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Someone here is living in an alternate universe. Or has been hiding in a cave for a few decades. The secular Jews of Hertzyl’s movement and Ben Gurion’s political cohort are long gone. In our current existence, 40% of eligible young people in Tel Aviv are draft dodgers, they’re be happy to live in LA. Today’s “Zionists”learn in the Mir, stay here for 2, 4, 6, and sometime more years, and support E”Y through their limud Hatorah. In less than 50 years, we chareidim/chassidim will be the largest demographic here. In 1948. the world voluntarily handed over our land to us. מאת ה׳ יצא הדבר. You and the Niturei Karta hold of a very small minority-backed view that rov haposkim do not. The Niturei Karta today stand with, and repeat the mantras of the groups that wish to annihilate over 6 million Jews living in E”Y, and you are trying to be melamed zchus on these rishuim. This is the truth and the only truth that exists for those that serve Hashem b’neemanus: There is no Zionist State; there is only Eretz Yisroel.
And you sir are slandering Hashem’s land just like the miraglim.

Fraud in academia is considered an absolute Yeihureig V’al Yaavor, in particular plagiarism. No one but Gay would ever be be allowed to hold the position she did with her history of fraud. Ever.

Exactly which law is it that applies to everyone including Trump? The hush money law? What a joke – in the US under Biden, the law does not apply equally to everyone. There is clearly a 2-tiered system of justice where democrat elites avoid persecution for crimes all other US citizens would be put away for, for a long time the Biden family corrupt influence peddling being just one of many, many examples.

Blind obedience to Democrat ideology results in its constituents losing their ability to think critically or engage in self-preservation in the face of visceral anti-semitism.
Case in point:
“….many police are I. Fact criminals as well as racist bigots.”
The data do NOT support this. This myth that has led to the defund the police movement and has brought tremendous harm to minority communities and has resulted in the sky-rocketing of crime in major cities. Anarchy is not a Jewish value.

“Israel’s enemies over Israel. While you and I may support Israel and like our government to do so, no American of any party has that obligation.”
This is straw-man argument. The issue with Squad democrats is not about supporting or not supporting Israel – it is about emboldening and empowering those who seek to destroy Israel and annihilate her population of 6 million Jews through supporting the PA’s pay-for-slay policies, BDS, etc. Reportedly Omar has a Palestinian map in her office which has Israel completely erased from the middle east, in addition to her “Zionism is creepy” comments. FACT: statistically, most (but not all) anti-semitic rhetoric and hate crimes against Jews come from the democrats and the left.

“Some want nothing to do with foreign affairs.”
Correct. But those who want to be involved should not be Israel-hating anti-semites like Omar. Israel is America’s only ally in the middle east.

“Socialism over Democracy. I support many social programs.”
Yes, you should feel free to support social programs but not forced to through government mandates. And socialism is not some random package of ineffective programs like public education. Socialism is Venezuelians bringing toilet paper and light bulbs to the hospitals treating their loved ones.
It behooves long-time democrats to face the reality of what the democrat party of today is and let their Jewish moral compass assess if in fact they should continue to support what the democrat platform has become.

Sure those territories are “occupied” – by a bunch of Jew-hating low-life Muslim terrorists who time and again have been refused citizenship by their religious brethren that occupy 56 Islamic countries in the middle east and around the world. If this is confusing, at the very least open a Sefer Bereishis and read the first Rashi there. Frankly, I am baffled by the ignorance and self- hatred of some of the people on this thread.

It seems that Jewish Democrats are not only delusional but ignorant of history as well – “As long as we’re on our best behavior, our non-Jewish neighbors will respect and appreciate us” said every Jew in Germany in the 1930’s, in Spain in the 1400’s, in Mitzrayim when they voluntarily joined the construction that soon became forced labor. Pathetic.

Yep. The IDF is not happy about Biden’s return to pay-for-slay – funding terrorists makes their job a lot harder.

It’s difficult to have a rational exchange with so many democrats/leftists. They don’t think logically or even understand logic or empiricism, the cornerstone of objective thought. Their offense involves unjustifiably grabbing for the moral high ground and name calling, and their defense is yelling “no whataboutism”. I have two words to say that come straight from the heart: David Dorn. This is not about leftist hypocrisy as despicable as it may be. This is about an absolutely horribly realistic fear of the democrats re-engineering the great USA and undoing all of its characteristics that have made it a safe haven for Jews and all of its citizens such as equality under the law, due process, freedom of speech, and yes, the free market. Leftists/Democrats on this forum take heed: you will not like the America that the left is attempting to create.

I support adding President Trump to Mt. Rushmore and I am not trolling. I don’t support accusing others of trolling. We get it – Trump is triggering. But 7 million+ voters think he did a good job.

To leftists who don’t understand the difference between opinions and facts:
“If I were not honest, I would call myself the greatest US president of all time, but someone beat me to it.”
This evaluation of Trump’s presidency by Trump is an OPINION that you don’t like, but is supported by 70% of Jews living in Israel and many orthodox Jews living in America. On the other hand, to say that you didn’t say that you support a ban on fracking when you actually did say it is a contradiction of the facts – also known as lying.

There are many beautifully written biographies about past and present gedolim that can serve as examples of extraordinary people living exemplary lives. Highly recommended. Or come to E”Y and do a Gedolim tour or learn in kollel with contemporary talmidei chachomim.

It’s very sad that assimilated frum Jews look to politicians for role modeling in morality. Had you done any research or read any biographies about past US presidents, you would know that immorality was ubiquitous among them. Frum Jews voted for Trump because he championed a safe, law-and-order America, didn’t glorify Muslims and vilify Jews, and offered policies that boosted the economy. It’s pretty straight forward.

No offense, but you’re kind of clueless

Trump has terminated the financial support for the PA’s pay-to-slay policies that gave financial incentives to arabs to kill Jews. Biden would reinstate those financial incentives. Biden would also re-join the Iran deal to speed up Iran’s access to nuclear weapons, that they have promised to use against Israel. Biden does not condemn the violence in the streets of American cities against innocent residents nor the terrible epidemic of assault on law enforcement agents. The democrat party has exploited Black America for decades and continues to do so as inner-city neighborhoods are destroyed and crime rises with the defunding of the police. BLM is one of the biggest scams against Black America and is supported and funded by the left. Vote for Biden if you hate Jews and Blacks.

The meraglim of our dor have spoken and without any seichel, using strawman arguments. Yep, clearly, obviously, unequivocally, we are in golus, and for those of us who live in Yerushalayim, daven at the Kosel, the devastation of the churban is clear and present. But living with kedushas Eretz Yisroel is no small matter, and neither is equating living in Beit Shemesh, Bnei Brak, Beitar with living in Chutz L’Aretz. You obviously have missed out on numerous Maamerei Chazal lauding living in Eretz Yisroel. Sad.

I like this thread – don’t really care who started it or why. I believe people support Trump because:
He doesn’t bash America or Americans – he seems to like the country and care about its citizens and most of his policies and their effects reflect that
His policies up until the big deal have served Israel well
He’s blunt, funny, and although he lies like all politicians, it seems he believes his untruths, unlike politicians who don’t believe their own lies but demand that you believe their every lying utterance
If Democrats can convince Americans that they have better domestic and foreign policies that will benefit them financially, improve the economy even more, provide better trade deals and security – Well, speak up!
As far as character goes, he’s quite a character. Seriously, we look to our clergy, religious texts , and fellow members of our religion for lessons in morality. If you’ve read any of the biographies of past presidents, many if not most, were not very moral in their personal lives. It is a shameful reality.

The ignorance and naivete here is astounding. Ukraine corruption was an ongoing concern – the Obama administration had opened an investigation. And at the time Trump ran for and was elected president, Biden hadn’t been the democrat nominee – there was no reason to ASSUME that iberbutil Biden would be seeking a 2020 run. And Biden, his son and other family members SHOULD be investigated for their abuse of position and power. And even if Trump’s motivation wasn’t purely lishma – so what? Thought crimes are not impeachable offenses. Liberals would like to see people hang for thoughts that are not “progressive” and politically correct but so far the constitution and rule of law, while under attack, are still the law of the land. There are plenty of other countries that punish thought crimes – if you don’t hold of due process or the values of the constitution there are plenty other MUCH better places to live.

Use your Grey Matter:
I did not say Rabbonim are discouraging, nor did I use the word horrible. What I posted is factual. So to reiterate – majority of jewish leadership is not actively encouraging this mitzvah and by and large American Jewry is staying put, despite the accessibility of this amazing opportunity and despite being desperately needed here in E”Y. Although it should go without saying, OF COURSE you should discuss this kind of decision with your Daas Torah and follow through with his psak. So don’T get so hostile – and it’s Dr. Brim, by the way, and I wasn’t paskening for anyone.

We are still atoning for cheit hamiraglim. And if Klal Yisroel dragged their heels when Moshe Rabbeinu attempted to lead them in, the general absence of encouragement by the majority of Torah-Jewry leaders does not bold well for us making the move. On the the hand, this thread, and the fact that at least some Jews believe that we have by-and-large run out of valid excuses for remaining in chutz la’aretz (with exceptions, of course) is a big step in the right direction. Hashem has given us such an opportunity, to live in Eretz Yisroel in relative physical and spiritual peace – how can we possibly refuse it? #hauntthepalace

All strawman (strawmen, strawperson) arguments aside, why the premise that making abortion illegal is government overreach? Legalizing the murder of unborn babies, allowing the government to legislate life or death, is the ultimate in government interventionism. Sure, a women’s body is her body. She can choose whether or not to get pregnant. But once she has created a baby even if it was unintentional, murdering that baby is, well, murder. In the rare case where the baby is a rodef, ectopic pregnancies, etc. the mother’s life must be saved. But these medical rarities are not what roe v wade was addressing, nor what democrats are concerned with when they celebrate abortion.

Sariray – I applaud your courage in attempting to reason with some very antagonistic, angry, and closed-minded posters. You are the inspiration for this post. Although I have a Ph.D. in research and am the mother of nine children who have had a number of these childhood diseases, I’d like to remind us all that the heart of the debate (no, this is not about the world being round or flat, but bear in mind that for a very long time, society and scientists believed that the world was flat) is the risk/benefit ratio. If you have done due diligence in reviewing all the vaccine literature, and you have some knowledge of research design and statistical inference, it is clear that the research is, at best, inconclusive. More importantly, for a child that is vaccine-injured and for his/her parents, the vaccine was 100% harmful. Most childhood diseases that have supposedly been eradicated follow cyclical patterns and when there is an outbreak, the risks are minimal and occur for children whose health has been compromised. As far as vaccine risks, it is dishonest and/or delusional to deny that they don’t exist- see vaccine inserts, vaccine ingredients, the CDs’s “unavoidably unsafe” statement, VAERS’s accounts of vaccine injury, as well as the vaccine literature. If a medical protocol prescribed for HEALTHY children involves health risks, parents should have the right to refuse it. Period. And, no, they should not be required to move to Guatemala – they should be considerate and keep their children away from others when ill (measles symptoms (fever, hacking cough) occur before actual contagion which occurs four days before and four-five days after the rash onset). You are free to continue to demonize parents who chose not to vaccinate (they not anti-vaccines, they are pro-health- education and choice) but know that most of these parents, who have to swim upstream and against the tide, are better informed about vaccines than you are, and love their children as much as you love yours. May all yiddishe kinderluch (and their families) always be healthy.

Have you never been to a black inner city neighborhood? Or the trailer parks, home to poor middle-America whites? As American citizens, these communities should be a priority over Hondurans – in some fantasy world we have unlimited resources but not in reality. And if law enforcement is so “effective” why are there millions of illegal aliens crossing our borders annually? And how come your concern with gang rule doesn’t extend to MS-13? The deception, delusion and hypocracy of the left would be laughable if there wasn’t so much at stake.

Noone is arguing that the current law is humane – of course children shouldn’t be separated from their parents and hopefully policy change is imminent – it’s the blame game and disingenuous conflation and politicizing of children by the left that is being comdemmed.

Kol hamiracheim al achzarim…introducing the US’s new immigration policy – jeopardize your kids by smuggling them across the border – they get free housing, food, medical treatment, and education, compliments of American citizens including legal immigrants, and then wait for hypocritical lying liberals to scream “reconciliation” – presto, you’re in. Or how about open borders – come one, come all – it’s not as though we have our own criminals or poor and needy citizens to help. And while we’re at it – shouldn’t we reconcile the families of incarcerated indiviuals? Let’s do away with the penal system – no borders, no laws – freedom for all. Endorced by liberal media news outlets everywhere.

Let’s imagine that some of the liberal doublespeak “allegations” (i.e., name-calling) applied to Clinton, as well. For example:

Fraud: the Clinton Foundation

Immorality: Monica (yes I’m aware that it involved Bill but she was an accomplice), late-term abortions

Phony: Kissing Suha and then saying there was a mis-translation

Fake: Bengazi, email scandal

But, then, all of this is really irrelevant because irrational people can rationalize any and all evil, e.g.,

“I have a realistic expectation of politicians especially when it comes to Foreign policy. Its called Realpolitik and it is the foundation of understanding Political Science since the days of Bismarck. You should read up on it sometime. So I understand (but abhor) how someone could kiss Suha Arafat and take money for her foundation from Gulf states. I look to the bottom line of where her development and implementation of realistic policy was, and it was not objectively anti-Israel”

I hope you take great pride in your tolerance for pay-for-play Palestinian-loving criminals – maybe you could extend that tolerance toward Health just a bit – after all, it’s not as though he’s rioting.