I personally know of people that went through this cult, and now have major issues in life (they were/are mentally stable people. One ex. a shidduch was put off last minute..).

Circumventing the law by not marring off the kids at 14-15 legally, but having a chuppah, in this day and age is child abuse.

The kids were given vitamin pills before the reporters came.

Even the pictures are posed. (Lets all line up and run to the camera… Tip: next time have the kids play with each other, if they even know how to).

I dont understand the reporter’s sentiments in regards to thinking that since it was all in the past we don’t prosecute anymore. If this group only stopped doing something while being watched, how can anyone trust them?

It is not hypercritical to claim that the kids are being taken away in part due to the fact that they are being forced away from their parents within the cult. Since the reason the cult does that (and marry them off young), is a tactic to keep the parents from running away.

Taking away the kids is the only legal option left to break apart this cult and to save the kids – yes to save them. (The are not put into foreign speaking homes, rather into chasidish homes nearby). Hopefully the parents can then leave the cult and repossess their kids.

This newspaper uses the same tactic as the cult, that this is our issue, not the cults.

The only true part is about education, but the schools are in negotiations about that.

Here we are dealing with run aways, mind control, child abuse (mostly mentally) and part of it is a lack of education.

That is not enough to write a half of a magazine equating klall yisroel to them.

The Rabbonim of Montreal did not endorse the group, they just wrote about the chumra of mesira.

There are even Rabbonim that say it is a mitzvah to maaser is this case due to the horrible things that happened to so many people that came out of the cult. (Im talking suicidal).

They have clearly written a biased article.

Either they wanted to sell some papers over Pesach, or “the writer” got influenced by the cult leader during his 3 hour meeting.

I know plenty of people that will not buy the this newspaper anymore.

(I would like to relate a story that belongs in this thread, and which may pertain to some of the commenters.)

When i was in yeshiva in E”Y about three years ago, I had eaten a seuda by Hagoan Harav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita. The experience was something that I wish everyone can experience, for it is hard to explain in words the palpable kedusha that was felt in the air. It was a friday night seuda, and by R’ Chaim Shlita on Shabbos most of the lights are not on. In the dining room there is one light bulb near the door that stays on. (The reason for this minhag is spoken about). Throughout the seuda the grandchildren and other guests of R’ Chaim Shlita were asking questions, mainly in regards to halacha. I was quiet for a while, but then started getting more comfortable, and felt a little left out of the fun. I reminded myself of a side sugya i was learning, it was about birchas mezonos. There is a halacha that if there is any mezonos in a food, even a minority, one makes a mezonos on that food (except if it is hamotzi). So the question arrises with shnitzel (chicken cutlets) , if the beracha should be mezonos. So i asked R’ Chaim in yiddish “what beracha does one make on shnitzel,” he looks up and asked, “Vos is shintzel, ich vais nisht vos dos is” (what is shnitzel)? Now that is amazing that someone in EY does not know what shnitzel is!

Another amazing story from that seuda came right after the seuda when R’ Chaim left left the dining room, the three bachurim including myself stayed to thank the Rebitzen Aleha Hashalom, and as was her custom, throughout her life she always praised and expressed reverence for her husband. Then also she related a story that happened not long before we came. The first part of the story happened many years before, and is known by many. She related that first. As R’ Chaim was writing a sefer on chagavim (locust), He realized that he was missing the identification of a single chagav. He did all he could to try to find the specifications, his daughter was asked to check with sciences, but to avail. Before the Shabbos seuda that week, that chagav was sitting there on the table. Harav Chaim studied it and thus was able to finish his sefer!

The Rebitzen continued, there was a kollel in Bnei Brak that was learning the sugya of chagavim, a number of weeks prior. The Rosh Kollel said over the story that happened to R’ Chaim when he was learning that sugya. There was one man in the kollel with obnoxious attitude denied that such a story could happen with R’ Chaim. The man went home that day to find his apartment infested with chagavim! (Just like tzefardea, said the Rebitzen). The man called exterminators and for three days tried to get rid of them, but to no avail. He went to his Rosh Kollel and asked him what to do. He told him to ask mechila from R’ Chaim Shlita, so he went and R’ Chaim said “I dont know what you want from me, but machul lach machul lach machul lach”. Yup it was all gone!!!

Sacrilage: It seems like you havent been around the world (US, Canada, Mexico, EU, (England, Russia, Switz…) Isreal, Australia……… There definatly is 1,000,000 frum Jews in the world (maybe not in the USA, but there might be). (I dont know about what you are referring to with aish).

In… Stayed here after vort by friend, he lives near bubby (bubba) so I might bring the boyz (with another friend also) over for a visit (or else the old age home is asleep), and for a mini purim seuda…lol! 🙂

Cutie pie: Yes, and I know I shouldn’t have it (bec its not filtered) but since I got a smart phone At&t automatically added a data plan to the phone, so I put it down to the minimum requirement @ 200 MB a month which is very little so I can’t stream any videos or be on to much. I thought I can get around it when I got my phone but they became very strict on that rule that u have to get a data plan on a smart phone (I bought a refurbished bb), so now I’m looking for a good phone (qwerty keyboard with good camera) and not a smart phone because I want to cancel the data plan.

Always here, I guess ur right, but these days all communication is done through electronics. Also this way one can say or express even small talk and whatever comes to ur mind. However a phone call is usually more official, since there is more of a connection. The tweeting and chatting is also good for reuniting old friends or people that one would never say much to otherwise, and through this u could learn more about the other one, especially since with the instant messaging one just spurs anything that comes to his mind without thinking to much (I’m not saying that phone conversations can’t b like that too).

R u being by the vort? What about ur parents?

Did u hear who’s idea it was; b careful! 🙂

Enjoy! and give the chosson my warmest, lol, 🙂 Shabbat Shalom

Ye I tried some with ur dad but…. And I asked ur brother more about the type… Iy”H it will come soon with a blink of an eye (u have a very good reputation)! 🙂 Good Shabbos!

I told them, but only after I came back safe and sound B”H! Btw thanx a lot for all ur help lately I wanted to call u straight but there is no need anymore at this point, lol, but we gota keep thinking! 🙂

He misses u too, cutie pie! He misses the shabbosim out, we also spoke about going to egypt now, lol! 🙂

Very cute cutie pie!

What type of info? I don’t think its for couch potatoes!

Yeh dogo still checks in periodically (sometimes bein hasdorim, trying to shteig..). I try to post when I have something relevant to say on a matter (or to answer someone). I will also try to keep the chevra updated on the new camp when I hear more from my cousin. Is there any thing in specific that u would like me to find out about? (I was also in camp agudah for 5 years so I know about eli merinstein (elmer) he’s a great guy, but I don’t know about his new camp so I didn’t say anything).

R u new to the CR?

Its goal is to be more yeshivish like from lkwd and all other places, I don’t know yet what he excepted, but I do know that a lot of people asked for applications, the best thing for u would be to call the # listed above.

Cause the bachur is my good friend. Hey maybe u know my sis!

I’m not at all intimidated from them, what I mean to say is that I see how bad they feel to say no and its a whole big thing (they tell … And then I hear about it from…) So I don’t want them to feel bad. Its also my laziness that I think about (the walk…) So it doesn’t work out but eventually……. Anyways its all good !

Maybe ill c u motz”sh. Have a good one! Send regards (just kidding)! 🙂

🙂 what ever happened to the delicious kugals on thurs or maybe a shabbos seudah? Just kidding really don’t mention it, ill never hear the end of it!

Iy”H by you bekarov mamash! 🙂

Hie, u asked if it is attracting agudah type. It is more or less going to be like camps kol torah and achim which are more yeshivish then camp agudah, however not “too” yeshivish, just normal yeshivish (sounds like shidduchim).

And geshmackster I am not sure what’s gona be there 1st half, I think I heard that it will be rented out but u can call the # I posted earlier.

Cutie pie I think I figured out who u r from looking at your old posts, yup I think we r related, but I didn’t know u r close with the director

Mrs derech it is funny to see a woman kick out other woman for being that gender, it is also funny to see a woman start a mans thread. My raaya (proof) is that your whole upshlug (proof against) to maseches chanuka is that there aint 500 blatt, hey what about there is no meseches chanuka and if u missed that, what about daf gimmel can u please explain that, oh no need cause I’m finding this thread very funny there are hardly any men posters, so girls keep havin a good time thinking that guys have nothing to talk about, its just that it doesn’t work to try to make ur mindset mascular, it won’t work!

No mr chayav it is not connected to that ruach chaim, it is a new regualar geshmake normal yeshivishe camp!

i personaly think wavery is very nice not to curly though, just at the edges (i am a guy so i don’t know the names of these styles just descriptions)

Also it is not connected to ruach chaim from brooklyn, and is for 6,7, and 8th graders. (this week it is on page 31 in the yated, blue page backround)