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Lakewood schools were using phone conferences before pesach and it’s working great. Internet is not needed.
But why am i getting the feeling that certain posters here are annoyed that some people don’t use internet. You want to use internet, good. they don’t, also good. Why does it bother you? if that’s how they want to live their lives leave them alone.
Of course i may be overthinking things, so just let me know if i am.Aha. So i understand. What you mean to say is that even though R’ Chaim kanievsky and many other gedolim consider them rodfim -people trying to kill me, I should get along with them. Would you say the same thing if someone was throwing stones at me?
If Coronavirus was Zombies running around in the streets killing every 50th person they met, and these people directed them towards others, you wouldn’t be talking like this. (Quoted from Trevor Noah)
What Hashem wants right now as per those gedolim in the know, is that more people should live. if certain people are helping to cause deaths then we must stop them. Even if stopping them involves shaming them into compliance.
Stop being a “snowflake” about serious matters.
First of all, to answer FrumRoshYeshivas question: In WW2 and the Inquisition it was shas hashmaad. Unless you are a serious conspiracy theorist i don’t think the rules against gatherings were designed by the CDC specifically to stop minyanim.
additionally, in those cases it was yechidim giving up their own lives, that we call moser nefesh. In our cases it’s yechidim giving up other peoples lives, that’s called a (safek) murderer.
(and i don’t believe you to actually be a standard rosh yeshiva)In response to the original topic I’d like to suggest the following.
The jews who are violating the stay home orders can be broken up into 2 groups, 1) those without internet and don’t really have a grasp on how many niftarim there have been (obviously 99.88% of those without internet are following instructions) and 2) those who don’t have trust in authority and aren’t thinking clearly.
Both of these groups, if they would realize what they are doing would immediately stop.
The majority Non-Jews who aren’t following the instructions hwever, to my belief simply don’t care. That is the difference between us and them.Disclaimer- I don’t believe that lack of internet is a bad thing, but this is a side-effect of it.
I believe young and healthy people still have almost a 1% of dying from Coronavirus. so for example if 220million people in the US got it, there would be about 2.25 million deaths. If you want to risk it, go right ahead.
All the western countries should get together and cancel all the trillions of dollars they owe to china. it shouldn’t hurt them too much, but will provide a significant potch.
Thetruthiseek:
When someone sacrifices their OWN life for a mitzvah we call it mesiras nefesh.
When someone sacrifices someone else’s life for a mitzvah we call it retzichah.If you can’t understand that then you should have a very long talk with a qualified orthodox rabbi.
In Lakewood the Mesivtas are all moving into shuls in groups of less than 50 starting Wednesday . elemenatry schools are trying to find hosts for classes.
Very simple:
You’ve been listening to Rush Limbaugh.
That’s how you came up with this, “also a larger mortality percentage so what’s the reason for all of the panic wrought by this virus”.
So these are the real facts about the Coronavirus’s mortality percentage in comparison to the Flu. Coronavirus kills about 2% of recognized cases, that’s about 1 in 50. factoring in the unidentified cases it’s probably more like 1 in 75.
Flu is more like .05% mortality rate. (about 1 in 1500)
So 1.50% is a higher rate than .05%.
I don’t know about inflection rates. i also don’t know where Rush Limbaugh got his numbers from.it probably is ok to take a train as long as you jump the barrier and pay another time.
I find with artscroll two problems:
1) learning a daf one time with artscroll and no more is a segulah to forget all the teisch words and it will be impossible to remember the shakla vtarya.
I have to learn it at least one time without any artscrolling in order to remember it. This is not commonly done.
2)even if one knows how to lein a gemara, after using artscroll for a while they will forget.“What did the rambam say about the moon?”
The RAMBAM held that the celestial bodies, the moon included, have no physical bodies and are essentially big orbs of light floating in space.
Rav Yaakov Kammentsky actually explained the RAMBAM that he was just writing what the philosophers of the time believed.
(some of my original post apparently did not go through.)Rav Yaakov Kammentsky actually explained the RAMBAM that he was just writing what the philosophers of the time believed.
” but if there is techiya before than the rebbe is like any other live person, the rambam is saying that once a assumed moshiach according to halacha dies he is now not moshiach according to halacha.”
I don’t really understand what you’re talking about, but if you’re trying to say that it’s still possible for a dead man to be mashiach later on except that there is no chazakah you read the rambam wrong. he says
“בְּיָדוּעַ שֶׁאֵינוֹ זֶה שֶׁהִבְטִיחָה עָלָיו תּוֹרָה”
“we will know that he was not the one Torah has promised.”
That’s a definite NOT.ChabadDefender and all other chabadskers,
Do you believe the Rebbe was a navi?
This Q is asked out of ignorance of your beliefs, as I’ve heard from some that chabad does, and from others that they don’t.1-3 are kosher. 4-7 aren’t as they are teenagers. The cursed prince requires parent decision as it is slightly problematic. i believe the 2 books of the new play series also is on a similiar level as the cursed prince.
The cursed prince does not make any sense whatsoever and is a waste of time to read.
In regard to religious ideas, my aunt says it is a mashal to the constant battle b/w the yetzer harah(voldy) and yetzer tov(dumbledore).
Events can mostly be translated into jewish stuff also.Probably Same mafia that shut concert attacked ywn
We call it dating.
Joseph,
Why only hit the kids, let’s restart malkus!
No! because right now you’d have people leaving the frum communities left and right.
Maybe when mashiach comes our minds will work differently and that’s why it will be reinstated.Doomsday,
You keep saying that vaccines cause autism to rise. So then why haven’t autism rates stopped rising 20 years ago?\And the study I brought:
FROM Johns Hopkins analysis
“While many different combinations of genetic traits can cause autism, brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation, an analysis of data from autopsied human brains reveals.The study, a collaborative effort between Johns Hopkins and the University of Alabama at Birmingham, included data from 72 autism and control brains. It was published online last week in the journal Nature Communications.
“There are many different ways of getting autism, but we found that they all have the same downstream EFFECT,” says Dan Arking, an associate professor in the McKusick-Nathans Institute for Genetic Medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “What we don’t know is whether this immune response is making things better in the short term and worse in the long term.””
If you read carefully, as seen in this sentence “brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.” this study by an extremely respected orginization says that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around as Doomsday tried to claim.
This was a clear lie on Doomsdays part.Doomsday,
Vaccinator just caught you on another LIE.
The mods should throw you off.FROM Johns Hopkins analysis
“While many different combinations of genetic traits can cause autism, brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation, an analysis of data from autopsied human brains reveals.The study, a collaborative effort between Johns Hopkins and the University of Alabama at Birmingham, included data from 72 autism and control brains. It was published online last week in the journal Nature Communications.
“There are many different ways of getting autism, but we found that they all have the same downstream EFFECT,” says Dan Arking, an associate professor in the McKusick-Nathans Institute for Genetic Medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “What we don’t know is whether this immune response is making things better in the short term and worse in the long term.””
This says that encephalitis does NOT cause autism as Doomsday seems to be claiming, but rather the other way around.
Doomsday, that is twisting around words and pure trickery. If you have to resort to lying then you obviously can’t win honestly.To adress Doomsday’s refutation of my risk weighout.
PBS.ORG
“Others who can sign a death certificate include a primary physician, an attending physician, a non-attending physician, a medical examiner, a nurse practitioner, a forensic pathologist or a coroner, but it varies according to state law. In Texas, for example, a justice of the peace can sign.”
That means that when the other 3,500 people died, the cause of death could easily have been written down as a complication of Measles. For example pneumonia.Another point of Doomsday was that only one percent of vaccine injuries were reported. He then quoted the Department of Health and Human Services:
“Electronic support for public health vaccine event reporting system (it’s on the internet)
“FEWER THEN 1% OF VACCINE ADVERSE EVENTS ARE REPORTED” pg 6”
you know what the other %99 were? I would say a rash or slight reaction.Anti-vaxxers,
Pls answer this. What exactly needs to be proven to you in order for you to agree?OK Doomsday,
So really 1 in 7777 died as per the CDC on a different link.
“In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.”However, the statisistics still point in my favor.
HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
“How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,564 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,773 were compensated. THIS MEANS FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.”
So, let’s calculate. We now have a 0.07 chance of dying if we don’t vaccinate and a .00001 chance of vaccine injury if we vaccinate.
Not vaccinating is still not worth it.
I’m still right, so you have to prove me wrong or you lose.“I WON THE DEBATE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT CDC DIDN’T LIE WHEN IT SAYS 1:1,000 DIE OF MEASLES!”
Why do i have to prove CDC didn’t lie?
The debate is over whether to vaccinate.“After all we live in America.
I’m sure you know our country was founded on the belief of freedom. I’m sure you agree that as humans we should have freedom of choice.”
Yes, but just like I can’t fire off ten rounds from a gun in a super market which may or may not damage someone, you can’t live in a pro-vax community and vaccinate.
If you want you can start a new community elsewhere and stay out of the pro-vax communities.“I don’t ask you to agree or follow my choices.”
That’s right, however you do ask me to run the risk of I or my family members contracting a deadly illness.ANTI VAXXERS,
I noticed something funny about you; your’ single point has been adressed.
You said autism rates are up because of vaccines, but as 2scents said, “why hasn’t there been a plateau?”
Furthermore,
CDC/MMWR
“Overall, U.S. vaccination coverage is at record high levels. In 1997, coverage among children aged 19-35 months (median age: 27 months) exceeded 90% for three or more doses of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine (DTP), three or more doses of poliovirus vaccine, three or more doses of Hib vaccine, and one or more doses of measles-containing vaccine.”
STATISTICA.COM
“It was found that in the year 2017, around 91.5 percent of children aged 19 to 35 months had received all their doses of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.”
Okay, so vaccination rates stayed about the same for MMR for the past 20 years.
(It actually fell for others, as seen on the graph on Statistica.)
So then why did autism continue to rise?However, YOU never addressed this.
HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
“How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,564 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,773 were compensated. THIS MEANS FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.Since 1988, over 20,018 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 30-year time period, 17,536 petitions have been adjudicated, with 6,276 of those determined to be compensable, while 11,260 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $4.0 billion.”
Remember, those are facts.
OK, so we have about 10,000 vaccine injuries since 1988. (including unreported and unfairly uncompensated)
let’s do some math. Since 1988, USA population has gone up by around 41 million. According to the CDC, 1 in a thousand measles cases die. if there were no vaccines everyone would have gotten the measles. This means that 41,000 of those 41 million would have died. so we have the option of either 10,000 vaccine injuries vs. 41,000 deaths.
Which do you think is worse?If you do not PROVE this reasoning wrong, you have lost the debate.
Anti-vaxxers,
Would you take this?
“An experimental vaccine that could hold off Alzheimer’s disease is showing results in animal testing, according to researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.Testing in mice has shown that the vaccine safely prevents the buildup of substances in the brain associated with the fatal disease, the team reported this week in the journal Alzheimer’s Research & Therapy.
Following previous research in monkeys and rabbits, the researchers now hope that the vaccine will progress to human trials. If the vaccine proves safe and effective in humans it could slice the number of dementia diagnoses in half, the study’s senior author told USA TODAY.”
(found on Matzav)Josh,
you said
“I strongly believe that there is a real actual question in this case, does one put their child at risk by administering a MMR vaccine when it has been proven and have many eyewitness testimonies that it has caused autism and irreversible brain damage to an otherwise healthy child.”
I don’t understand you. You say you don’t like vaccines because they are harmful. Let’s put this into percpective.
1 in a thousand cases of measles die.
1 in ten causes permanent hearing loss.Look at this.
HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
“How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.So if we don’t take vaccines, 1 in a thousand die. if we do take vaccines 1 in a million gets damaged.
Now if you had a choice of either a .01% chance of dying, or a 0.00001% of recieving a vaccine injury, what would you pick?
THATS FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You argue?“To dismissively and coldheartedly discount it is definitely not a midda of any frum yid and is not coming from people that have torah or yiras shamayim in them.”
YOU SAID WHAT!?
How about you causing extreme danger to everyone else who is trying to be a responsible adult by actually believing the facts, that’s “a midda of a frum yid and is coming from people that have torah or yiras shamayim”?And then you’re not going to respond because you really have nothing to say.
HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
“How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,564 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,773 were compensated. THIS MEANS FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.Since 1988, over 20,018 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 30-year time period, 17,536 petitions have been adjudicated, with 6,276 of those determined to be compensable, while 11,260 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $4.0 billion.”
Remember, those are facts.
OK, so we have about 10,000 vaccine injuries since 1988. (including unreported and unfairly uncompensated)
let’s do some math. Since 1988, USA population has gone up by around 41 million. According to the CDC, 1 in a thousand measles cases die. if there were no vaccines everyone would have gotten the measles. This means that 41,000 of those 41 million would have died. so we have the option of either 10,000 vaccine injuries vs. 41,000 deaths.
Which do you think is worse?Convinced?
I was told by someone involved in programming YWN that many votes for the poll were submitted over all hours of shabbos. Sounds to me like it’s people who have no connection to yeshivos anyway, and therefore the poll is unreliable.
Just a bunch of stats:
90%-95% of the population is needed to be vaccinated for herd immunity from measles, 80%-85% for polio.STATS FROM CDC:
Hospitalization 1 out of 4 cases.
Encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) 1 per 1,000 cases.
Death 1-2 per 1,000 cases.
Ear infections occur in about one out of every 10 children with measles and can result in permanent hearing loss.In 1960, 400,000 people contracted measles, that means about 400 died. The population at the time was 180.7 million. The population now is about 325 million. That means that if no one was vaccinated now, 800 people would have died of measles in 2018. This means that if not for vaccines, 36 thousand extra people in the US alone would have died since 1960. That’s how many soldiers died in the Korean war.
After that, how many people were supposedly harmed by vaccines?
I don’t think it’s worth the risk of not vaccinating.PLEASE CHANGE LAST POST 2ND PARAGRAGH TO “Do you know the EXACT(not really capitilized) wording of the question posed to R’ Chaim?
You found two rabbanim, there are many more others who say you have to vaccinate.
Do you know the wording of the question which was asked to R’ Chaim?Put all the L buses on the same route- up and down the 9. this will immediately take many cars going to yeshiva off the road.
Also put a bridge over the lake from Sunset to Forest and paint normal lines on forest.They need mobile clinics now, because the regular clinics can’t handle the volume. (and that’s also why Dr. Shaniks office in Lakewood was triple as full as a normal Friday this past Friday.)
And now many babies even of pro-vaxxers are put at risk because the parents are afraid to take them to the doctor for their vaccines because of all the possible carriers there for shots. (And the shot takes 21 days to take affect.)
Plus, one of the infected people in Lakewood visited NPGS, and therefore my 2 year old baby was exposed to the measles. She only had her first shot.I saw someone said alcohol is also the same dangerous, now i don’t know how many frum yidden have died from alcohol, but this outbreak started within four weeks ago and already a child died.
Someone else said obesity is also the same dangerous. Well guess what, me being fat is never going to kill your kid!And my being vaccinated doesn’t mean i can’t catch the measles, i still have a three percent chace of getting it every time i’m exposed. That means that if i’m exposed enough times, i’ll probably get it.
And just because measles isn’t so dangerous, something else might be. For example Pertussis, that’s very dangerous for babies. A 2 month old baby in my family almost got brain damaged or died from it, if the anti-vaxxers aren’t stopped, that might be next.
Now we can answer his topic.
I don’t think there is a lack of competition, but the va’ad deciding for many people who they should vote for simply knocks out all competitors. (i saw an ad for some other candidate, forgot his name.)
If there was a like button, i would be able to just hit it on b’lev echads post instead of having to right this.
I think Belev Echad is right.what do you mean by inequality?
Maybe you and your spouse should be able to sell children which you yourself gave birth to, but only for adoption, not slavery. and the child should not be able to get resold.
Rabbi Aderet is now the biggest kanoi of the day.