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  • in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1816067
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    Two things: If it was already well-known, and the story allegedly happened decades before the Riyatz said it, it would be documented in Chabad seforim published earlier than it was said by the Riyatz. Maybe it is, and that’s why I’m asking for a source.

    Also, as pointed out in other threads in the Coffee Room, and in other forums, there are a number of stories told by the Riyatz that are definitely not historical, so maybe this is also one of them.

    in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1815697
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    To continue what 5ish refers to as the “comedy thread” I will once again ask if there are any EARLIER sources – that is, earlier than Likutei Diburim whose reliability has been questioned in a number of other threads – that show that 20 Kislev was celebrated in Chabad in conjunction with 19 Kislev.

    in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1814660
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    I’ve checked other threads in the coffee room, and I see that in the past there have been others more knowledgeable than me who have questioned Chabad’s “history” and who have even doubted some of the things written by one of their rebbes. So I don’t feel I’m in terrible company if I question the veracity of this story.

    How long ago were Chabad celebrating 20 Kislev? Are there any primary sources? By that I mean that if there is a statement in one of the seforim of, say, the Tzemach Tzedek himself, I would consider that primary and reliable. But a more recent source claiming that the Tzemach Tzedek said something about it is neither primary nor reliable.

    in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1813748
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    Can someone please tell me who wrote Beis Rebbe?

    From what I hear, and what I have experienced firsthand in a more limited fashion, Chabad chassidim will believe anything bad said about anyone who they can label misnaged (or as I think Beis Rebbe calls it “menaged”) regardless of who the source is. I have heard stories – some pro-Chabad and some anti – quoted in the name of other Gedolim and after checking found some of them to be without a shred of truth.

    in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1813373
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    I tend to see it as very hateful. If the Baal Hatanya suffered from a misnaged it is hateful to make an entire day’s yom tov about it to the extent that tachnun is omitted.

    But as Syag Lchochma says who said that it came from him? I’m still waiting for a reply about that.

    in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1813109
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    Thanks for that Milhouse but who wrote it? Clearly not the Baal Hatanya as he is referred to in the story in 3rd person.

    There are so many Chassidic stories that are made up, so I’m wondering where this came from.

    in reply to: 20 Kislev in Chabad #1812744
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    Thanks for the explanation Milhouse but is that really correct. Sounds terrible and not at all in line with Chabad’s love of all fellow Jews, mitnagdim or chassidim.

    Can you give me a source where the Baal Hatanya himself gives that reason?

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