allowed in jail to conduct the interview) but he did violate the terms and as much as I felt bad for him for the 30 years that he was rotting in prison- he shouldn’t have done that.
I’m not going to say if someone deserves something or not- thankfully that’s not my job.
I just implied voting for Democrats is worse than beiong mechallel Shabbos or eating tarfus?
Actually not. It’s the תורה that says that the punishment for משכב זכר is the same punishment for חלול שבת and the תורה calls one of them an abomination… and it’s not חלול שבת. (And by the way- that punishment is much more severe than eating tarfus.)
ברוך השם we were given the תורה or I may have thought otherwise. Without the תורה I wouldn’t have dreamt that the punishment for חלול שבת is סקילה, much more severe than eating tarfus which isn’t even מיתה בידי אדם. (One of your fellow liberal posters even accuses me of being in a cult for being Frum but I’m proud to be part of a “cult” whose leader is השם.)
I’ve literally pasuled the entire tri-state area from being eidem?
Again, actually not- only the ones who vote Democrat (I.e. willing to throw the תורה under the bus for some extra money). And if they’re willing to throw the תורה under the bus for some extra money- do you think for a second that they wouldn’t take some extra money to say false testimony?
And by the way- they pasuled themselves- I didn’t force them to vote for the party that stands against everything the תורה stands for.
I’m sorry if you don’t agree with me but I don’t follow the תורה to be popular- I follow it because that’s what השם wants.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. If I don’t see eye to eye with “sicko” or “sinwar” on just about anything but they claim that 1+1=2 I’m going to have to agree with them on that even if it means going against a respected person who claims that 1+1=3.
You mentioned that you don’t know what Pollard did or didn’t do but I shouldn’t bring up possible crimes that never went to trial. Are you familiar with his case? He didn’t go to trial- he pled guilty and then violated the terms of his plea agreement with is probably why he got the maximum.
@coffee addict
What does what have to do with the spying he was charged with?
How does him spying make him relevant close to 40 years after he was caught?
@Gadolhadorah said that what he says is irrelevant. I normally don’t agree with Gadolhadorah but in this case I do. How does the length of his sentence make him more relevant?