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Ubiquiton:Are you reading my posts?
It seems like you arent “CDC Refuses – NO EXPLANATION!”
I must have given you 5 different explanations several dozen times
Lemayseh whats pshat with you?Are YOU, Ubiquiton, the CDC???
I said CDC does not give any explanation for refusing to Retrospective Vax vs Unvaxxed Study!
OY! Learn Reading Comprehension, Ubiquiton!Health, if you deny Healthy User Bias, why are Clinical Trials ALWAYS RANDOMIZED?
C. What would be your theory with regards to siblings of autistic children, they are unlikely to be vaccinated (the term unvaccinated is focused on the MMR, yet the same likely applies to all vaccines). This group has a higher autism rate despite having a lower vaccination rate.
The siblings of Autistic Children with Autism were PARTIALLY VACCINATED. The Parents did not give
MMR because they saw Signs of Autism in the younger children.D. The group that did not vaccinate with no siblings that had autism, had a similar rate of autism than those that did vaccinate. If your theory holds water, these children need to be autistic (as this is the factor or bias for not vaccinating), unless the bias is non existent.
The “group that did not vaccinate…” DID VACCINATE. This is why it is FRAUDULENT for these studies to
call “No MMR” Children “Unvaccinated” when they ARE Vaccinated!
Because of Healthy User Bias, Children who showed Signs of Autism at age 12-15 Months did
not get MMR.
YOUR Theory doesn’t hold water if who gets the MMR is NOT RANDOMIZED!E. You apparently wouldn’t vaccinate your children, would you also fall into the ‘user bias’ group?
My children were 100% Vaccinated before the dangers of Vaccines became more known.
One child suffers from allergies and sinus infections.2cents A. The group that received the MMR shot, if the MMR increases autism, they should have had a greater rate of autism. The fact that the ratio remains the same shows the MMR isnt a factor.
IF the MMR was RANDOMIZED, the MMR would have shown a greater rate of Autism.
ALL Children received about 3,675 mcg Aluminum & other toxins at 0-6 months + BEFORE Birth!
Due to genetics, MOST children can excrete Aluminum and other toxins, but SOME children cannot.
MMR is given at 12-15 months.
The Children who appear to be Healthy and Normal get the MMR.
The Children who are SHOWING SIGNS OF AUTISM do NOT get the MMR.
This Healthy User Bias causes MORE children to be in the No MMR / PARTIALLY Vaccinated group.
MMR causes SOME Kids who were healthy at 12-15 Months to get Autism.
But Healthy User Bias makes the AUTISM Rate to be about the SAME as the No MMR /Partial Vax Group.This is not my explanation but what REAL SCIENTISTS have said why vaxed vs vaxed studies are INVALID.
B. Are you implying that the autism group was diagnosed with autism prior to receiving the MMR vaccine?
No. Autism is usually diagnosed around age 3. But parents saw SIGNS of AUTISM earlier, so stopped
vaccinating – this is a very common scenario.Health: At the same time lets keep the definition of “healthy user bias” tucked in the back of our minds “it is a sampling bias: the kind of subjects that voluntarily enroll in a clinical trial and actually follow the experimental regimen are not representative of the general population. They can be expected, on average, to be healthier”
So far so good?
The Healthy User Bias in this study is that HEALTHY Normal kids are more likely to USE the MMR
and Autistic Kids are more likely NOT to get the MMR.Agree?
Doomsday: “There are many other diseases besides Autism caused by Vaccines: SIDS, Cancer, Diabetes, Epilepsy, Learning Disabilities, ADHD, Allergies (can be Fatal), Asthma”
Health: You have to prove your theories with Double-blind studies!
Anti-Vaxers would LOVE a double blind study.
CDC refuses – says it’s unethical.
Anti-Vaxers say – so do a RETROSPECTIVE vax vs unvaxxed Study.
CDC Refuses – NO EXPLANATION!
V’Hameivin Ya’vin!Right on, Truth!
Multiple Sclerosis is an AUTO-IMMUNE Disease, as is ALS and Parkinson’s.
All of these Auto-Immune Diseases (along with allergies and asthma – also auto-immune) are Skyrocketing!
What do Vaccines do? HYPER-STIMULATE the immune system – which could program the immune system
to attack its own tissues in some individuals.
Some studies have shown Autism to be an Auto-Immune Disease with immune system attacking brain cells!Vaccines are MORE DANGEROUS then the diseases they are supposed to prevent!
Health All kids in this study got Aluminum. So if Al caused Autism , it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more!
Now we can go back to MMR, Al doesn’t cause Autism.
So what about MMR?
Since the Vaxxed group got the MMR, the percentage of Autism would be same or more, than the partial vaxxed group or unvaxxed group!Smoking causes cancer – this does not mean ALL smokers get cancer – ONLY 5% of smokers get Lung Cancer! So there is a GENETIC Factor that makes SOME people more at risk for getting Lung Cancer but
if they DON’T SMOKE – they WONT get cancer.Vaccines cause Autism (and MANY other diseases!). “ONLY” 2% of Vaxxed kids get Autism, 1 in 50.
There is a GENETIC Factor.
But if they didn’t Vax they would not get Autism. Only 1:10,000 got Autism in 1970.
It’s a Fact that Siblings of Autistic have a greater risk of Autism.
But 100% UNVAXED Siblings of Autistic DON’T get Autism.There are many other diseases besides Autism caused by Vaccines: SIDS, Cancer, Diabetes, Epilepsy,
Learning Disabilities, ADHD, Allergies (can be Fatal), Asthma, – So the RISK is more like 1 child in 6! Yikes!Dooms -“antivaxxers care MORE about their children’s health then mindless sheep”
HealthIf they really cared about their kids, they would Vaxx. It’s one of the best preventions against infectious diseases!
Vaccines are MORE dangerous then the diseases they prevent.
Since CDC QUADRUPLED Vaccines around 1990, We have the SICKEST Children in History!
1:6 children are Learning Disabled
1:6 children are Allergic (can be Fatal!)
1:7 couples are INFERTILE (Vaccine inserts say they don’t safety test for infertility)
1:13 children have Asthma
1:15 children have ADHD
1:5 teens had episode of Mental illness
1:8 children have IBS
1:50 children have Autism (listed as Adverse Event on Vaccine Inserts)
1:100 children have Epilepsy (seizures listed as Adverse Event on Vaccine Inserts)
1:250 children have Tourettes Syndrome
1:400 children have Diabetes
1:775 babies DIE of SIDS (listed as Adverse Event on Vaccine Inserts)
1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
1:5,560 children have CANCER (Vaccine Inserts say don’t safety test for Cancer)
168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.
ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).Vaccines are MORE DANGEROUS then Measles!
Ubiquiton: 1) Healthy people are more likely to choose to be vaccinated. People with chronic diseases or health issues tend to avoid the risk of vaccination.
Doomsday: AGREEUbiquiton: 2) People that choose vaccination tend to have other “health seeking” behaviors, such as having a better diet and exercising, or getting regular screenings and medical tests.
DISAGREE with better diet/exercise but Agree with More Medical Care, following doctor’s orders.
Please continue.
Ubiquiton: A valid complaint on said stduy, would be that of course the vaccinated group is healthier (or appears as healthy) they cared more about their health thats why they vaccinated . THIS is an example of healthy user bias,
Why would you accept said study?
Because you’re wrong – antivaxxers care MORE about their children’s health then mindless sheep
who just blindly follow government orders.
Antivax Parents cared enough about their children’s health to spend many hours doing RESEARCH!
Antivax Parents are much more feed their children only Organic, healthy diet.So I WOULD accept a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study but Unvaxxed MUST mean 100% Unvaxxed!
Ubiquiton: If we were to look at vaccinated vs unvaccinated people, then obviously the unvaccinated are people who care less about their and their children’s health.
The AntiVaxxers care MORE about their children’s health then Vaxxers.
They cared enough to RESEARCH and not just follow the sheep obeying Big Government Orders!Rich, White and Refusing Vaccinations – The New York Times – a PROvax NewsPaper
Immunizations: More Education May Not Mean More Vaccination – The New York Times
Article says the LESS education (didn’t finish HS) – the More likely to follow CDC Vaccine Schedule
The AntiVaxers are more likely to be COLLEGE EDUCATED.Antivaxers are MORE likely to be “Health Nuts” and feed their children only ORGANIC and give
Vitamins.So Anti-Vaxers are MORE concerned about their children’s health then the mindless sheep!
Health: The total Vaxxed kids only 1% became Autistic, while the partial Vaxxed kids – 7% became Autistic. If Vaccines caused Autism, it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more.
If it was RANDOM who got MMR, then you would be right.
BUT – if parents see their child is AUTISTIC at 12-15 Months, they don’t give the MMR.
It’s NOT RANDOM – get it???
This causes the No MMR/PARTIALLY Vaxed kids to have a Higher Rate of Autism –
which HIDES that MMR raises the risk of Autism and INVALIDATES the Study!The HEALTHY Kids get MMR and the AUTISTIC Kids DON’T get MMR!
Which tells you NOTHING about whether or not MMR raises risk of Autism!
The CDC PURPOSELY designed a FLAWED Study to HIDE that MMR (and other vaccines) Cause Autism!If who gets the MMR Shot is NOT Randomized, the study is worthless! (on purpose!)
Wikipedia: The healthy user bias is a bias that can damage the validity of epidemiologic studies testing the efficacy of particular therapies or interventions. Specifically, it is a sampling bias: the kind of subjects that voluntarily enroll in a clinical trial and actually follow the experimental regimen are not representative of the general population. They can be expected, on average, to be healthier
Healthy User Bias FLAW does apply to the MMR-Autism Study.
Parents who VOLUNTARILY use Vaccines are MORE LIKELY to have children who are developing Normally.
Parents who have a Child who is showing SIGNS OF AUTISM are more likely NOT to give the MMR – which
is given at 12-15 months.
By 12-15 Months, the child was already INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of ALUMINUM and is showing signs of Vaccine Damage.So there may be MORE children with Autism in the PARTIALLY VAXXED who did not get MMR.
Because the giving of MMR was NOT RANDOM but HEALTHY USERS (normal children) got MMR
While those already Vaccine INJURED avoided the MMR!If there is anyone out there who don’t Worship Vaccines who understands why Healthy User Bias makes
the CDC Vaccine Safety Studies INVALID, please join in!
(The ProVaxxers understand, but won’t admit the Truth – EVER!)Folks, I am going to explain Healthy User Bias again to show how it HIDES the HARM of Vaccines!
All CDC Vaccine Safety tests are INVALID because of Healthy User Bias – the studies are NOT RANDOMIZED and they are not Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed but Vaxxed vs Vaxxed.The MMR-AUTISM Sibling Study looked at the Insurance Records of 95,000 Children and said the Autism Rate was same whether or not the children got MMR rate. The Study then FRAUDULENTLY stated this “Proves” that MMR does not cause Autism! This is why Healthy User Bias makes the Study INVALID:
1. Babies receive vaccines BEFORE they’re Born (Dtap and Flu), AT BIRTH (Hep B) and at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months. These babies have been INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of Aluminum by 6 months.
2. The MMR Vaccine is given at 12-15 Months. Parents whose children are NORMAL give the MMR shot.
Parents whose children show signs of AUTISM do NOT give the MMR shot!
This causes MORE children with Autism to be in the Non-MMR Category.
But these children likely became Autistic BECAUSE of all the previous Vaccines they had!This is how Healthy User Bias HIDES the HARM of Vaccines because it is NOT Randomized!
Health: If you would have looked at the research you’ll see that Vaxxed has less Autism than Partially Vaxxed or Unvaxxed.
Show me the study that compared Autism Rate between Vaxxed and 100% Unvaxxed.
All the ProVax Studies have been between Vaxxed and Partially Vaxxed!
Folks, the Pro Vaxxers are LYING again. I understand what Healthy User Bias is and there are many papers that
say the Vaccine Safety Tests are INVALID because of Healthy User Bias which HIDES the Harm of Vaccines.
Here are excerpts from a few Studies that discuss how Healthy User Bias INVALIDATES Non-Randomized studies:Confounding in Studies of Adverse Reactions to Vaccines (American Journal of Epidemiology)
Studies that fail to control adequately for such confounding factors are likely to underestimate the risks of adverse events attributable to vaccination… Confounding of this sort is a general problem for studies of adverse reactions to prophylactic interventions, as they may be withheld from some individuals precisely because they are already at high risk of the adverse event.Review of the literature on SIDS, encephalopathies, and DPT suggests that a large number of factors are associated with both a tendency to avoid or delay vaccination and an increased risk of SIDS and other serious neurologic events. That failure to control for such factors may lead to spurious negative associations between vaccination and adverse events is evident in several published investigations. Examination of the logic underlying this relation reveals that failure to control for such factors in analyses may mask true associations between vaccinations and certain adverse outcomes under certain conditions
The Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Oral Polio Vaccine Among Young Infants in an Urban African Community: A Natural Experiment (Morgensen)
The Mogensen et al. study was specifically designed to avoid HUB (Healthy User Bias). It says the following about healthy user bias in prior studies of DTP and mortality:
“…the “unvaccinated” children in these studies have usually been frail children too sick or malnourished to get vaccinated, and the studies may therefore have underestimated the negative effect of DTP.”
NOTE: “these studies” = prior studies of DTP and mortality (or SIDS)
DTP Vaccine Increases Mortality 5-Fold, In Study Without Healthy User BiasThe Healthy User Effect: Ubiquitous and Uncontrollable
S. R. Majumdar, MD MPH FRCPC FACP
Professor of Medicine, Endowed Chair in Patient Health Management,
The healthy user effect probably cannot be controlled without RANDOMIZED trials
1. Flu vaccine has small to absent clinical benefit in randomized trials
2. Stable or increasing pneumonia and death rates in the elderly in the face of
400% increases in vaccine coverage
3. But flu vaccine has a huge benefit in every cohort ever studied and publishedTranslation: In studies, Flu Vaccine showed a “HUGE Benefit” but in RANDOMIZED Studies, the benefit was ZERO.
Even though Flu Vaccines has increased 400% – the Rate of Death and Pneumonia has been stable or INCREASED!
NO Benefit from Flu Vaccine (Except to Vaccine Industry) and maybe causes INCREASE in Pneumonia and Death!Health “In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Bryan King, director of the Seattle Children’s Autism Center, writes: “Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”
Health, Dr. Bryan King is LYING. Name me a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study? Based on what studies is Dr. King making that claim? Or is he LYING and calling Partially Vaxxed “UNVAXXED”???
Health: “Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”
Unvaccinated does NOT mean Unvaccinated! ProVax Officials LIE and label anyone who is
partially vaccinated “UnVaccinated”.Proof: There has NEVER been a ProVax Study that is Vaxxed vs 100% Unvaxxed! NEVER! NEVER!
So Health, that statement is a LIE!
Because of HEALTHY USER BIAS – children who are PARTIALLY vaccinated have a higher rate of Autism because Parents STOP vaccinated when children develop Signs of Autism.
But Partially Vaccinated is NOT “Unvaccinated” as all the FRAUDULENT Studies LIE!Why Won’t CDC do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study???
ProVaxxers: Because Vaccines contain different ingredients
Folks, that is RIDICULOUS!
There already was a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study that showed that UnVaxxed Kids have Waaaaaaaaaay LESS
Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies, Asthma etc!But CDC refuses to do a Larger Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study because CDC KNOWS that Vaccines cause
Autism – and many other Chronic Sicknesses!Fact: CDC OWNS VACCINE PATENTS!
Fact: CDC accepts MILLIONS $$$ in GIFTS from Vaccine Industry!
Fact: CDC is part of HHS – and HHS get SUED for Vaccine Injuries in Vaccine Court!
Fact: CDC is the WITNESS in Vaccine Court AGAINST the Vaccine Injured Children!So CDC only makes FRAUDULENT Studies showing Vaccines are Safe – and refuses to the Most SCIENTIFIC Study that would prove that Vaccines are NOT SAFE (vaxxed vs unfaxxed) because then HHS would have to pay TRILLIONS $$$ to the Millions of Vaccine Injured Children!
THAT is why CDC refuses to Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study! FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Health, you just cut and pasted from a ProVax Website.
You did not NAME a single study that proves that aluminum in vaccines are safe!
I NAMED a number of studies showing that Aluminum in Vaccines is linked to Autism and
Schizophrenia – both diseases which are sky-rocketing in young people born after 1990 when
CDC QUADRUPLED the amount of Aluminum injected into babies and young children!The amount of aluminum INJECTED in children has nearly QUADRUPLED (Four Times) around 1990.
When did Autism Epidemic begin? Early 1990s! Also rise in other chronic diseases: ADHD, allergies, asthma..
In 1980s a child would have gotten 1,250 mcg aluminum by 18 months
Today, children get 4,925 mcg aluminum by 18 months!STUDIES SHOWING ALUMINUM in VACCINES can CAUSE AUTISM:
1.Study: Aluminum in Brain Tissue and Autism (Exley) “…while the aluminium content of each of the 5 brains [of people with autism] was shockingly high it was the location of the aluminium in the brain tissue which served as the standout observation…The new evidence strongly suggests that aluminium is entering the brain in ASD [autism spectrum disorders] via pro-inflammatory cells which have become loaded up with aluminium in the blood and/or lymph, much as has been demonstrated for monocytes at injection sites for vaccines including aluminium adjuvants.”
Monocytes are a type of white blood cell. These Monocytes carry the aluminum from the injection site to the brain where they can cause Autism.
2. Study: Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are They Safe? (Current Medicinal Chemistry, 2011)
“Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences.”
translation: Aluminum is a Neurotoxin (can cause BRAIN DAMAGE). Experimental Research show Aluminum Adjuvents can cause Auto-Immunity (can cause allergies, asthma, diabetes, arthritis), long term brain inflammation – i.e. AUTISM!
3. Study: “Maternal immune activation alters fetal brain development through interleukin-6” (Journal of Neuroscience). The study showed that injecting PREGNANT mice with One dose of IL-6 (triggers an immune response) produced mice showing signs of Autism and Schizophrenia.
Pregnant Women are being INJECTED with Vaccines that TRIGGERS IMMUNE RESPONSE! And Autism and Mental Illness in little children are SKYROCKETING!
4. Article: Pregnancy, Immunity, Schizophrenia and Autism (Dr. Patterson, Engineering and Science 2006)
“As we learn more about the connections between the brain and the immune system, we find that these seemingly independent networks of cells are, in fact, continually talking to each other. As an adult, the activation of your immune system causes many striking changes in your behavior — increased sleep, loss of appetite, less social interaction — and, of course, headaches. Conversely, stress in your life (as perceived by your brain) can influence immune function — the brain regulates immune organs, such as the spleen, via the autonomic nervous system. Recent evidence shows that this brain-immune conversation actually starts during the development of the embryo, where the state of the mother’s immune system can alter the growth of cells in the fetal brain. As we shall see, such alterations can lead to an increased risk of schizophrenia or autism in the offspring.”Translation: If a mother’s immune system is Triggered during PREGNANCY, it leads to increased risk of
Schizophrenia and Autism in the Children! CDC pushes VACCINES on Pregnant Women – Triggering an IMMUNE RESPONSE during Pregnancy which can cause Schizophrenia or Autism in the Babies!Quote: “there’s an ON-GOING, PERMANENT IMMUNE-SYSTEM ACTIVATION in the BRAINS of AUTISTIC PEOPLE” – What does Aluminum do? OVER-STIMULATE the Immune System!
5. Study: Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the Brain of patients with Autism (Journal:
Annals of Neurology, 2004)The Study examined Autopsies of Brains of Autistic People who did NOT die of “infection” but of Drowning and Heart Attacks – but the Autistic Brains had BRAIN INFLAMMATION (neuroinflammation)! The Autopsies showed an AUTO-IMMUNE response where the Immune System was Attacking it’s own Brain Cells! This Auto-Immune Disease can only be found in Autopsy – it cannot be diagnosed in living Autistic People. It is evidence that there is a CHRONIC PERMANENT IMMUNE SYSTEM Activation in the Brains of Autistic Children!
What is the role of ALUMINUM in Vaccines? To HYPER-STIMULATE the Immune System. Which can cause
AUTO-IMMUNE Diseases and there is Evidence that AUTISM is an AUTO-IMMUNE DISEASE of the BRAIN!6. Microglial Activation in Young Adults With Autism Spectrum Disorder (JAMA, 2013)
Abstract: A growing body of evidence suggests that aberrant immunologic systems underlie the pathophysiologic characteristics of autism spectrum disorder (ASD).Translation: An ABNORMAL IMMUNE SYSTEM is causing Autism! And Aluminum in Vaccines is put there
to HYPER-STIMULATE (over-stimulate) the Immune System – which could cause Auto-Immune Diseases like
allergies, asthma, diabetes – and AUTISM (also found to be an Auto-Immune Disease where the Immune System attacks its own Brain Cells).Conclusion: “In conclusion, the present PET measurements revealed marked activation of microglia in multiple brain regions of young adults with ASD. The results strongly support the contention that immune abnormalities contribute to the etiology of ASD.”
Translation: PET Scans reveal that Autistic Young Adults have hyper-stimulated MICROGLIA (IMMUNE CELLS) that are causing Brain Abnormalities!
ProVaxxers, Why are newborns being vaccinated for Hepatitis B – a sexually transmitted disease?
Doomsday: Other Countries give Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay LESS Vaccines the n USA, so Less Damage!
DaasYochid:You’re contradicting yourself again. You disregarded studies which show that MMR added to other vaccines doesn’t cause autism because you didn’t consider more vaccines important. Now you’re saying they do cause more damage.Make up your mind.
Not contradicting myself. Let’s take Philippines – a child that is 100% vaccinated by age 2 got just 625 mcg of Aluminum (one dose) and much less of other toxins.
An American baby is vaccinated BEFORE birth, at birth and 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 12 months, 15 months and 18 months. By age 2 the American baby got EIGHT TIMES more aluminum the Philipine baby – 4,925 mcg aluminum.
Philippine children get less vaccines and have much lower rate of Autism. Less vaccines = Less Autism.
In USA, if a 12 month old is showing signs of Autism – after being much more vaccinated then a Philippine baby – the parent stops vaccinating. So in USA, Less Vaccines = More Autism because of Healthy User Bias.
You have to understand Science to understand what Healthy User Bias means.No, I would not get Flu Vaccine – too dangerous.
Millions paid out for Vaccine Injuries in Vaccine Court – and that is only a fraction of those injured by Flu Vaccine.
The aluminum in Flu Vaccine is probably one of the causes of Alzheimers Epidemic in the elderly.
The Flu Vaccine is not even the right one most of the time – researchers have to guess which strain of Flu
will come as the Flu mutates every year.Best way to avoid Flu is to optimize your vitamin d levels. Take a multi vitiamin and vitamin C.
Get enough sleep. wash your hands.ProVaxxers, I debunked the Phillipines Study two weeks ago. Here it is again:
Study: The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development in the Philippines
The study found that fully vaccinated children scored higher in school then unvaccinated children.Here is the FRAUD:
1. In Philippines MOST children are UNVACCINATED. That is because the Unvaccinated Children were
Poor, Malnourished, Dirty Water, No Sanitation (toilets, running water), Overcrowded, Uneducated Parents.The Vaccinated Children were richer, had better educated parents, healthy food, clean water, more breastfeeding, not overcrowded – and THAT is why the Vaccinated Children score better on tests then the UnVaccinated – not the Vaccines.
CDC deliberately made an UnVaxxed vs Vaxxed Study in a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY because the Unvaxxed kids do worse because of starvation, dirty water, uneducated parents etc. But CDC will Never, Never, Never
Never do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study in USA or any First World Country!
Children – NOT because of the Vaccines!2. US Vaccine Schedule has EIGHT TIMES more aluminum then Philippines!
Philippines 100% vaccinated get ONE dose of 625 mcg Aluminum
USA 100% Vaccinated get SEVEN DOSES totaling 4,925 mcg Aluminum (3,675 mcg Aluminum by age 6 months)
That is why Vaccinated Children in Philippines have Less Brain Damage then Vaccinated Kids in USA!FRAUD! This is another reason why CDC does vaccine studies in OTHER Countries and NOT USA.
Other Countries give Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay LESS Vaccines the n USA, so Less Damage!2cents: Mawson Study: It is not valid.
Here are some reasons why:
1. There was no randomization, people voluntarily signed up and recruited their friends
2. They did not look at medical records, they labeled people as vaccinated” or unvaccinated” based on the word of the mothers
3. This was not a real study “We did not set out to test a specific hypothesis about the association between vaccination and health” (You love making up “basic science” rules, having a hypothesis that you test is areal one that you need
4. What journal was this published in? Is it a reliable journal?
5. Who funded this study, you dont trust pharmaceutical, companies or the CDC, who funded this one?The CDC Studies you provaxxers support are also FLAWED – yet you accept them as Valid.
Like that MMR – Sibling study which was NOT RANDOMIZED, so Healthy User Bias hid the
MMR Autism Link – yet you accept that as Valid. WHY?The ProVax Studies are funded by CDC which IS the Vaccine Industry (Owns 55 Vaccine Patents)
and the Researchers have Financial Ties to Vaccine Industry that they don’t disclose – but you
don’t think that INVALIDATES the ProVax Studies! WHY?The Mawson Study stated that a Larger Study should be done – but CDC Adamantly refuses
to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. WHY?2Cents: parents are more likely to stop vaccinating their other children yet these other children not only are not better off, but they are also much more likely to develop autism than other children,
PAY ATTENTION! I said the children who are PARTIALLY vaccinated are more likely to have Autism. They are not fully vaccinated, because the parents stopped vaccinating when they saw signs of Autism. But these autistic children were vaccinated before birth, at birth, at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months!
So Vaccines are the most likely cause of the Autism of the partially vaccinated children!Daas Yochid: Do all vaccines have same ingredients? Then your analogy falls flat on its face.
If a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study shows that vaxxed children have FIVE TIMES MORE:
Autism, ADHD, Learning DIsabilities, Allergies, Asthma, etc.Then it PROVES that Vaccines are do more HARM then Good!
And that is why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study – they KNOW Vaccines are harmful.
Folks, notice how the ProVaxxers are OPPOSED to a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study?
Even though there was a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study (Mawson)that showed that Vaxxed children had:
30 Times more Allergies
5 times more Learning Disabilities
4 times more Autism
4 times more ADHD
3.7 times more neurodevelopmental disabilities
3 times more eczema
2.4 times more chronic illnesses
……Then the UnVaxxed Kids!The study needs to be much larger – but CDC refuses – despite seeing the results of the Mawson Study.
ProVax is a Religion to the ProVaxxers on this thread.Ubiquiton, partially vaccinated children have a higher autism rate then fully vaccinated and
fully unvaccinated.Why? Because of Healthy User Bias. If a child appears healthy and normal despite vaccines, he
is likely to be fully vaccinated. If a child shows SIGNS OF AUTISM or DELAYS – the parents STOP
Vaccinating. So the Partially Vaccinated Cohort has the highest autism rate – although their
Autism was probably caused by the vaccines they received when their Pregnant Mothers were
vaccinated and by their vaccinations as birth, 2 months, 4 months and 6 months.Daas Yochid Do all vaccines contain the same ingredients?
No. But all vaccines contain dangerous toxins.
Ubiquiton, so if a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study showed vaxxed kids have FIVE times the rate of
Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then vaxxed kids
it would raise some “doubt” that vaccines are safe.But the dozens of Unscientific vaxxed vs vaxxed studies would outweigh the SCIENTIFIC study?
There IS a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study. and it showed that Vaxxed kids have:
30 Times more Allergies
5 times more Learning Disabilities
4 times more Autism
4 times more ADHD
3.7 times more neurodevelopmental disabilities
3 times more eczema
2.4 times more chronic illnesses
……Then the UnVaxxed Kids!It’s not a big enough study. But it should have caused the CDC to do a bigger study.
Anyone who doesn’t admit that CDC is AFRAID to do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study is intellectually dishonest!
It is basic science that if you want to prove causality you do a comparison
like vaxxed vs unvaxxed
or smoker vs non-smoker.You don’t do 3-a-pack-smoker vs 4-a-pack smoker if you want to see if smoking causes cancer.
You do a smoker vs non-smoker – which proved that smoking GREATLY increases risk of cancer.Yet all cdc studies have been vaxxed vs vaxxed.
And CDC refuses to do the ONE study that has any scientific validity Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed.And there was a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study – and it showed that unvaxxed have Waaaaaay Less
Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma.
THAT is the REAL Reason why CDC won’t do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.partially vaccinated children belong in the partially vaccinated category.
Countries with less vaccination have less autism and other associated chronic illnesses.
US has the most Insane over-vaccination schedule – and the worst outcomes in terms of
chronic sickness in children.Doomsday: “I have NEVER defined “vaccinated” as having “at least ONE vaccine”
Ubiquiton: except when you wanted to dismiss the Philippine study which compared vaccinated to unvaccinated
Doomsday: Wrong! I dismissed the Study BECAUSE it called having ONE vaccine “vaccinated”.
A vaxxed vs unvaxxed study means vaxxed per CDC schedule vs 100% unvaccinated.
And I HAVE been consistent on that.Doomsday: “Folks, if the the Richest and Most Educated People are refusing Vaccines – Shouldn’t You???”
Ubiquiton: Hold up, so if he most educated DO vaccinate or Tell you to vaccinate you would?
No. But YOU wrote that it is the UNEDUCATED who don’t vaccinate.
Once again, you are 100% wrong.Doomsday:“Ubiquiton, WHY does the CDC refuse to do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study?”
Ubiquiton:There will always be these confounding factors
There are “confounding factors” in every study – yet the CDC does them anyway!
So if there was a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study
And vaccinated kids had FIVE TIMES the rate of autism, adhd and learning disabilities as vaxxed
it wouldn’t prove to your that vaccines raise risk of autism?Reb Yid: Why should we trust Big Pharma’s vaccine inserts?
The inserts are to protect against liability (which vaccines are exempt) and because of State Law
of Informed Consent.But all doctors commit Malpractice because they do not give the inserts to parents to read before vaccinating!
Few doctors have read the insert. They are protected from liability and just follow orders: Must Vaccinate.
If parents express concern, instead of showing the vaccine inserts (as required by LAW) doctors are instructed to give CDC paper that lies that vaccines are safe – and doesn’t mention the dangers listed on
the vaccine inserts.Doctors that vaccinate without showing inserts first are committing Malpractice (which means all of them).
Some Common Sense, Please be moichel me for saying you are ignorant of Halachah.
This is a very sensitive subject and in the heat of the moment I got carried away. Peace.Folks, Does Smoking Cause Lung Cancer? Or is it Genetics?
For over 30 years, Tobacco Industry said it was Genetics and NOT smoking that caused Lung Cancer!
Then there was a SMOKER vs NON SMOKER study that proved – Smoking Causes Cancer!
Yes, genetics is a factor. Not everyone who smokes get lung cancer.
But Smoking greatly increases the risk of cancer.Not everyone who gets vaccinated gets autism. But vaccines greatly increase your risk of autism
from 1:10,000 NON VERBAL Autism to 1:150 NON VERBAL Autism – much more dangerous then Measles.Vaccines also greatly increase your risk of ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Diabetes, Cancer, SIDS, Allergies, Asthma, Epilepsy, Infertility – again, much more dangerous then Measles!
Doomsday:“There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
The Vaccinated children had: mothers with more education,”Ubiquiton: Exactly! this too has been pointed out to you dozens of times. you claim to want a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study. by definition (almost) anyone who doesn’t vaccinate their children is either unintelligent, uneducated or just doesn’t care about their children .
Ubiquiton, Pay Attention. I said in THIRD WORLD countries, children who are vaccinated come from families that are richer, have more food, clean water and educated parents. That is why their children score better in school then the Unvaxxed – not the Vaccines. THAT is why CDC deliberately does these studies in THIRD WORLD Countries – and NOT in USA – because it Hides the damage from Vaccines!
But the OPPOSITE is true is USA. People who are anti-vaxxers are Richer and Better Educated then
People who Vax!Rich, White and Refusing Vaccinations by New York Times – a Pro Vax Major Newspaper
The people most likely to refuse to have their children vaccinated tend to be white, well-educated and affluent, researchers report.Folks, if the the Richest and Most Educated People are refusing Vaccines – Shouldn’t You???
At least Research instead of blindly obeying Corrupt Government like a bunch of Sheep!Ubiquiton: I love how you shift in your definition of “vaxxed”
first you discard a study because the unvaccinated group received SOME vaccines (although this is a definition that has zero basis in science as has been pointed out to you several times) ) thus any vaccines makes a group “vaccinated” Yo u say “Vaccinated is defined as having “at least ONE vaccine”.”My definition has been consistent.
Vaccinated = Vaccinated per CDC schedule.
Unvaccinated = 100% unvaccinated.I have NEVER defined “vaccinated” as having “at least ONE vaccine” –
that is what FRAUDULENT studies that claim to be vaxxed vs unvaxxed do.Ubiquiton, WHY does the CDC refuse to do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study?
Health: Here’s what ScienceBasedMedicine.org wrote about this study:
“Antivaccine websites have been touting two recently published studies as strong evidence that vaccinated children are less healthy than unvaccinated children. The studies are so flawed that they show nothing of the sort.Health, I already proved to you tnat “ScienceBasedMedicine” LIES! See the LIES below:
It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.Science Based Medicine links to a site that claims to have have 5 vaxxed vs unvaxxed studies –
but NONE of them are vaxxed vs unvaxxed. So Science Based Medicine is DEBUNKED – Fraudulent Site!Meno: I can explain why very simply: The only people asking for it are the anti-vaxxers like you and it wouldn’t change your opinion anyhow.
So why does the CDC do OTHER studies to “prove” vaccines doesn’t cause autism and other diseases?
(It won’t convince anti-vaxxers anyway). The CDC did around 200 Studies to “prove” vaccines are
safe and don’t cause Autism – but refuses to do the ONE STUDY that is actually SCIENTIFIC.It was a SMOKER vs NON-SMOKER Study that proved smoking causes cancer – and THAT is why
CDC and Pharmaceutical Company will never, ever, ever, ever do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study!!!Folks, how can you trust the CDC if they refuse to do the One Study that is actually Scientific?
Folks, so far ProVaxxers cannot explain why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study!
(retrospective so no ethics).Some ProVaxxers found Lying Websites called “Science Based Medicine” and “TruthScapism”
that falsely claim there ARE studies that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed – but those studies are really
vaxxed vs vaxxed!There has been One Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows Unvaxxed children have waaaaaaaaay
Less: Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then Vaxxed children!The Fact that CDC REFUSES to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study is EVIDENCE that CDC KNOWS that
vaccines cause Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Cancer, SIDS, Allergies, Asthma, Diabetes, etc.!YeshivashaHocker, are you still here?
Please check out the Free E-Book: 1200 studies revealing the research the vaccine industry does not want you to see.
ProVaxxers, More children DIE from Vaccines then DIE from Measles!
Zero deaths from Measles (In USA) per year.
168 deaths following Vaccines reported to VAERS every year.Since only 1-13% of serious adverse events are reported, it could be 1,680 – 16,800 deaths from vaccines yearly!
Health, Daas Yochid brought up the same 5 studies that LIE that they are vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. Here is why they’re NOT:
1) Germany 2011. (Schmitz et al) Full paper: Vaccination Status and Health in Children and Adolescents
NOT GOOD: Vaccinated is defined as having “at least ONE vaccine”. So this study compares Unvaxxed to children who got as little as ONE vaccine. It is not comparing 100% Unvaccinated vs Vaccinated per CDC schedule – or anything even CLOSE to the CDC schedule. Another FRAUDULENT deliberately MISLEADING study pretending to be Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed.
Also, this study only had 50 Unvaccinated children – not enough to be conclusive.2) Germany 2013 (Grabenhenrich et al) Full Paper: Early-life determinants of asthma from birth to age 20 years: A German birth cohort study
NOT GOOD: Again, Vaccinated children who did not receive 3 Vaccines (MMR, BCG or Tick TE) were FRAUDULENTLY called “UnVaccinated” Children – when they were Vaccinated!!!
Also, ONLY checked for asthma – not for neurological problems like Autism, ADHD, learning disabilities or
autoimmune diseases like diabetes or allergies.3) Philippines 2011 (Bloom et al) Full Paper: The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development in the Philippines
NOT GOOD: Vaccinated children were NOT vaccinated per CDC schedule – FAR fewer vaccines. Only received ONE DOSE of Aluminum containing Vaccine DPT. But CDC schedule FORCES 11 doses of Aluminum containing vaccines by age 6 months, and 16 doses of Aluminum containing vaccines by 2 years. Aluminum adjuvant is probably the most dangerous vaccine ingredient. CDC Schedule: 11 Doses by Six Months = 3,675 mcg Aluminum in FIRST 6 MONTHS! + 4 More doses of Aluminum before age 2 compared to ONLY ONE dose DPT (625 mcg) done in Phillipines!
There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
The Vaccinated children had:
1) had mothers with more education,
2) had higher socioeconomic status,
3) lived in larger homes,
4) had more toilet/sanitation access,
5) had fewer siblings,
6) had better-nourished mothers,
7) had more breastfeeding as infants…than the unvaccinated.
Studies 4 and 5 were NOT vaccinated vs Unvaccinated but Vaccinated + FLU vaccine vs Vaccinated w/o
FLU vaccine.So there was ONE vaxxed vs unvaxxed study that showed that Unvaccinated Children have
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Less Autism, ADHD, allergies, asthma, etc. then Vaxxed Children.
Ther are NO OTHER Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Studies – even though Fake Research keeps lying that
their studies are vaxxed vs unvaxxed when they are vaxxed vs vaxxed!Folks, how can you Trust Vaccines are Safe when I prove how the CDC and Media LIE to you all the time???
Truth: Health,
To repeat myself, autism is far from the only reason not to vaccinate.
How about SIDS and cancer, as more deadly than measles, mumps or chicken pox?Excellent Point, Truth!
What’s Worse – Vaccines or Measles?
Per CDC, in 1960s, 1:10,000 children died from Measles.
Today, in USA, ZERO children die from Measles per year.
In RARE Cases Measles can cause Encephalitis – SO CAN VACCINES – it’s listed on the Vaccine Inserts!In 1990, CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule – and we have the SICKEST GENERATION of Children in History!!!
1:6 children are Learning Disabled
1:6 children are Allergic (can be Fatal!)
1:13 children have Asthma (can be Fatal!)
1:15 children have ADHD
1:5 teens had episode of Mental illness (can be Fatal)
1:8 children have IBS
1:50 children have Autism
1:100 children have Epilepsy (seizures)
1:250 children have Tourettes Syndrome
1:400 children have Diabetes
1:775 babies DIE of SIDS (100% Fatal)
1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
1:5,560 children have CANCER (Can be Fatal)
168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.
ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).And the 168 Deaths reported can be 10 times to 100 times More – because only 1-13% of serious adverse effects are reported! Vaccines are MORE Dangerous then Measles!
Health: But the implication that no one knew that smoking was dangerous is False!
From the NIH:
“Reformers, hygienists, and public health officials argued that smoking brought about general malaise, physiological malfunction, and a decline in mental and physical efficiency. Evidence of the ill effects of smoking accumulated during the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.”I never said that No One knew smoking is dangerous. People knew there were “Anti-Smokers” who were
saying Smoking causes Cancer.
But the Vaccine Industry hired Scientists to say there is NO PROOF that Smoking causes Cancer.
When Tens of Thousands of People who Smoked got Cancer, the Tobacco Industry
hired Scientists to say “Correlation does not Prove Causation”
When Studies were made showing Smoking Causes Cancer, the Tobacco Industry hired Scientists to
“Debunk” those studies and say there were No Good.The Vaccine Industry is doing the Exact Same Thing the Tobacco Industry did – including hiring
Corrupt Science to Fool the People.
How can People be So DUMB to fall for the Same Trick TWICE?