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We are in much greater danger of being murdered by our own government – the Democrat Socialists, then in a mass shooting!

In the last 100 years, 120 MILLION people were murdered by their own government, after
the government first DISARMED the public:

Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, China, N Korea, Cambodia, Turkey…

It is madness to allow the Government to disarm the people! Learn from history!

AlwaysAskingQuestions: Paraphrasing a WSJ comment: I am a nurse for 50 years. We are all exhausted by now. Know that if you arrive here we will still take care of you, whatever your views are. But please do what you can to reduce our stress so that we can continue taking care of patients. There is also a libertarian argument – you should be free to sign a paper that you will be last in line for medical services and responsible for all medical and burial costs.
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You are brainwashed to hate the Unvaxxed by the Democratic Party.

You have never suggested that smokers should be responsible for medical costs, or
that people who drive drunk or speed and get into car accidents should be responsible for all medical costs, or that obese should be responsible for medical costs.

No, only UnVaccinated – even though the vaccine does NOT stop one from getting infected!

You should lose your medical license – you are not fit to provide care.

You are the reason people are losing all respect for the medical profession –

learn to think CRITICALLY instead of just parroting Democratic Propaganda!

The Laws of Yichud protect both women/children but also ADULTS from FALSE accusations.

No adult should work secluded with a child – put big windows on the doors of offices!

But need to do more than Yichud – women should not be alone with a girl

and Men should not be alone with a boy.

All the parenting books/classes – even the frum ones – discourage parents from being strict,
punishing disrespect – or punishing, blaming, shaming for anything!
Parents are told if they are strict their children will go OTD. But children from permissive parents
also go OTD. After all, they think Hashem does not punish, no matter what rules they break.

Not that long ago, governments confiscated guns and then slaughtered 100 million of its citizens in
soviet union, communist china, germany, turkey, cambodia, cuba, north korea, etc.
Purpose of 2nd amendment is to protect us against Tyranny.
In 1980s china brutally killed peaceful protestors in tianneman square. Looks like it might happen again
in hong kong.
That’s what happens when you let government confiscate guns.

2cents: “Once we are using the argument of authority, then open your eyes to the fact that almost every single authority is in support of vaccines. ”

Because authorities who speak out are persecuted. Nothing new, this has been going on for thousands of years. Ever hear of Galileo? A Scientist who was threatened with Burned Alive if he didn’t “recant” that the earth revolves around the sun (it does). Galileo refused and was imprisoned for life. All the other scientists knew that Galileo was Right but were SILENT. So much for “majority authorities”.

Honest Opinion – the Vax vs UnVax study that Ubiquitin cites is a FRAUDULENT study as PhD Scientists have pointed out: It is the Philippines Study.
1. Only 85 Vaxxed kids which is Waaaaaaaaaaaay too small to show any autism which has a rate of 2%.
2. Philippine Vax schedule is Waaaaaaaaay less then CDC schedule. Only 625 mcg of aluminum vs 4,295 mcg aluminum in CDC schedule.
3. The study did not study HEALTH outcomes – only height/weight and test scores. So study did not look if vaxxed kids had more allergies, asthma, ear infections, seizures, diabetes etc. then Unvaxxed.
4. The study was not randomized and implied that vaccines make kids smarter. The reality is that the vaxxed kids had parents with higher income, more education, better food and water – and THAT is why the vaxxed kids scored higher on tests.

I pointed this FRAUD out numerous times, but the Vaccine Injury Deniers just ignore the FACTS and keep spewing Propaganda.

Vaccines have Serious Risks. That is a Fact. Congress and SCOTUS stated that “vaccines are unavoidably unsafe”. Vaccine inserts list adverse events following vaccination including seizures, paralysis (Guillam-barre), autism, encephalitis and death. Vaccine Court has paid $4 Billion in compensation.

Therefore, the government should not FORCE risk on others for the “greater good”.

As I quoted from a Harvard Immunologist – even 100% vaccination will NOT stop Measles outbreaks – as some people are “non-responders” and vaccine immunity wears off after several years. Measles outbreaks have occurred even where there is a 99% vaccination rate. So forcing the 2% who don’t vaccinate is a Bogus issue. It is not to “protect” because even 100% vaccination won’t stop Measles outbreaks. The point of forcing the 2% unvaccinated to Vax is to COVER UP the harm that vaccines are causing as there won’t be any healthy unvaccinated to compare.

Why You Cannot Compare the Amount of Aluminum in Breastmilk to Vaccines.

Claim #1:
Aluminum in vaccines is “safe” because, in the first six months of your child’s life, they will receive 4mg of aluminum in vaccines, but 10mg of aluminum through breastmilk.

Why this claim of safety is FALSE:

Breastmilk is ingested. Anything and everything ingested is subject to the gastrointestinal tract before it is absorbed into the bloodstream and ends up in other vital organs and tissues. The GI tract is an excellent barrier (when healthy) and the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) states that only 0.1-0.4% of aluminum ingested is actually absorbed.

Therefore, up to 99.9% of aluminum is not absorbed when ingested (through breastmilk or food), and is eliminated/removed from the body before it ever reaches the bloodstream.

Some math (using 10mg aluminum in breastmilk, and 0.4% for absorption rate):

(10mg aluminum) x (0.004 absorption rate) = 0.04mg

Conversion from mg to mcg = 40mcg total absorbed aluminum.

In contrast of course, most vaccines are injected.

The contents of an injected vaccine are not subject to the gastrointestinal tract. Aluminum, along with other ingredients, are injected intramuscularly in order to intentionally bypass the natural barriers of the body (skin, mucus membranes, etc. which exist to help to prevent absorption). Blood flows to and from our muscles, so the contents of a vaccine can enter the bloodstream rapidly. Therefore, absorption of aluminum via vaccine is 100%.

Now we can make an accurate comparison between absorbed aluminum via breastmilk vs vaccines, in the first 6 months of life:

Breastmilk: 40mcg (0.04mg) | Vaccines: 4000mcg (4mg)
Vaccines have 10x more aluminum ABSORBED then Breastmilk

Claim #2:
Aluminum in vaccines is “safe” because it is quickly eliminated from the blood once injected.

Why this claim of safety is FALSE:

First, elimination from the blood does not equal elimination from the body. Depending on the individual, blood levels may drop as the aluminum becomes deposited in organs and tissues, or aluminum may get trapped at the injection site. Second, there is evidence from in vivo scientific research that once aluminum is injected via vaccine, it is not quickly eliminated from the blood. One study sought to measure the amount of aluminum eliminated from the body 28 days after injection. Urine and blood samples were taken daily. After 28 days, only 6% of the total aluminum injected had been eliminated. Blood levels demonstrated the persistence of aluminum as well.

“The blood concentration of aluminum was fairly steady from days 2 to 28 indicating a relatively constant absorption rate…”

According to what was found, up to 94% of the aluminum injected remains in the body (tissues, organs, and bloodstream), even 28 days post-vaccination. The study concluded at 28 days, so there’s no way to know how much longer it might persist in the blood, however studies have found that in rare cases, aluminum injected via vaccine can remain at the injection site for ten years.

Final claim:
Aluminum in vaccines is “safe” for healthy individuals.

Why this claim is FALSE:

NO SAFE LIMIT of injection for aluminum has ever been scientifically determined.

The claim that the amount of aluminum in vaccines is safe, based on a flawed comparison to the amount of aluminum in breastmilk, is not science. It’s a trick.

Part of this trick is allowing you to make the assumption that the amount of aluminum in breastmilk is safe and non-toxic. This is untrue. Any amount of biologically active aluminum that reaches the bloodstream can cause adverse effects. The degree and location of that effect will vary depending on the individual, however, it is known that chronic, low level exposure to aluminum accelerates brain aging and neurodegeneration.

The risk of injury from aluminum-containing vaccines is significant for adults as well as infants and children. Previously healthy adults are developing autoimmune diseases as their immune systems begin to attack the persistent aluminum which remains deposited in muscle tissue and slowly translocates to other organs and the brain. Unfortunately, it’s nearly impossible to know if you will be affected by a recent vaccination you received, as symptoms from vaccine-induced autoimmune disease may take months or years to manifest.

For more information, please listen to this presentation by aluminum toxicology expert, Dr. Exley, and watch the documentary, Injecting Aluminum.

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Sorry, thought you weren’t allowed to mention websites. It was from thinklovehealthy.com

Injecting a poison is Faaaaar more harmful then ingesting (eating) a poison. Hashem created protections against people eating poison – you vomit, get diarhea – where the body rapidly expels the poison. The body has no such protection against INJECTED poison which rapidly enters the bloodstream and can harm all the organs of the body, especially the DEVELOPING brain of babies.

Some Religious Christians don’t let their children read/watch Harry Potter because it promotes Witch-Craft which is forbidden by Christianity and L’havdil Judaism. While the main characters demonstrate virtues such as loyal friendship and there is a Struggle between “good” and “evil”, does anyone have a problem with the “good guys” being WITCHES and practicing Witch-Craft?

Letter from a PhD Immunologist on why unvaccinated pose no risk and how even 100% measles vaccination would not stop measles outbreaks due to the number of non-responders and mmr antibodies waning after several years:

An Open Letter to Legislators Currently Considering Vaccine Legislation from Tetyana Obukhanych, PhD

Dear Legislator:

My name is Tetyana Obukhanych. I hold a PhD in Immunology. I am writing this letter in the hope that it will correct several common misperceptions about vaccines in order to help you formulate a fair and balanced understanding that is supported by accepted vaccine theory and new scientific findings.

Do unvaccinated children pose a higher threat to the public than the vaccinated?

It is often stated that those who choose not to vaccinate their children for reasons of conscience endanger the rest of the public, and this is the rationale behind most of the legislation to end vaccine exemptions currently being considered by federal and state legislators country-wide.

You should be aware that the nature of protection afforded by many modern vaccines – and that includes most of the vaccines recommended by the CDC for children – is not consistent with such a statement.

I have outlined below the recommended vaccines that cannot prevent transmission of disease either because they are not designed to prevent the transmission of infection (rather, they are intended to prevent disease symptoms), or because they are for non-communicable diseases.

People who have not received the vaccines mentioned below pose no higher threat to the general public than those who have, implying that discrimination against non-immunized children in a public school setting may not be warranted.

1. IPV (inactivated poliovirus vaccine) cannot prevent transmission of poliovirus. (see appendix for the scientific study, Item #1). Wild poliovirus has been non-existent in the USA for at least two decades. Even if wild poliovirus were to be re-imported by travel, vaccinating for polio with IPV cannot affect the safety of public spaces. Please note that wild poliovirus eradication is attributed to the use of a different vaccine, OPV or oral poliovirus vaccine. Despite being capable of preventing wild poliovirus transmission, use of OPV was phased out long ago in the USA and replaced with IPV due to safety concerns.

2. Tetanus is not a contagious disease, but rather acquired from deep-puncture wounds contaminated with C. tetani spores. Vaccinating for tetanus (via the DTaP combination vaccine) cannot alter the safety of public spaces; it is intended to render personal protection only.

3. While intended to prevent the disease-causing effects of the diphtheria toxin, the diphtheria toxoid vaccine (also contained in the DTaP vaccine) is not designed to prevent colonization and transmission of C. diphtheriae. Vaccinating for diphtheria cannot alter the safety of public spaces; it is likewise intended for personal protection only.

4. The acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine (the final element of the DTaP combined vaccine), now in use in the USA, replaced the whole cell pertussis vaccine in the late 1990s, which was followed by an unprecedented resurgence of whooping cough. An experiment with deliberate pertussis infection in primates revealed that the aP vaccine is not capable of preventing colonization and transmission of B. pertussis. The FDA has issued a warning regarding this crucial finding. [1]

Furthermore, the 2013 meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors at the CDC revealed additional alarming data that pertussis variants (PRN-negative strains) currently circulating in the USA acquired a selective advantage to infect those who are up-to-date for their DTaP boosters, meaning that people who are up-to-date are more likely to be infected, and thus contagious, than people who are not vaccinated.

5. Among numerous types of H. influenzae, the Hib vaccine covers only type b. Despite its sole intention to reduce symptomatic and asymptomatic (disease-less) Hib carriage, the introduction of the Hib vaccine has inadvertently shifted strain dominance towards other types of H. influenzae (types a through f). These types have been causing invasive disease of high severity and increasing incidence in adults in the era of Hib vaccination of children (see appendix for the scientific study, Item #4). The general population is more vulnerable to the invasive disease now than it was prior to the start of the Hib vaccination campaign. Discriminating against children who are not vaccinated for Hib does not make any scientific sense in the era of non-type b H. influenzae disease.

6. Hepatitis B is a blood-borne virus. It does not spread in a community setting, especially among children who are unlikely to engage in high-risk behaviors, such as needle sharing or sex. Vaccinating children for hepatitis B cannot significantly alter the safety of public spaces. Further, school admission is not prohibited for children who are chronic hepatitis B carriers. To prohibit school admission for those who are simply unvaccinated – and do not even carry hepatitis B – would constitute unreasonable and illogical discrimination.

In summary, a person who is not vaccinated with IPV, DTaP, HepB, and Hib vaccines due to reasons of conscience poses no extra danger to the public than a person who is. No discrimination is warranted.

How often do serious vaccine adverse events happen?

It is often stated that vaccination rarely leads to serious adverse events.

Unfortunately, this statement is not supported by science.

A recent study done in Ontario, Canada, established that vaccination actually leads to an emergency room visit for 1 in 168 children following their 12-month vaccination appointment and for 1 in 730 children following their 18-month vaccination appointment (see appendix for a scientific study, Item #5).

When the risk of an adverse event requiring an ER visit after well-baby vaccinations is demonstrably so high, vaccination must remain a choice for parents, who may understandably be unwilling to assume this immediate risk in order to protect their children from diseases that are generally considered mild or that their children may never be exposed to.

Can discrimination against families who oppose vaccines for reasons of conscience prevent future disease outbreaks of communicable viral diseases, such as measles?

Measles research scientists have for a long time been aware of the “measles paradox.” I quote from the article by Poland & Jacobson (1994) “Failure to Reach the Goal of Measles Elimination: Apparent Paradox of Measles Infections in Immunized Persons.” Arch Intern Med 154:1815-1820:

“The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.” [2]

Further research determined that behind the “measles paradox” is a fraction of the population called LOW VACCINE RESPONDERS. Low-responders are those who respond poorly to the first dose of the measles vaccine. These individuals then mount a weak immune response to subsequent RE-vaccination and quickly return to the pool of “susceptibles’’ within 2-5 years, despite being fully vaccinated. [3]

Re-vaccination cannot correct low-responsiveness: it appears to be an immuno-genetic trait. [4] The proportion of low-responders among children was estimated to be 4.7% in the USA. [5]

Studies of measles outbreaks in Quebec, Canada, and China attest that outbreaks of measles still happen, even when vaccination compliance is in the highest bracket (95-97% or even 99%, see appendix for scientific studies, Items #6&7). This is because even in high vaccine responders, vaccine-induced antibodies wane over time. Vaccine immunity does not equal life-long immunity acquired after natural exposure.

It has been documented that vaccinated persons who develop breakthrough measles are contagious. In fact, two major measles outbreaks in 2011 (in Quebec, Canada, and in New York, NY) were re-imported by previously vaccinated individuals. [6] [7]

Taken together, these data make it apparent that elimination of vaccine exemptions, currently only utilized by a small percentage of families anyway, will neither solve the problem of disease resurgence nor prevent re-importation and outbreaks of previously eliminated diseases.

Is discrimination against conscientious vaccine objectors the only practical solution?

The majority of measles cases in recent US outbreaks (including the recent Disneyland outbreak) are adults and very young babies, whereas in the pre-vaccination era, measles occurred mainly between the ages 1 and 15.

Natural exposure to measles was followed by lifelong immunity from re-infection, whereas vaccine immunity wanes over time, leaving adults unprotected by their childhood shots. Measles is more dangerous for infants and for adults than for school-aged children.

Despite high chances of exposure in the pre-vaccination era, measles practically never happened in babies much younger than one year of age due to the robust maternal immunity transfer mechanism.

The vulnerability of very young babies to measles today is the direct outcome of the prolonged mass vaccination campaign of the past, during which their mothers, themselves vaccinated in their childhood, were not able to experience measles naturally at a safe school age and establish the lifelong immunity that would also be transferred to their babies and protect them from measles for the first year of life.

Luckily, a therapeutic backup exists to mimic now-eroded maternal immunity. Infants as well as other vulnerable or immunocompromised individuals, are eligible to receive immunoglobulin, a potentially life-saving measure that supplies antibodies directed against the virus to prevent or ameliorate disease upon exposure (see appendix, Item #8).

In summary:

1) due to the properties of modern vaccines, non-vaccinated individuals pose no greater risk of transmission of polio, diphtheria, pertussis, and numerous non-type b H. influenzae strains than vaccinated individuals do, non-vaccinated individuals pose virtually no danger of transmission of hepatitis B in a school setting, and tetanus is not transmissible at all;

2) there is a significantly elevated risk of emergency room visits after childhood vaccination appointments attesting that vaccination is not risk-free;

3) outbreaks of measles cannot be entirely prevented even if we had nearly perfect vaccination compliance; and

4) an effective method of preventing measles and other viral diseases in vaccine-ineligible infants and the immunocompromised, immunoglobulin, is available for those who may be exposed to these diseases.

Taken together, these four facts make it clear that discrimination in a public school setting against children who are not vaccinated for reasons of conscience is completely unwarranted as the vaccine status of conscientious objectors poses no undue risk to the public.

Sincerely Yours,

~ Tetyana Obukhanych, PhD

Ubiquiton is comparing Not Vaccinating to jumping out of an Airplane without a parachute.

Ever heard of a more RIDICULOUS analogy? We know 100% of people who fall from that high die. There are enough ACCIDENTAL FALLS to tell us that. There are over ONE MILLION UNVACCINATED in USA – and they are ALIVE AND WELL. Ubiquiton, your analogies are sooooo stupid!

The Little I Know: “I have read your analysis of the research, and can engage in interpreting things differently, perhaps even disputing the findings. But I won’t engage in that. It’s bitul Torah.”

Syog Lchochma: “Since you don’t listen to or process anything other than your own words, I was saving myself and everyone else time and energy by not bothering to write things that you would ignore anyway.”

Folks, see how when Vaccine Injury Deniers AKA Pro-Vaxxers cannot refute your argument, they claim that they CAN refute but choose not to cuz “bitul Torah” or “you would ignore anyway”. That’s what
Vaccine Injury Deniers do when they LOSE an argument!

SL gives this Fake excuse for not responding to my challenge: “Since you don’t listen to or process anything other than your own words”

Ubiquitin cites a Vax vs Unvax study: The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development in the Philippines. A scientist, VaccinePapers, DEBUNKED this study and I explained it to you in the old thread. To repeat:

a. This study is invalid because the “vaxxed” PHILIPPINE children in this study only got ONE dose of aluminum containing vaccine by age two vs SIXTEEN doses of aluminum for AMERICAN children! That’s
625 mcg of aluminum (Philippine) vs. 4,925 mcg of aluminum (American). So this study proves ZERO about the SAFETY of the AMERICAN CDC Vaccine schedule!

b. There were only 85 “vaxxed” children (who got way less vax then CDC schedule). The autism rate is 2% – you would need HUNDREDS of vaxxed children to get even a FEW autism cases, so this study is invalid because it is much too small.

c. This study was NOT randomized. The Vaxxed children has Richer, Better Educated Parents so probably INHERITED higher IQ which is why Vaxxed children scored better on tests then unvaxxed children who had poorer, less educated parents (lower iq parents). Also vaxxed children had more food and clean water then the unvaxxed children, which also effects test scores.

d. The study did not look at HEALTH Outcomes – only height/weight and test scores. So the study did not look at the rate of asthma, allergies, diabetes, epilepsy etc. in the vax vs unvax.

Ubiquitin: “those studies have been done too”

Ubiquitin is claiming CDC did studies of MMR vs 100% Unvaccinated.

Please tell me where we can find those studies???

“2. The Study does not prove that MMR does not cause Autism. If cancer rate is the same for 32 pack a day smokers vs 34 pack a day smokers, that does NOT prove smoking does not cause cancer! ”

Ubiquitin: no…

Ubiquitin, you just admitted that the Vaccinated + MMR vs Vaccinated (no MMR) does NOT prove that
“MMR does not cause cancer”. THANK YOU for admitting the study is FRAUD.

Ubiquitin: “This question has been answered over and over and over.”

Folks, the question is “Why won’t CDC do a Vax vs UnVax Study”. The question has been ASKED over and over, but it has never been answered. NOTE: Ubiquitin still doesn’t answer this question!

Folks, Syog LChochma said I was “wrong” but refused to say what I was wrong about!

Syog LChochma refused to answer this Yes/No question: Do you believe a study of 32 pack a day smokers vs 34 pack a day smokers having the same cancer rate proves that smoking does not cause cancer?

SL gives this Fake excuse for not responding to my challenge: “Since you don’t listen to or process anything other than your own words”

This is a LIE! I respond to and QUOTE the claims of the Vaccine Injury Deniers (AKA Pro-Vaxxers) and then I refute their claims. When SL can’t refute what I wrote, SL claims it’s “a waste of time to respond”. That’s what people who LOST the argument say!

Little I Know, your name is correct.

LIK, does a study of 32 pack a day smokers vs 34 pack a day smokers with the cancer rate being the same prove that smoking does not cause cancer? Please answer.

Honest Opinion, I am an anti-vaxxer. Read my posts again.

HonestOpinion, you are correct. The study was NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study. It was a
34 vaccines (including MMR) vs 32 Vaccines (Vaxxed but No MMR). The study does NOT prove
“vaccines” don’t cause Autism. The study does not even prove that MMR does not cause autism,
as it would have to be MMR vs ZERO Vaccines to prove that. It was a Fraudulent study designed to
fool people. The SCIENTIFIC GOLD STANDARD study is 100% vaccinated vs 100% Unvaccinated. Could be retrospective study, so no “ethical” problems.

Abba, you hit the nail on the head. Since everyone else is vaccinated the chance of getting measles from an anti-vaxxer is slim. And even if you get measles, the chances of it being serious is slim. So WHY is the government making such a big deal over 2% of kids who don’t vaccinate?

For 40 years, the Tobacco Industry and their hired scientists LIED that smoking doesn’t cause cancer. It was Smoker vs Non-Smoker Studies that proved that Smoking DOES cause cancer. And that is why Government and Pharmaceutical Industry can NEVER allow a Vax vs UnVax Study, as it would prove that UnVaxxed don’t have autism and waaaaaay less adhd, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma, etc.
So Government/Pharmaceutical Industry must Eliminate ALL UnVaxxed, even though they are only 2%,
If there are ZERO UnVaxxed then nobody can never do a Vax vs. UnVaxxed Study. Perfect COVER-UP!

In USA, Measles kill about 1:10,000 – not 1-2:1,000 as CDC Lies.
This is from CDC’s own website:
“In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died,”
If 4 Million cases of Measles resulted in 400 deaths – that is about 1:10,000.
And this was in the 1950s – I am sure doctors can do even better today.

The 1-2 deaths per 1,000 is for THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES where children are starving.
A few of those European Deaths included children who had cancer or were immune suppressed.

I’m not saying that healthy people NEVER die of Measles – but it is very rare.
A person is much more likely to die in a car accident – and nobody is freaking out about driving
in a car.
This is Fake News MANUFACTURED Hysteria about an illness nobody was concerned about
years ago.

Health, Vaxopedia is caught in a LIE once again!
Anti-Vaxxers don’t claim that better hygiene and better nutrition ELIMINATED DISEASE.
The claim is that the DEATH RATE from the disease declined 90% BEFORE Vaccines.

It is extremely rare for a child in USA or other first world country to die from
Measles, Chicken Pox, Roto Virus, Rubella or Whooping Cough.
These diseases used to be listed in Medical Textbooks as BENIGN Childhood Diseases.

Measles, Chicken Pox, Roto Virus, Rubella and Whooping Cough ONLY became “DEADLY”
when the Pharmaceutical Company developed Vaccines for then.
Then the FAKE MEDIA which gets 70% of its Advertising $$$ from Pharmaceutical Industry –
begins to whip up MASS HYSTERIA over childhood diseases that were always considered BENIGN!