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I didn’t mean to say that you are a Christian, but that the question is one of more Christian concern that Jewish.
I don’t believe we spend much time concerned with which translation is the most accurate one as it is generally the unlearned that use the translation altogether. The “truly academic” use the Mikraos Gedolos which is not a translation at all.
Those that do need translations usually turn to either Metsudah, Artscroll and others. These are orthodox publishers who can be relied on to relay some aspect of the ideas that the verses are expressing. They do not, and cannot express the entire spectrum of ideas that any given verse contains. Only the original can do that.
That is why I call your question a Christian one. They do not generally study Hebrew and are forced to rely on translations and overemphasize its importance.
I am not saying anything that is unknown. Even Onkelos’ “translation” is often more of a commentary than a word for word translation. Let alone, Yerushalmi and Yonasan ben Uziel.
I think the most important question we need to ask ourselves that came out of this thread is:
Was Poppa’s usage of “How come” grammatically correct in this situation? Should he have used “Why”? These are questions every mother and father must ask (in no particular order) him and herself at least once in a lifetime- preferable her or his own.
So the answer clearly is that everyone really knows deep down who the tzadikim are and who is worshiping avoda zara, and knew who the Navi was speaking to
That’s good because I was confused 1/4 of the way through.
Can a non-pretty person make themself pretty?
I assume that this is a purely hypothetical question to train the mind how to think since there are no non-pretty persons who are Jewish.
The “authentic proverb of Solomon” is that which is written in the Masoretic Text of the Aleppo Codex that we use today. Anything else will only be one dimensional translations that fall short of expressing the full scope of any single verse.
There can not really be a “True translation” as the various nuances of Biblical Hebrew doesn’t lend itself to a single universal translation in many if not most cases.
Also, I think for the most part our studies have not focused on translating the text since elementary school. We are mostly familiar enough with the translation to be more focused on the commentators and using their various commentaries on the verses to get a deeper understanding of the text. Additionally, we are all familiar with the adage that “there are 70 facets to Torah”. So we do not winnow out the truth from our commentaries. We eat the loaves of bread that were prepared for us.
In my opinion- and don’t take this negatively- your question sounds a bit Christian.
Well it does have specific meaning. It means you’re a Jewish male. Whether or not you want that honor, it is your honor nonetheless.
I am not saying people should call you it against your will. Maybe you also don’t like being called Mr. That’s your prerogative. But you are not less of a Mr. just because you don’t want to be called it and you are not less a Reb just because you don’t want to be called that.
Just because you don’t like to be called Reb doesn’t mean that you are not supposed to have that honorific.
HaRav is formal
Rav is not formal
Rabbi is English
Reb is for anyone
It’s because babies like their mother more
I don’t think the entire collective of babies have only one shared mother.
And you can’t answer your own questions. It makes it seem like you were asking rhetorically.
I’m doing it.
deiyezooger hit that nail right on the head.
I would have, but I think if I waited any longer the timing would be off. One liners require good timing. You have to catch the mood.
Is a diet including eating pizza unhealthy?
Not if you’re just looking at it.
Finally. It took me 14 hours to think of a good line for this thread.
The ball is in another court now.
Well I guess you’ll just have to wait until they’re finished their game and give you back the ball. Unless you want me to get some guys together and muscle that ball back for you.
It’s really not nice when people take other’s balls away when they’re in the middle of a great game. Have some compassion. Seriously.
I pine for that generation.
I’ve noticed that whenever someone comes off a major mood-altering medicine there can be an increase of the negative mood that was being treated for about 2 weeks.
20 more years would have been just fine.
My R”Y told me that gedolim die in threes.
Who was before Rav Michel Yehudah ZT”L?
He is probably talking about (what I think is called) the alveolar trill. For some reason though Modern Hebrew uses (what I think is called) the ulvular fricative.
Here’s an even scarier thought.
What if Joseph isn’t Zeeskite.
Maybe Zeeskite is Joseph and Joseph and his multiple accounts were socks of the Joseph sock account. Maybe Joseph never existed.
What is Zeeskite is a sock account I create in order to mislead people into thinking I was the actual account holder when it was really just a front to create the Joseph sock account.
What if I don’t exist and my account is really being controlled by three mice, two of which operate the keyboard via exercise wheel and the third which wears a smoking jacket and sits in an armchair smoking pipes.
That would mean that I’m a three mice, Derech HaMelech, Zeeskite, Joseph and a host of random account names.
I’m scaring myself.
OH. I thought someone might be hunting wabbits here. Guess not.
HaLevi: I guess you are talking about intangibility in your distinction between a ghost and Eliyahu Hanavi?
Are you suggesting that if someone sat in kisei shel Eliyahu, he would actually feel Eliyahu? I would guess that Eliyahu is visible and tangible to some while at the same time remaining invisible and intangible to those that aren’t zocheh.
Also, if Rebbe made kiddush he must have been able to hold the cup. I don’t he would make kiddush without holding the cup with all five fingers.
Personally, I think that without reaching some madreigah of kiddushah it would be impossible to see a neshamah. I recall seeing somewhere that Eliyahu Hanavi and malachim have to put on some type of body when coming into our world. It sounds counter-intuitive to me that a person who died would be given this levush too.
Shein:
I remember seeing in the Otzar Acharis HaYomim that its a machlokes, but I could be wrong.
IS:
It doesn’t make a difference what it actually looked like per se. The pasuk says “???? ??? ?? ????? ???”. What matters is what we are saying it did. It could be that Eliyahu used the maaseh merkava to go up. I’m not a mekubel so I don’t know how these things work, but I see that Eliyahu went up in a ???? which is also found Yechezkel 1:4.
What matters is if the purpose of this vehicle was to bring Eliyahu to shamayim or to another planet. Without any mekor, for saying such a chidush, you need to bring a proof that it is anything other than what is commonly explained.
Speaking of shnitzel. If you want to bake your shnitzel instead of fry it, take honey and mustard 1:1 mix it and dip the shnitzel then toss them into bread crumbs and bake. It comes out really good.
That’s an impressively short list.
And I’m sure if you take the potato chip bag when there is only one chip left, you’ll be able to cross that one off your list.
For chewing gum and walking in a straight line:
Start off slow. Chew your gum once, then take a step, chew, step, chew, step. I can’t do it myself, but my wife is quite the multi-tasker.
All the sifrei kabballah that talk about olamos are talking about spiritual worlds not physical ones. That is clear from how they describe some of these worlds.
If you look in Rashi on that posuk in shoftim it will be clear that the “inhabitants” are those that are in the vicinity of the star.
A chariot of fire, is a chariot of fire. You need to bring some type of proof that the words mean something they doesn’t say.
The entire world was created for the sake of klal Yisroel and the Torah. We are here and the Torah is with us. Without a mekor that specifically speaks about a physical world populated with physical beings there is no reason to assume that one exists.
A LOT of pple might think this is crazy or ” another therapy/psychiatrist case” but if someone IS an “old soul” they might be able to comprehend our “theory”
The Christians say that you need to have the “holey spirit” in order to understand that their books don’t really contradict themselves.
if you tell me ghosts (not Eliyahu, not shadim, not dybulim, not dream visitations) are in the Gemorah that would be proof enough for me.
The gemarah in kesubos 103a says Rebbe used to come home on Friday night. The gilyon hashas adds that he would be motzi everybody kiddush.
Not that I necessarily believe in anything said here, but is that proof enough?
Between ghosts and “old souls” its starting to get a little bit too new-age in here.
More like subpar, as if there’s something very wrong with us.
I disagree. My wife has a few friends that aren’t married. I think these girls are very special. Each of them has conquered a tremendous amount of adversity and has come out with sparkling personalities. I’m honestly very surprised that they have been having so much trouble. The only reason I can think of is that there are so few guys who are equally as special.
If we still ate Belz hechsher my wife would probably say Ben & Jerry’s
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adorable:
Maybe the guy’s wife was there while he was on the phone and he was trying to be mechabed her yoser migufo…which is not something he has to do for your father’s wife?
Health:
We aren’t in the 2000 years of tohu anymore where Hashem is going to rebuild the world from a few families. We aren’t responsible for the choices the goyim make for themselves. The only time we need to intercede is when it will affect Yidden. I have been saying that all along.
The way I see it, there are two types of Yidden that this subject is nogeiah to. Those that have this taivah, and want to be oimeid b’nisayon and those that have this taivah and have no qualms about giving into their taivah.
In the first case, being able to marry the same gender does not have any appeal because they are trying to be koivesh their yetzer.
In the second case, not being able to marry the same gender wasn’t going to stop them from being oiver on the maiseh toeivah, so its irrelevant.
I am not saying that the fact that the Yidden in the second case are being oiver is not important. I am arguing that what is important is the cheit itself, not the marriage which is not even a heicha timtza to be oiver.
If you can give me a case where a Yid will be oiver an aveirah that he otherwise would not have been oiver because he is now able to marry the same gender, then I will agree with you right away. I just haven’t been able to think of such a case.
blueprints:
I haven’t conceded anything, you just haven’t understood what point I’ve been arguing about this whole time.
I don’t know what icedroses are. But we made drie-outroses from the flowers my wife held at the chasuna. Then they got all moldy and we threw them out.
Is that sort of the same thing that we’re talking about here?
moishy: yes, why? Is it weird that I’m a male and still kept my last name from before I was married?
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abcd2:
This can happen to anyone not just people who could not get married.
That is what I’m trying to say. My original point was that the same-gender marriage laws will not cause a Yid who otherwise wouldn’t have been oiver to now be oiver. Therefor there is no reason to be against them on principle. There is, however, a reason to be for them. By giving them help on this, they in turn will be more amenable to giving us help on an issue that would affect Yidden.
Obviously if the gedolim say to oppose it, then that is what we have to do. But I am trying to understand why.
abcd2: There is a difference between the children in Yerushalayim who are not exposed to the goyishe world and the rest of the children who will likely have contact with goyim in their teenage years. But even with the pashkeveilim at least their exposure shed a negative light on toeivah.
But in metziyus do you see even one Jew who has a taivah for mishkav zachar not being oiver only because he couldn’t get married?
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Laor goyim means being a moral light, because the whole world goes down when people act as they did in Sdoim.
Ho gufa. We have to be mesaken our actions so that the goyim will follow it- not fix the goyims’ actions for them.
I don’t know anything about politics so I don’t really get what you were saying after that.
abcs2:
I did not know that you live isolated in Eretz Yisrael or was it only recently that they tried for a pride march in Yerushalyim.
I have been very clear in saying that I only don’t care when it will not affect Yidden. The march in Yerushalayim was a chillul Hashem and a bizayon nora. Children in Yerushalayim that saw the pashkevelim and otherwise might not have known about such things could have been opened to these prusta things and affected very badly. I am specifically not talking about cases where Yidden will be affected.
Yes, I should first study what tikun olam entails. Can you point to me a case where the gemarah applies tikun olam to something we need to make sure goyim do? Or to any sefer accepted by the Chareidi public that speaks about tikun olam? It’s something I always wondered about.
In a case where the anti0sodomy laws were even slightly enforced, I would be against repealing them as they might prove to be even a slight deterrent for a Yid suffering from this taivah. Every little bit helps. But in a case where there was a total non-enforcement of these laws, I would see no reason to not repeal them and a reason to repeal them: namely, as a bargaining chip to encourage those that want these laws repealed to work with me on more practical issues.
We are married. Just ask the Sephardim to show you your kesubah on Shavuos.
I know someone who had a bunch of bad things happen to them, including a home robbery and they checked and found a posul mezuzah.
Shein:
My attitude is hardly nonchalant. And I generally live in E”Y where its not nogeiah that I should need to speak to my Rosh Kollel.
I have never seen the halachos of Tikun Olam, that I know that this falls under it.
I don’t care if the goyim violate the mitzvos bnei Noach. That is their problem, we have enough of our own to worry about.
I did not make any comment about legalized abortion, although on a practical level I can see that someone considering abortion will likely factor in how easy it is to get it done. This might deter another Yid. But I don’t think being able to marry another member of the same gender will prevent someone from being oiver on ma’aseh toeivah- which is the actual aveirah.
Legalizing murder would directly affect Yidden everywhere, so I think I would be against that. But with someone with a nonchalant attitude like mine, you never know…
The “issuing of a toeivah liscense” is exactly my point. It is already permitted to be oiver on this in America. That is not what changed here. The problem is the actual ma’aseh toeivah. And that was happening anyway. Why should I care if some goy is happy that he could switch rings at a ceremony with another goy. Its not the ceremony that’s assur, its the ma’aseh toeivah.
I found it. The one I was using had it at tes vov. A newer one has it at yud.
I think you’re stretching the words a bit though to get it to be talking about same gener relationships. The only thing it says Hashem will do is that He will punish them. It doesn’t mention yemos moshiach at all.
I still have the same name from before I got married.
The answer to your question is on the same website:
Feif Un:
I hear what you’re saying, but I think the people who know care about doing averios will be trying their best to stay away from this anyway, and the people who don’t care were doing it anyway.
Health:
1. Even though the world was destroyed, Noach who was not mishtatef, wasn’t. Maybe my problem is that I don’t care what happens to goyim.
2. I think the problem is that they didn’t search for help and support from rabbonim. I’m sure a taivah like that is unimaginably hard to deal with, without proper support. If they weren’t getting it, I wouldn’t be surprised that they would be poirek ol.
I just want to add, that I don’t support these things in anyway. I’m just talking from my own (probably krum) sevarah. I am not saying that toeivah is fine, because there is no rationalizing it. Its an aveira period. I just think that those that were being oiver until now, will continue to be oiver and those that weren’t still won’t.
The only way this would be a problem to me, is if more Yidden would be oiver because of this law. And I don’t understand why that should be the case at this point.
Ben Levi:
I don’t have a Medrash Rabbah where I am now, so I’m using the one at HebrewBooks. According to the Medrash there, siman yud is on the pasuk about esav coming out red and it talks about the geulah and beis hamikdash. Nothing about toeivah.
Ben Levi:
There is a Medrash (in Medrash Rabba) on the pasuk that describes Eisav as a man of the fields that discusses same gender relationships.
There is no such Medrash on the pasuk you say. Would you mind looking into that and letting me know the right pasuk?
abcd2: I agree with everything you say. The only difference I see is that, until now these “couples” were living together but without the title “married”. Now they have the title “married. Nothing changed in metziyus. And that’s what I don’t understand. They were doing what they do anyway. It is only their title that changed.