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I assume they are the same – Meshugoim that will never actually do anything useful.
Health,
“ And he wouldn’t have, but HE decided to take a cop’s taser & resist Arrest.”
I’m not sure what you are trying to do. Are you trying to argue with me? But you wrote basically the same thing that I did, “ that still does not mean the cop did anything wrong when he shot Brooks. he had a taser pointed at him and had the full right to defend himself.”
I guess you are simply agreeing with me, but then why the caps and exclamation points?my view:
1) Rayshard Brooks did not deserve to die.
2) that still does not mean the cop did anything wrong when he shot Brooks. he had a taser pointed at him and had the full right to defend himself. shooting at a specific body part is very hard when you need to shoot in a split second, that’s why he simply pointed at center of mass and fired.I believe that 99% of these people are in the category of tinok shenishba.
I say 99% and not 100% because I assume someone here will say they know someone that _______.“ Ok, I’m sorry. You can continue to try to convince Health of your point.”
Ok, I’m sorry. You can continue to try to convince Health of your point. I personally am finished repeating the same points over and over.
Syag,
Well, I’ve already said that there is no changing my mind on that topic, and seeing as you don’t view what I said in the other thread as making any sense, I would understand if you decided to ignore me in that thread.When someone is simply repeating the same dumb idea over and over without even bothering to listen to logic, then it is time to end the debate. If he is willing to listen to your point of view, then we continue the conversation.
Sanders is a kook, and he simply believes that our laws are immoral. The only thing he is is a commie. That means that if you have twice as much money as me, you owe me 25% of your wealth in order to make us even. So in his mind the looters aren’t stealing, they’re just taking what’s rightfully theirs.
So if he’s the only supporter then the looters don’t really have any support.Can we all ignore Health on the topic of Chauvin’s guilt?
He seems to believe that, even though Floyd would not have died if Chauvin hadn’t restrained him like that and now that Chauvin did restrain him Floyd did die, Chauvin didn’t cause his death.Syag,
You’re 100% right. I don’t think I will ever be able to believe that people would purposely put themselves in the living conditions that exist in the “hood”.About the Unity Video, what exactly did it accomplish?
The little I know,
NO ONE SAID YOU HAVE TO TOLERATE PEOPLE BURNING YOUR BUSINESS,
I will fully support you if you stay in your store and shoot looters.That being said, when you take young men and frisk them for walking in the street, then yeah, they’re not going to respect the police or what they represent- the law!
Do you really think that you growing up in black New York would have a good shot at living nicely with a high paying job?
Well, you’d have to deal with an insufficient school. You’d have to deal with no money to go to college, you’d have to let constantly being bothered by cops “making sure everything is okay” Not get you upset. Your brother who isn’t the school goody goody might get beaten up by cops for not social distancing during an epidemic and you’ll have to just not let it get you upset. You’d probably have to deal with growing up without a father in the house. You’d have to deal with growing up in a slum.
In short, however hard you think your life is, it would be 20 times harder. You tell me it doesn’t make sense to turn to a life of crime, hate the police, hate those who had it easy.
Did you ever read the hunger games? Did it make sense to you that the district people would one day blow up? It did to me….I was not agreeing with the violence. I have said before that I think the looting is evil.
However, I was trying to explain where the black community is coming from. They have spent years in the same miserable hole, in a vicious cycle of crime, do you really think that if you had grown up in Harlem you would act that much different?
There is no hope of an education, the public schools are disasters. College is out of reach for most of them. They have spent years being constantly abused by the police. If you as a teen had been constantly thrown against the wall and frisked every time you walked in the street, would you not be angry at the organization responsible?
I know someone who bought a car of a model popular with African-Americans, for the next 2 years my she was constantly pulled over by cops “just making sure everything was alright” until she finally got rid of it. If you were brought up like that, would you not be angry? Would you maybe not respect the law?
Well that anger has unfortunately reached a boiling point, and this is the result.Syag,
All I’m trying to say is, that at that point the cops had no idea he ever committed a crime. All they knew was that he was drunk.1st degree murder = premeditated murder.
2nd degree murder = intended to kill, but not premeditated.
3rd degree murder = not intending to kill.The degrees of Manslaughter is Much more complicated.
Maybe I’ll post them tomorrow.For all you no intent whatsoever people, an officer called in a code 2, non emergency medical assistance, for a bleeding mouth. (Mouth wasn’t bleeding btw), a minute later an officer called in a code 3 (emergency medical assistance needed). After this Chauvin has his knee on Floyd’s neck And asks, “what’s the matter, man?”, Floyd says “I can’t breathe”. Chauvin responds “so get in the car”. Floyd says “I will”. Chauvin screams again “get in the car”. Floyd says again “I can’t move”. Chauvin says yet again “get in the car” At this point Floyd begins crying, “mama” Chauvin says again “get in the car” Floyd cries “mama”. Chauvin says “get in the car” Floyd said “I can’t” Chauvin “get in the car” Floyd gags and is silent.
Are you telling me that Chauvin didn’t realize that his knee is stopping Floyd from “getting in the car”? Or more likely, he was playing with Floyd.
The video showing clearly what happened from start to finish is called “How George Floyd Was Killed in Police Custody | Visual Investigations” on YouTube In the New York Times channel. (Yes, I know they are liberals and probably photoshopped the whole thing 😉 )
The way some cities are using the national Guard is a little pointless. Some of them aren’t carrying anything besides guns, so they can’t help much besides by shooting people which to normal people doesn’t make any sense. So besides to try to scare people they’re basically pointless. We don’t want another Kent state shooting.
(I’m obviously not talking about the guardsmen with riot gear)Milhouse,
“ most sane people do NOT believe it was murder at all.”
You don’t have to answer, but where on earth do you live?“ The evidence indicates that the knee on the neck did not contribute to Floyd’s death”
You haven’t yet explained where you got this from. The autopsy that came out after the police stopped lying said it was asphyxiation. Was the independent medical examiner lying? I’ve asked you this before and you didn’t answer.If Floyd was white and wearing a yarmulke and tzitzis, you’d be screaming about that vicious murderer anti-Semitic cop that wasn’t arrested until riots broke out. (Which they wouldn’t have, so the cop takeh would’ve gone free.)
Not that it makes a difference, but I don’t think anyone know if Floyd knew the twenty was fake.
Schnitzel bigot,
“ Imagine if the Blacks decided to shut down every interstate in the US at the same time every day for a week.”
Well judging by what I’ve been seeing around the country this week, there would probably be teargas shot at at about quarter of them, and then there goes your peaceful protest.It will be back to normal once de blasio allows the NYPD to fully arrest all the looters.
The way I think about it, There is nothing morally wrong with civil disobedience. But it also doesn’t usually get you what you want. I’m not justifying the looting of private property, it was definitely an evil thing to do, but do you really think the other 3 officers would’ve been charged without cop cars getting burned out?
The little I know,
The other 3 officers just got charged with aiding and abetting murder, and Chauvin’s charges were raised to 2nd degree. Now, do you really think that would have happened if not for tens of police getting burned?Why don’t yidden realize that for every time a cop is mean to them a black is physically attacked by a cop?
By coronavirus we kept complaining that there were fines being given to Jewish stores. While I don’t what was happening with non Jewish stores, I did see videos of cops beating up blacks for not dispersing when told.
But no, definitely not a problem, no big deal, right? Ooh, I cop gave someone in boropark a 50$ ticket! He’s a vicious anti-Semite!
Yidden wake up! Blacks are at the receiving end of a lot of police violence, like it or not, it’s true.
And yes, their economic systems are terrible, they need better schooling, it’s all true, face the facts!
These Protest aren’t specifically about George Floyd, he’s just the last straw. The protests are about a general pattern of police being violent when they see black, of a constant lack of money. There’s a reason the riots are so bad now, more than in the past 10 years, because the low income neighborhoods our even worse off after coronavirus.
For the past 50 years african-Americans were Told they are the same as everybody else, but that never actually happened. The black community at large has almost no hope of getting out of the vicious cycle of poverty and crime without serious help from the government.Another option: have 30,000 cops/national guard/military police flood the streets the moment curfew starts and just have them arrest everyone and hold them for a day. Game over.
I’m not going to discuss the anti-civil rights people that we have here, but in response to whoever said that floyd was convicted of armed robbery, that was 13 years ago. And the fact that you think it’s an excuse for killing him shows how disgusting your way of thinking is. I dont have to explain why. If you cant understand, call a senior rav in your community.
Split up the cops into groups of 50, and give each of them a zone to protect, if they catch people looting in their zone, go in and arrest them all. Tie their hands and feet. Have school buses ready to transport them to a large holding area somewhere. don’t antagonize the peaceful groups with teargas or arrests. If they’re not being violent leave them alone.
National guard is controlled by the governors, he can only send in military police which is very complicated to do.