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3) According to Rav Moshe the relevance of 3 million is that this is the required population for an area to be deemed as a reshus harabbim. 500,000 people is a very large proportion of 3 million.
7) First of all, they were only asked, at the most, 9 years ago and not as you claim over the past forty years. Second of all, it is not only that Rav Hirsch did not answer satisfactorily he simply missed many points. Third of all, Rav Hirsch admitted to a friend of mine that according to Rav Moshe the Brooklyn mechitzos are sufficient.
8) My point was that many of the arguments are irrational. Of course, if one followed his rav who does not allow carrying I would agree that is rational.
You are incorrect. Mechitzos would classify an area as a reshus hayachid notwithstanding the fact that there is a rabbim traversing therein.
It would not be in keeping with the tone we are trying to maintain however.
YW Moderator-80 – Thank You. I do know how, and I should have done so previously.
jphone – I would love to hear what Rav Dovid shlita would say to some of my arguments. I would like to hear precise rebuttals, not just a general wave of the hand.
I apologize to all the readers for not spending more time on making my posts more readable. Is it possible to edit an existing post or do I need to repost everything?
I can only try:
2) Where the Belt abuts the water the seawalls are clearly above ground (otherwise there would be flooding).
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Has already been discussed in comment 24-26.
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Has already been discussed in comment 15.
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[that Rav Moshe agrees that there is almost no true reshus harabbim today] [using a cane on Shabbos]
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[Regarding the Manhattan eruv, Rav Moshe agreed that the rabbanan can do as they please (Igros Moshe, O.C. 4:89 and HaPardes, 33rd year, vol. 9) but then signed on the 1962 takanah against an eruv. However, Rav Moshe stated (Igros Moshe, O.C. 4:86 and Addendum to O.C. 4:89) that he had signed against the Manhattan eruv because Rav Aharon Kotler zt”l and other members of the Agudas HaRabbonim had enacted a takanah against establishing an eruv in Manhattan.]
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“I am unaware of the circumstances which surrounded the eruv in Paris. But the information provided herein proves, ostensibly, that the authors of this work are not better informed. No meaningful point can be extrapolated from this case until all its specifics are revealed.”
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” is inaccurate.”
Rav Hirsch is incorrect (see above).
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” is inaccurate.”
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” is inaccurate.”
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Rav Hirsch is conflating mikorah [roofed] with mefulash [open] [However, according to Rav Moshe, a roofed area does not divide the tally of shishim ribo into separate parts of less than shishim ribo (ibid., 5:28:20).]
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[600,000 people traversing]
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Rav Hirsch writes in his introduction (page 1-2):
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I can only try – There are mechitzos encompassing Brooklyn on three sides at its waterfront. These include, gates, seawalls and the Belt Parkway.
So we are to believe a kol korei over a teshuvah? Rav Moshe clearly mentioned to the rabbanim of Flatbush that his chiddush is contrary to the Achronim and that he really did not want to mix into the matter. Now you want us to believe that all of a sudden Rav Moshe would sign a kol korei that states that there is no halalchic basis to establish an eruv? Please, we all know that Rav Moshe would not sign on a akol korei containing such language.
[Actually, Brooklyn has the added benefit that since our mechitzos are at the waterfront, even Rav Aharon would admit that they are sufficient since there is no rabbim traversing them.]
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I am not accusing you in particular of making uneducated comments. My point was that this thread and many others like it contain comments that have nothing to do with the facts.
Rav Moshe was under the impression that Brooklyn is not encompassed by mechitzos.
Oh, by the way Rav Moshe never issues a bsak din opposing an eruv.
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Anyway the metzius is different: 1) Brooklyn does not contain a population of 3 million. 2) Brooklyn is encompassed by mechitzos. Consequentially, even Rav Moshe would allow an eruv in Brooklyn.
You are missing the point. According to Rav Moshe we only tally a twelve mil by twelve mil area. You are including a much greater region. As a matter of fact Brooklyn itself is larger than twelve mil by twelve mil, and as such its total population should not be included in the tally.
Actually, the census does include illegals in their count. Feif is incorrect, Rav Moshe requires a daily shishim ribo as mentioned in the Shulchan Aruch. Rav Moshe maintains that with a population of less than shishim ribo the area is not classified as a reshus harabbim.
No one says Rav Moshe was wrong only that he had chiddushim in eruvin. As a matter of fact Rav Moshe admits that his chiddushim in eruvin were not accepted by the poskim. Rav Shachter allows eruvin in large cities because he follows the Chazon Ish. It is obvious that your story hut nist kein hent un feis.
Rav Moshe did not do research he simply derived this chiddush from the diglei hamidbar. Actualy Rav Moshe admits that we follow the Shulchan Aruch and the requirement of shishim ribo is daily. Rav Moshe does not say if it is less it is still a reshus harabbim only that people would think that it is a reshus harabbim. Anyway, Coney Island is separated from Brooklyn by mechitzos.
If you mail a letter to Queens, you don’t write “Queens, NY”. You write Kew Garden Hills, or Flushing, etc.
Prove it.
Because it is less questionable than many other issues then you realize.
There is no such halachah.