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Health: Here’s the area that proves I’m right:
“That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish”
If there’s genetic reasons for “with autism-like symptoms”, maybe, just maybe, there is genetic reasons for Autism?!?Health, this does not prove ProVaxxers are Right – its evidence ProVaxxers are Wrong!
Among the Amish, the ONLY children with Autism have Obvious Genetic defects similar to Downs Syndrome.
The Amish Children with Autism have ABNORMAL facial features.
The General Population of Children with Autism have NORMAL facial features.This proves that Autism of Amish Children IS purely genetic.
And Autism of Children in General Population IS caused by Vaccines – that is why they LOOK Normal, and
they develop normally until right after they are vaccinated!Dooms -“So, name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.”
Health: I answered this already on page 22.
“4. There has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy….blah, blah,
anti-vaxxers..blah..blah…It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study.”So NAME a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study, Health, or Stop Lying that they exist!
You have NOT answered my challenge to Name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study so stop Lying that you did!
Folks, see how ProVaxxers Lie!?! Health says S/HE answered my challenge to Name a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed
Study but all she does is Copy and Paste from a ProVax website that says there ARE Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed
Studies – but Health Cannot even Produce One Study!
And then Lies that S/HE did Name a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study when she obviously Did Not!Syag: dooms, your blind faith in fake research reminds me of those global warming people.
Actually it is the ProVaxxers who have blind faith in Government and Government PAID Fake Research
just like those global warming people.I believe global warming is a hoax, just like I believe vaccines are a hoax – to enrich the Pharmaceutical Industry and as a Power Grab for Government to ABOLISH Parental Rights and Religious Rights.
If you believe Global Warming is a Hoax, Why do you trust Government Fake Research when it
comes to Vaccines? You’re not making any sense.Health: The reason the government has to force e/o to Vaxx, is
because Anti-vaxxers are not competent to make decisions.The reason the government forces is because government are TYRANTS who want to force
people to do everything they say. Per Government Tyrants, NOBODY is competent to make decisions.
Government wants to tell everyone what to think:
You must say Homosexuality is Good.
You must say a man is a woman and a woman is a man.
You must say Islam is the religion of peace.And they will outlaw Bris Milah and Torah Education because Judaism and Christianity are the
enemies of the Tyrants. This is what happened in Soviet Union and China, and it is already starting here!And you ProVaxxers who support Government FORCING Vaccines are leading the way for
Government to take away right to Bris Milah and Torah Education.
After all, parents are not competent to make decisions for their own children – YOU support that policy!HealthThere has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy.
So, name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.
And vaxxed means per CDC schedule and unvaxxed means 100% unvaxxed.
Health: There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
There were robust body of peer-reviewed scientific studies that supported that smoking doesn’t cause cancer.
For money, you can buy a study supporting anything you want.
You ProVaxxers like Government Force.
Until you won’t like Government Force – but too late.
Health: “Genetic Links to Disorders With Autism Features
That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish, but evidence indicates that many of the disorders with autism-like symptoms noted among these communities are linked to genetic mutations, rather than to a primary diagnosis of ASD.”The autism among Amish is different from the Autism in the general population.
By the Amish, they Know what is causing the Autism – it is rare genetic disorders like Cohen Syndrome which can cause severe retardation. By the Amish, the children who are autistic or retarded
have abnormal facial features – just like down syndrome children look different.That is not the case of the Millions of Children with Autism in the general population.
The children look typical and there is no known genetic condition for the cause of autism.Most amish do not vaccinate and they do not have “typical” autism – only children with known
genetic disorders which cause retardation and abnormal facial features.RebYidAlso, when it comes to having the right to take risks, why should the parent have that right rather than the child?
Because children are not competent to make decisions. Do you let your children decide how much candy
they are allowed to eat, whether they have to go to school, when they want to go to bed, etc?But your argument will be used to OUTLAW Bris Milah and Torah Education.
The Government will say you have no right to decide for the child about Bris Milah or if your child
should be “indoctrinated” in a Religion that teaches “hate” – that Toevah is a Sin.2cents: You fail to acknowledge:
A. No pediatric vaccines contain mercury
B. Most flu vaccines do not contain mercury.1. Pediatric vaccines labeled “thimerosal free” can contain up to 1,000 PPB of Mercury.
2. There is No law that prohibits doctors from giving pregnant women and babies flu vaccines containing
25 mcg thimerosal = 50,000 ppb mercury.
3. The CDC keeps increasing the number of vaccines – which increases the amount of aluminum, toxins and the “trace amounts” of mercury, everything adds up.This constant increase in vaccines is why autism rate keeps going up.
And the Vaccine Industry has 300 Vaccines waiting to be forced onto everyone.When will you say enough is enough, 2cents?
when HALF of all boys are Autistic?
It’s already 1:37 boys autistic in USA. 1:22 boys in NJ!Meno: I haven’t had a flu shot in years. Does that mean I don’t trust the CDC?
Yes. If you don’t get the Flu Shot, you obviously think you know better then the CDC who strongly
urges everyone to get Flu Vaccine.Soon, you won’t have a choice and All Adults will be FORCED to get yearly Flu Vaccine – and be at
the mercy of the government who can inject you with anything they want.Syag: dooms – I sure hope you are not thinking that a child in a vegetative state is autistic.
Yes, I am sure that is a big comfort for the parents. So what if vaccines caused two of your children to
regress into a vegetative state. At least they’re not Autistic!How Stupid!
Dooms-KUP -“Not every child who is vaccinated gets autism.”
Health: So what is the solution? The insane solution by the Anti-vaxxers is that no one should be Vaxxed!
All Anti-Vaxxers want is the Right to Decide whether or not they or there children should be Vaccinated.
There are Risks/Benefits to both vaccinating and not vaccinating.
But government should not be allowed to Forcibly inject you or your children with Risky Vaccines.
And all Vaccines/Medications have Risk – that is why it is IMMORAL to Force – and violates informed consent!There is no reason to ban healthy unvaxxed children from Yeshiva/BY when vaccinated are 97% protected.
Recently vaxxed children can spread disease.
The 3% on whom vaccines did not work can spread disease.
The adults whose vaccines wore off can spread disease –
so why bar ONLY healthy unvaxxed children? It is Purely Coercion and no other reason.Public schools MUST allow unvaxxed children to attend.
Do you see all those public school children dropping dead from measles?
I don’t either because they Do Not Exist!If Public Schools by Law must allow unvaxxed children – and Zero Children Die from measles per year –
there is NO reason for Yeshivas to ban unvaxxed children!Same goes for Forcing Vaccines on Adults – health care workers. It is purely for Coercion! T
The Law allows Visitors to enter hospitals without being vaccinated so it is Not about safety but Coercion!And Think for a minute about the fact that Most doctors and nurses will NOT Voluntarily take the
Flu Vaccine. I guess those doctors and nurses don’t trust CDC either! THINK!Syag: t has become very obvious that you do not understand autism if you think it is related to brain swelling or brain damage.
Many children who had encephalopathy are diagnosed with autism. Nearly all children who won Vaccine Injury awards in Vaccine Court for “encephalopathy” are autistic. Lawyers tell parents : Don’t claim “autism” or you will lose as Vaccine Court denies vaccines cause autism based on the fraudulent
Danish-Thimerosal Study 2003. (I showed how that Fraud was committed – look it up).But Vaccine Court pays for “encephalopathy” so that is the diagnosis the Parents of Autistic Children use.
There is No physical marker for Autism – it is diagnosed based on a set of behaviors.So you don’t know what you’re talking about.
There is no physical marker like a blood test to diagnose “autism”. It is diagnosed by a set of behaviors.
Many Children with encephalopathy have been diagnosed with autism.2scents: Since no children vaccines contain mercury, Im sure that autism has dropped significantly since your claiming that these toxins are to blame for the increase in ASD.
You’re Lying because I already told you there still is mercury in children’s vaccine and other reason’s for
continued rise in autism!Why Autism Rate increased since “no children’s vaccine contain mercury”
It is a LIE that no children’s vaccine contain mercury!
1. Vaccines that are Fraudulently labeled “Thimerosal Free” contain so called “trace amounts” up to 1 mcg.
1 mcg Thimerosal = 1,000 PPB of Mercury (parts per billion)0.5 PPB Mercury kills human Brain Cells (Study: Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005)
2 PPB is EPA safety limit for drinking water
200 PPB level in liquid is classified by EPA as Hazardous Waste!
1,000 PPB amount of mercury in a “thimerosal free” vaccineSo “thimerosal-free” vaccines is Repeatedly injecting Hazardous Waste into Newborn Babies (5 times the level of Hazardous Waste!).
There is no law preventing doctors from injecting pregnant women and babies/children with Thimerosal
containing Flu Vaccine which is cheaper then the “trace amount” Thimerosal Vaccine.A Flu Vaccine with Thimerosal contains 50,000 PPB of Mercury – and it is 100% Legal to inject 50,000 PPB of
mercury into pregnant women (unborn babies) and babies and little children!2. At the Same Time as Thimerosal was Reduced (not removed) from vaccines, the CDC increased the number of vaccines and introduced new vaccines including the flu vaccine.
So the “trace amounts” 1,000 ppb of Mercury vaccines were multiplied3. The increase of Vaccines means increase of Aluminum – which is a known Neurotoxin – causes brain damage. And Aluminum and Mercury TOGETHER are more toxic and either toxin alone.
4. Starting 2006, the CDC began urging pregnant women get Flu Shots.
Starting 2011, the CDC began urging pregnant women get TDaP ShotsVaccine Inserts warn that Vaccines have NOT been safety tested for Pregnant women and should only be
used if seriously needed. So the CDC VIOLATES the Warning from Vaccine Inserts when it urges ALL women
to get these Vaccines!So after CDC Lies that “mercury has been removed”, mercury is still present. The number of vaccines containing aluminum, live viruses, mercury is greatly increased. For First Time in Human History, Pregnant Women are getting Vaccinated – even though the Vaccine Inserts say No Safety Testing for Pregnant Women and Warns Vaccines should Not be given to Pregnant Women unless “seriously warranted”.
And That is why Autism Rate keeps going up. It is because the CDC is constantly Increasing the number of vaccines and Started vaccinating pregnant women!
And there are another 300 Vaccines that are developed and will be FORCED on everyone by Government.
Maybe when Half the Boys are Autistic, People will wake up!
Or maybe all Adults will be Brain-Dead by then because Vaccines are starting to be Forced on Adults, too.This is another Holocaust, and just like the first Holocaust, people do not believe that a “civilized, scientific”
government would commit atrocities! In the first Holocaust, people called those who warned that the
Nazis were committing mass murder on all Jews, including women and children: “crazy” “fear mongers”
History repeats itself!2cents, why are you repeating the Lie that aluminum in food is the same as aluminum Inected into
newborn babies? I debunked that Lie on 12/23 – see below:2Cents: The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams,
There is a Huge difference between ingested (eaten) aluminum and Injected aluminum!
Per the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) states that only 0.1-0.4% of aluminum Ingested is actually absorbed. So from 7 mg in breastmilk x .4% = .028 mgConvert this to Mcg to see the BIG Difference:
Breast Milk = 28 mcg (absorbed)
Vaccines = 4,400 mcg (100% absorbed – injected -goes straight to bloodstream)The theory that genetics is responsible for Autism is another cover up that vaccines are the main cause
of autism. That’s what the Tobacco Industry claimed – it’s not smoking that causes cancer, it’s “genetics”.Obviously, it’s both. Not every person who smoke gets cancer.
Not every child who is vaccinated gets autism.But if the person with a genetic predisposition for cancer does not smoke, he will avoid cancer.
And if a person with a genetic predisposition for autism doesn’t get vaccinated, he will avoid autism.That is why parents of an autistic child usually will not vaccinate the younger children.
And those younger children are 100% normal if they are completely unvaccinated.A poster to this thread related of a person she knew personally who had a child who was vaccinated and
lapsed into a vegetative state. The next two siblings were 100% unvaccinated and 100% normal.
Then a doctor convinced the mother to vaccinate her fourth child. And the fourth child lapsed into
a vegetative state!So yes, genetics plays a role. But vaccines also play a role, just like smoking plays a role with lung cancer!
Yserbiius, I told you I read your links. How many times do I have to tell you that!
And you still keep demanding I read your links when I tell you again and again, I read them!Your links prove that there are research studies linking vaccines to autism.
Your links claim to debunk some of those studies. I am not impressed.
Of course, scientists who are being paid by CDC and Vaccine Industry are going to attack any study that shows a link between vaccines and autism.That’s exactly what the tobacco Industry did – hire scientists to attack any study that suggested a link
between smoking and cancer. Nothing new here.I have also posted evidence that the studies showing that vaccines don’t cause autism are
fraudulent, and neither you or any of your fellow provaxxers were able to refute that fraud!Edited. Please, no more CAPS except where grammatically appropriate.
“The question now is whether autism is a kind of brain damage. And the answer is yes, it is brain damage. Autism is a form of a developmental disorder.” JustScience.In
Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What’s in a Name? by Sharyl Atkinson
” Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically. .. more than 2,100 families have received compensation for vaccine injuries…And more than half of those awards are for
brain injuries.”All vaccine inserts list ENCEPHALOPATHY (brain swelling) as an adverse event. Children with Encephalopathy are often diagnosed with Autism.
2cents: The biggest factor at this point, is genetics.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for autism to go from 1:3,333 (1970 – today’s expanded definition of autism) to 1:50 with
GENETICS! That is ANTI-SCIENCE!There are numerous studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism. Vaccines contain known
Neurotoxins like Aluminum and Mercury. Others have live viruses like Measles which can cause brain inflamation (encephalopathy). The EPIDEMIC of Autism (and ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Seizures, Allergies, Asthma, Diabetes and Cancer) started after 1990 when CDC TRIPLED THE VACCINE SCHEDULE!2cents, there are many studies – an ebook came out with 1200 studies – that the toxins in vaccines cause autism.
It doesn’t have to be large amounts – when toxins are INJECTED they are much more harmful then toxins that are ingested and are mostly NOT absorbed because of our natural defenses against ingested toxins.
Also toxins given to Pre-Born Babies and New Born Babies are more likely to cause brain damage then the
same vaccines given to older children or adults.It is IMPOSSIBLE that genetics alone is the cause of Autism because you can’t go from
1:3,333 cases of autism to 1:50 in 40 years because of genetics.It HAS to be something in environment and the CDC TRIPLING the Vaccine Schedule in 1990 was the Start of the Autism Epidemic – and an epidemic of many other chronic illnesses that never before effected children in such huge numbers like ADHD, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma, epilepsy, diabetes and cancer.
Also there WAS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed study that showed that Unvaccinated Children had waaaaaaaaay
lower rates of autism, adhd, allergies, asthma. SO IT IS THE VACCINES!Health, I have said repeatedly, that Vaccines contain Aluminum which is a known Neurotoxin (brain damaging). So stop LYING that I never mentioned Aluminum as a cause of Autism. I said it many times!
There is not ONE cause of Autism. There are many ingredients in Vaccines which can cause brain damage such as Aluminum, Mercury and Live Viruses. Plus there are other toxins in vaccines as well.
Every individual has a unique Genes and is effected differently by exposure to these toxins.
Some individuals might be sensitive to one toxin and resistant to another.
It could be the COMBINATION that effects others.The AGE that these Vaccines are given is a also big factor – vaccines are given to UNBORN when pregnant mothers are vaccinated – even though the vaccine inserts state that vaccines were NOT tested on pregnant subjects! Vaccines are given within hours of BIRTH and at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months – w hen a babies brain is MOST VULNERABLE to damage!
2cents quoting study: “The key findings are that the seven‐year cumulative incidence of ASD rose progressively from 47.6 per 10,000 for children born in 1988 to 117.2 for those born in 1996
Your study did not reveal the autism rate BEFORE MMR was introduced in 1988 which was published as
25:10,000. So even according to your study, the ASD rate INCREASED after MMR was introduced in 1988!2Cents quoting study:, that no decline in ASD incidence occurred in the five‐year period from 1988 to 1992 during which MMR vaccine usage fell from 69.8% to zero population coverage.
Other researchers found that ASD declined dramatically when usage of MMR declined.
“But then, MMR coverage began to decline dramatically, as concerns over the mumps viral component grew. ASD incidence likewise declined during this period, to 55.8 for children born in 1991 – representing a drop of 35%.”2cents: quoting study: If the vaccine had been responsible for a rise in the incidence of ASD, there ought to have been a fall in incidence following withdrawal of the MMR vaccine, but this did not occur.”
But other researchers pointed out that your study OMITS that when MMR vaccine was withdrawn it was
REPLACED with THREE SEPARATE VACCINES (measles, mumps, rubella). And the Three Separate Vaccines were the likely cause for the RISE in ASD after people had stopped using MMR.So once again, 2Cents, your study is FRAUDULENT!
2Cents: ooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none
No! The credibility of CDC Vaccine Safety Studies is little to none!
I have shown you how EVERY Study you cited to Prove that Vaccines does NOT cause Autism
is FRAUDULENT.Neither You nor your Fellow ProVaxxers are able to REFUTE any of the EVIDENCE of FRAUD I show.
So it is the ProVaxxer Studies that have Little to No Credibility!
Syog: Every time you call autism ‘brain damage’, I wish I knew where you lived so I could slap you.
Are you saying you don’t consider Autism to be a Disability?
2cents: Dooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none, so the FACTS that you write about (in CAPS) are not really facts, the arguments are just a bunch of nonsense, the statistics are made up and correlations are not able to be verified.
No, you are LYING again. Let me see you refute any of the FACTS and DATA that DEBUNKED the study
you cited! Once again, you ProVaxxers are just dismissing any FACTS and DATA and just attacking
the SOURCE of the Facts and Data!Folks, you notice how ProVaxxers always attack the PERSON or WEBSITE that supplies the FACTS and DATA that exposes FRAUDULENT Studies – instead of responding to the Facts and Data cited?
Because they cannot REFUTE the EXPOSED FRAUD, they attack the messenger instead!More Proof that ProVaxxers Lie: Here is Daas Yochid:
1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.
“because of its observational design, this study is subject to several biases, including the inability to link specific patients to vaccination records, the population estimation method of measuring ethylmercury exposure, and the inability to assess vaccination avoidance. Additionally, numerous other studies by these authors—in which they claim an association between thimerosal and autism—have been rejected on the basis of flawed study designs.”
Debunked. You liar. (The rest as well)
My response:
1. This was a CDC STUDY that showed that Vaccines Cause Autism! CDC HID THIS STUDY!
When this CDC Study was revealed, CDC hired Scientists to DEBUNK Their Own Study – because CDC
did not like the Results – it Proved Vaccines Cause Autism!2. Daas Yochid is accusing CDC of designing Flawed Studies
3. Daas Yochid calls me a Liar – then goes on to LIE that ALL the 157 Studies have been Debunked!
So who is the Liar – Doomsday or Daas Yochid? Answer: Daas Yochid, a ProVaxxer!
Health: Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:”
WOW! A ProVax Website found ONE 100% Unvaxxed Child with Autism!
There are MILLIONS of Vaccinated Children with Autism but ProVax Website can ONLY FIND ONE UNVAXXED
Child with Autism!
Hey, ProVaxxers – that actually Proves that Vaccines cause Autism and NOT Vaccinating PREVENTS Autism!2 Cents: You should have credited your responses to the website age of autism…yet data and facts are not your thing, for that you rely on radical anti-medicine websites such as age of autism
I didn’t credit age of autism because Lying ProVaxxers, instead of responding to the FACTS and DATA that
are listed in the “Debunking”, attack the authors or website as “Anti-Vaccine” or “Anti-Medicine”.
The “debunking” listed FACTS and DATA (which you LIE it doesn’t) so why don’t you respond to THAT
instead of attacking the messengers as you ProVaxxers constantly do?
The authors who DEBUNKED the study you cited are REAL PhD Scientists using REAL FACTS AND DATA!2Cents: Instead of just dumping their blogs on this website, you should write your own responses, otherwise, you are just duplicating their blogs into the coffee room.
I did both. I wrote some of their response in my own words.
By the way, You ProVaxxers do plenty of copy and pasting from ProVax websites –
so why is it OK for you and not for me?Health: Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism.
Another Lie! I have repeatedly said that Aluminum in Vaccines is a Neurotoxin!
Maybe you don’t know what “Neurotoxin” means? It means Aluminum causes BRAIN DAMAGE!
And that is what Autism is – Brain Damage!And your fellow ProVaxxers said you should stop the name-calling (Dooms-Kup)
because you are damaging the credibility of ProVaxxers and making them look bad!2Cents:: You do realize that most of your points are merely observations that have little to do with the conclusion of the study and do not debunk the study?
More Lies! My Points totally DEBUNK the Study.
The “Proof” that MMR does not cause Autism was that After MMR was discontinued, Autism Rate went UP!
But the reason Autism Rate went up was that MMR was replaced by THREE SEPARATE VACCINES for
Measles, Mumps and Rubella!
So the only thing the study proves is that BOTH MMR and Separate Vaccines of Measles, Mumps, Rubella
cause Autism!
When people STOPPED giving MMR and didn’t give SEPARATE Vaccines of Measles, Mumps and Rubella –
the Autism Rate went DOWN – DRAMATICALLY!
So the Study totally shows a correlation between MMR and Autism!Who is Lying? Doomsday or ProVaxxers?
Folks, first the ProVaxxers Lied that there are NO studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – except for Wakefield. (They can’t lie about Wakefield’s study because everyone heard of it).
I proved that ProVaxxers LIED with a google search including a site that listed:
“157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism”Then the ProVaxxers lied that the studies listed have nothing to do with vaccines or autism.
So I listed the first 10 studies IN ORDER without any Cherry Picking. Ubiquiton reviewed the studies and said
they are NOT about Vaccines and Autism. Yserbisu Also LIED that the studies are NOT about Vaccines and Autism! So I will Prove AGAIN that ProVaxxers are LYING:Here are the FIRST 10 Studies listed on the site: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism:
1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life. This is a CDC STUDY (!) that shows that Thimerosal Vaccines given to newborns INCREASES RATE OF AUTISM! Ubiquiton says this study was never published. Correct – because CDC tried to HIDE THIS STUDY because it shows Vaccines cause Autism!!!
2. Pilot comparative study on health of VACCINATED and unvaccinated 6-12 year old US children
This was a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study showing that UnVaxxed Children have MUCH LOWER RATE OF AUTISM, ADHD, learning disabilities, allergies and asthma. The Author said there should be a LARGER
Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. Ubiquiton says this statement means the study was not valid. Wrong! The study has validity but a LARGER Study would have GREATER Validity!
Ubiquiton, WHY Does CDC refuse to do a LARGE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study when there IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows a Link between Vaccines and Autism???
NO PROVAXXER CAN ANSWER this question!3. Hepatitus B VACCINATION of Male Neonates and AUTISM Diagnosis.
Ubiquiton LIED that this was NOT a published study – it was! And it shows a link between
HepB Vaccine and Autism. Baby boys who got HepB as newborns were THREE TIMES more likely to be
diagnosed with Autism as baby boys who did NOT get HepB Vaccine!4. Associations of prenatal and early childhood MERCURY exposure with AUTISTIC Behaviors at 5 years .
A Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!5. The Association between MERCURY Exposure and AUTISM spectrum disorders.
. Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!6. The putative role of environmental MERCURY in the pathogenesis and pathophysiology of AUTISM.
Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!7. .Blood MERCURY, arsenic, cadmium and lead in children with AUTISM spectrum disorder.
Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!8. Protective role of alpha-lipoic acid in IMPAIRMENTS in social and stereotypical behaviors induced by early
post-natal administration of THIMEROSAL in male rats.
Study showed Thimerosal caused Autism in Rats. Ubiquiton says a study on Rats is Invalid even though Pharmaceutical Companies ALWAYS test medications on Animals, especially Rats. Is Ubiquiton claiming that all the Medicine Safety Studies done by Pharmaceutical Companies using Rats are INVALID???9. Gender selective toxicity of THIMEROSAL
Ubiquiton said this was a MICE Study. WRONG! It was a study showing Vaccines cause diagnosis
of “Emotional Disturbance” in Boys. This was the only study not directly related to Autism but it does show
that VACCINES Cause Harm (Emotional Disturbance). And the fact that BOYS are more harmed by vaccines is INDIRECT evidence of vaccine-autism link, as Autism if four times more common in BOYS!10. MERCURY toxicokinetics – – dependency on strain and gender.
A study showing that SOME Rats have trouble excreting Mercury which causes damage to those rats.
This DOES relate to evidence that some children have trouble Excreting Mercury and other toxins which cause them to Develop Autism and other disorders.So who is lying? I showed you that 9 out of 10 of the first 10 studies from site “157 Studies showing Link between Vaccines and Autism” are showing that Vaccines or Mercury are associated with Autism.
1 Study shows that Vaccines cause diagnosis of “Emotionally Disturbed”.
So ProVaxxers are once again proven to be Liars!2Cemts, the study you cite claiming to prove No MMR-Autism Connection was DEBUNKED: see below:
“No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”[17]
Authors: Hideo Honda, Yasuo Shimizu, and Michael Rutter,
Publication & Date: Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry. June, 2005.
Details: The authors studied cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven for children born from 1988 to 1996 in Kohoku Ward, Yokohama, Japan. Japan is unique, because MMR was introduced in 1989 and discontinued in April 1993. ASD cases included all cases of pervasive developmental disorders according to ICD-10 guidelines.
Results: MMR coverage dropped considerably in Yokohama in the birth cohorts of 1988 through 1992, (because of safety concerns over the strain of live mumps virus being used), and not a single MMR vaccine was administered in 1993 or thereafter. “In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”
Authors’ Conclusions: “The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.”
CRITIQUES OF THE STUDY[18]
■ The study tells us little about ASD incidence of ASD prior to 1988, when MMR was introduced. But we do know that the published prevalence of ASD did not exceed 25-per-10,000 at any time in Japan prior to 1988.
■ Annual incidence of ASDs for children born in 1987 was 20-per-10,000, but after MMR was introduced, in 1988, annual incidence more than quadrupled, to 85.9-per-10,000 for children born in 1990.
■ But then, MMR coverage began to decline dramatically, as concerns over the mumps viral component grew. ASD incidence likewise declined during this period, to 55.8 for children born in 1991 – representing a drop of 35%.
■ Following complete discontinuation of MMR in 1993, ASD incidence rose again, this time quite dramatically, to 161-per-10,000 for children born in 1994. However, during this time the recommended schedule was changed to include three single vaccines (M-M-R, given four weeks apart), which gained widespread acceptance, causing coverage to increase significantly.
■ For all practical purposes, children vaccinated according to the new schedule were still receiving ‘M-M-R’ at around age one. Giving the three separate vaccines in such close proximity amounts to overlapping exposure, in biological terms.
■ Early MMR trials showed clear evidence of ‘interference’ between the viruses in the combined vaccine, mediated through an altered immune response. The safety consequences of this ‘interference’ are completely unknown.
■ Children who have natural measles (or single measles vaccine) and natural mumps infections within the same year are at significantly greater risk of later inflammatory bowel disease,[19] which is consistent with an ‘interference’ phenomenon that could increase the risk of long-term measles virus infection and delayed disease.
■ The authors are wrong to examine MMR as the single exposure of interest, when in biological terms, exposure to M-M-R through three consecutive monovalent vaccines actually increased after 1993 when MMR was discontinued.
■ The data, therefore, could be interpreted as indicating a major influence of the pattern of exposure to these vaccine viruses on ASD incidence in this Japanese population.
■ More importantly, the data suggest a possible re-challenge effect of close temporal exposure to these three vaccine viruses on ASD incidence at the population level, whereby the exposure (MMR) has been introduced, removed (voluntarily through lack of public confidence), and then re-introduced (as M, M, and R close together).
■ ASD numbers increased and decreased in direct proportion to the total number of children vaccinated with the three live viruses. There is evidence of an effect not only from de-challenges and re-challenges, but there is also a “dose-response” relationship on a population level.
■ Such a dose-response relationship on a population level is rare; and is evidence of a possible causal association.
■ The interpretation by Public Health officials that this is the “last word on the subject” and that these data prove that MMR is safe is misleading and suggests a very limited perspective of the issues and a misunderstanding of published concerns on viral interference in a trivalent live-virus vaccine.
Undisclosed Conflict of Interest: Co-author Michael Rutter has close associations with the drug industry, including GlaxoSmithKline. He was a paid expert witness on their behalf in the UK MMR vaccine damage litigation. That was not declared in the Honda/Rutter paper.
SUMMARY:
Despite the methodological problems in Honda et al., and quite apart from the fact that an ecological study of this kind cannot be used to make attributions about causality, the unrecognized challenge-rechallenge effect of vaccination on autism rates in Japan provide yet another piece of support for the MMR-autism link. Because this study failed to clearly interpret the true population risk in the exposure of interest–assuming the removal of an exposure that in reality had remained– the conclusions drawn by the authors are based on erroneous reasoning. Although drawing overly strong conclusions about an association between MMR-type exposures and autism would be premature in light of the study’s ecological design constraints, the data clearly indicate that further scrutiny of the data is required
“No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study” Yokohomo Japan Study.
I will explain in SIMPLE ENGLISH, some of the reasons this study was invalid: (there are MORE reasons)
1. MMR was introduced in Japan in 1988. The flawed study did NOT say what was the Autism (ASD) rate BEFORE the MMR was introduced. The answer: 25:10,000
2. AFTER MMR was introduced the Autism Rate QUADRUPLED to 86:10,000!
This IS evidence of MMR-Autism Link!3. The MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because it correlated to INCREASE in Autism. However, even before MMR was banned, the number of children getting MMR dropped dramatically. And the number Autism Rate dropped dramatically as well. So Less MMR = Less Autism. Again, Autism Rate Correlates with MMR Rate.
4. AFTER MMR was withdrawn, the Autism Rate went UP. The Fake Study used this to Proclaim:
“Proof that MMR does not cause Autism”.
But MMR was REPLACED with 3 Separate Vaccines for Measles, Mumps and Rubella! Given CLOSE TOGETHER (4 weeks apart) and at Age ONE (very vulnerable to toxins).Summary: When MMR was introduced, Autism Rate Quadrupled. When people stopped giving MMR,
Autism Rate fell dramatically. When people starting giving Measles, Mumps and Rubella as Separate Vaccines the Autism Rate at age one, the Autism Rate Shot Up again:Conclusion: BOTH MMR and giving Measles, Mumps and Rubella as Three Separate Vaccines
Correlates to an EXTREME INCREASE in Autism Rates!Other Fraud: Authors of the study did not reveal Conflict of Interest – Michael Rutner (co-author) has close associations with Vaccine Industry and was hired by Vaccine Industry as an “Expert Witness” in
MMR Vaccine Lawsuits. This association was NOT revealed in the paper which = FRAUD!Relax, Meno.
Just keep repeating the Lie:
There are NO studies showing Vaccines are harmful.
If you repeat enough times, it magically becomes TRUE!
NY State Senator Dies of Sepsis 11/28/18 – 47 year old State Senator Jose Peralta died of “sepsis” after getting
flu vaccine. Senator Peralta was a strong advocate of flu vaccines and arranged for free flu vaccines for his constituents.An article in The New York Times quoted Sen. Peralta’s director of communications, Chris Sosa, as saying, “It was like pulling teeth to get him (Peralta) to talk about not feeling well. He just thought he was having symptoms related to getting the flu shot.”7
Folks, check out the Free E-Book:
1200 studies, revealing the research that the vaccine industry does not want you to know!
Don’t believe the Vaccine Industry Lies that all doctors, scientists, researchers believe vaccines are safe!
Read the 1200 studies for yourself and decide!Folks, Yserbius LIES that the studies listed on websites mentioned have NOTHING to do with Autism or Vaccines.
Here are the FIRST 10 Studies from the website: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism. I did not pick them
out – they are the First 10 Studies in ORDER: And they DO have to do with Autism and Vaccines, so once again, Yserbius is a Proven Liar:1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.
2. Pilot comparative study on health of VACCINATED and unvaccinated 6-12 year old US children
3. Hepatitus B VACCINATION of Male Neonates and AUTISM Diagnosis
4. Associations of prenatal and early childhood MERCURY exposure with AUTISTIC Behaviors at 5 years
5. The Association between MERCURY Exposure and AUTISM spectrum disorders
6. The putative role of environmental MERCURY in the pathogenesis and pathophysiology of AUTISM
7. Blood MERCURY, arsenic, cadmium and lead in children with AUTISM spectrum disorder.
8. Protective role of alpha-lipoic acid in IMPAIRMENTS in social and stereotypical behaviors induced by early
post-natal administration of THIMEROSAL in male rats.
9. Gender selective toxicity of THIMEROSAL.
10. MERCURY toxicokinetics – – dependency on strain and gender.HealthThis Gov. isn’t anti-religion, but they believe in Human Rights.
The Government IS anti-religion (especially Democrats).
Christians have been persecuted for refusing to service Homosexual Weddings.
Jewish Businesses are also in danger (caterers, photographers, bakers, florists).
The Government mandates that children be Indoctrinated in Evolution and To’eivah!Health: If the Gov. believed giving a kid a Bris was dangerous they would outlaw it.
Mayor Bloomberg already stated that Bris is dangerous.Health: The question I have is why not vaxxing a kid is Not a criminal offense?
Don’t worry, Health. Not Vaccinating WILL be OUTLAWED.
Bris Milah WILL be OUTLAWED. Torah Education WILL be OUTLAWED.You ProVaxxers should be ashamed for aiding and abetting the abolition of Parental and Religious Rights!
The truth is there is a tiny risk with a Bris (surgical procedure) and since it is “only” for
religious purposes the Government could outlaw Bris.
They could also say it is permanently mutilating a child without his consent.
It’s happened before and it WILL happen again (my prediction).
The question I have is why not vaxxing a kid is Not a criminal offense?Doomsday: “Are there research studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – aside from Wakefield?”
Ubiquiton: Asked and answered. I’ll answer again no there aren’t.
Folks, Proof that Ubiquiton and Yserbius are Liars. Google “studies linking vaccines autism” and find these sites:
157 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link scrbd
24 Published Studies linking Vaccines to Autism
130 studies linking vaccines to neurological and autoimmune issues (includes Autism)So any Provaxxer who says there are NO studies linking Vaccines to Autism – IS LYING!!!
Health: OH, HERE’S ONE – JAMA 2275444: How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!?”
Health: YES it did [include 100% Unvaxxed}! Here is the quote from that study:
“Maternal and paternal educational level, household income, and race/ethnicity were also included as fixed covariates. These sociodemographic factors have been associated with both ASD status23 and vaccine receipt.24”When a person has NO EDUCATION – they can’t begin to understand the article!
Health, Please, you’re embarrassing yourself!
“covariates” are characteristics (excluding the actual treatment) of the participants in an experiment.”
The Covariates of this experiment are: Maternal and paternal educational level, household income, and race/ethnicity.
Where does it say that Covariates included 100% Unvaccinated??? NOWHERE!Health, get an Education, learn to read a study and stop making a FOOL of yourself!
This study was comparing Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed NO MMR.
It was NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study!Health: It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”
2Cents named two studies that she claimed were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. And you Health ALSO said the studies
were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. But you were both PROVEN WRONG. Here are the 2 studies:JAMA 2275444 – tested Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed without MMR. That is NOT vaxxed vs unvaxxed
PubMed 12523209 – also a Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed without MMR. That is NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means 100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% NOT Vaccinated.
Show me one study like that.Health: It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”
Please name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.
Health: They should arrest all Anti-vaxxers, for child abuse, just like they did to LEV TAHOR.
And when the Government arrests Parents for giving their Children a Bris or a Torah Education,
Know that You and other Frum ProVaxxers are ALSO Responsible for supporting
abolishing Parental Rights (to make medical decisions for their children) and Religious Rights!Doomsday: NO! I do NOT believe every study published by Real Scientists and Medical Doctors. I have posted the
FRAUD committed by Research Studies.DaasYochid Of course not every one, only the ones you want to.
The same is true for ProVaxxers – you only believe the studies YOU want to.
You even believe the Studies that have been debunked by REAL Scientists and I have Posted HOW THE FRAUD was committed. Even though you see the Evidence of FRAUD and cannot refute it –
You STILL believe those studies – because they show what YOU PROVAXXERS want to believe!Doomsday: I have shown there are 100+ Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism –
DaasYochid Yet, you refuse to name a single one.
Because it is IRRELEVANT to the Question:
Are there Research Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism?
The answer is: YES THERE ARE! Just Google it and you will see 100+ Studies linking Vaccines to Autism!You and other Lying Provaxxers are trying to CHANGE the Question to:
Is there a Study Linking Vaccines to Autism that ProVaxxers will Accept as Valid?
The answer to that is NO! Even if there were a MILLION Studies by Real Scientists and Medical Doctors showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism, the ProVaxxers would say EVERY One of those Million Studies are NOT VALID.
So let’s see if you can HONESTLY Answer the Question I asked and NOT Try to CHANGE the Question:
Are there research studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – aside from Wakefield?
Doomsday: “even after I show you again and again and again that there are 100+ Research Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.”
Ubiquiton: Since you’ve shown so many times, would you be so kind as to showing once more . Name ONE STUDY please.
The question is: Is the CDC and News Media LYING to the PUBLIC when CDC and New Media proclaims “There are NO Studies linking Vaccines to Autism EXCEPT for Wakefields?
The question is NOT: Is there a Study linking Vaccines to Autism that ProVaxxers will accept as Valid!!!
Folks, do you NOTICE that the PROVAXXERS are trying to CHANGE THE QUESTION in order to
COVER-UP that CDC and News Media LIE TO THE PUBLIC to HIDE that there ARE Studies showing a
Link between Vaccines and Autism?!?!
I have shown there are 100+ Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism –
ant the ProVaxxers on this Thread continue to LIE: There are NO Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism –
Except Wakefield!DaasYochid: If a couple of “real PHd Research SCIENTISTS and MEDICAL DOCTORS” would say autism was created by aliens from Jupiter, and the vast majority of scientists said it wasn’t, doomsday would believe the crackpots. I think that says all you need to know about doomsday’s relationship with sensibility.
NO! I do NOT believe every study published by Real Scientists and Medical Doctors. I have posted the
FRAUD committed by Research Studies.And the fact that you LIE that I believe EVERY Research Study published by a Real Scientist says everything
you need to know about DaasYochid’s commitment to the Truth.Folks, see how ProVaxxers resort to LIES when they can’t win the Vaccine Debate?
DaasYochid: If a couple of “real PHd Research SCIENTISTS and MEDICAL DOCTORS” would say autism was created by aliens from Jupiter, and the vast majority of scientists said it wasn’t, doomsday would believe the crackpots.
NO! I would NOT believe the crackpots. But it would be a LIE to say:
“There are NO Research Studies showing that Autism was created by aliens from Jupiter!”You are trying to Justify the LIE of the CDC and repeated by Lying Provaxxers on this Thread:
“There are NO Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism”There ARE Research Studies by REAL PHd Scientists and Medical Doctors – and anyone who says
there aren’t is LYING!