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gbale3, I agree. This is why.
Isn’t Macallan 30 Sherry Cask?
I agree with Moderator-42. This is the Yeshiva World and Kosher be it. I never joined a chat room other than the Coffee Room. I’m here because I know that it isn’t simply a chat room. There are no links to undesirable sites, no private messages option, no Lashon Hora and no personal attacks. I also believe that without moderation the coffee room would sometimes look like a Kindergarten.
However, I have one suggestion: When the Mods edit/delete a post, they should specify the issue. Whether it should be seen on his dashboard/profile or email inbox, doesn’t matter. I know that it sometimes leaves you thinking why? I recently posted my opinion about the bodyscans, it had no offensive material (maybe I used some strong language – as I sometimes do, but nothing offensive and of course no foul language) and I got a message like this: DELETED BY MODERATOR . I’m still wondering why. I believe that a message or notice will notify the member what the issue is and he will be able to correct it. It will also give us the feeling of the standard the moderators want and will eventually make the moderators’ job easier.
They see the IP address that you post from. If two handles constantly post from one address then it’s most likely the same fellow posting. Although it can also be a family member or a public computer (business, library, etc.).
Oh… I was waiting for it to come. It was a timebomb waiting to explode. I long wanted to clarify this issue here in the Coffee Room; it’s just impossible to have a proper Halachic conversation (on this matter) here in the coffee room.
Believe me. You don’t want me to start listing everything I’d wish to undo (good and bad), there’s no room. Do you really want me to fill these pages till capacity?
I’m not seeking to incriminate this couple, I just want to highlight some of the many questions Rabbi Hoffman has left unanswered (or made). People out there believe a judge (that had the evidence in front of her and presented it to the camera) more than just another investigative journalist or Rabbi that disputes her claims (without showing us his proof). We are an Am Hanivchar and we should look to protect our image not tarnish it. We ought to give decent and adequate explanation if we seek to defend a Chillul Hashem.
Rabbi Hoffman made a silly and sloppy attempt to cover up the Chillul Hashem thus making it worse.
First and foremost, why didn’t Heidi (heidihud123) use this version on her attempt to defend herself on YouTube?
Why didn’t the couple say this story when the judge demanded an explanation as well as the reporter in the hallway, as many others do? Why would they use she is in France if they have a better defense? And to those claiming that you’re not allowed to question the judge on the program: Accusing the judge for being a liar, is permitted?
Why, when asked, didn’t Heidi say that the wig she was wearing was a replacement (as every innocent, Masiach Lefi Tumo, would say)?
If the judge used the receipt to call the company, why and how did she call the other company? And what company has no one in the office (with a computer and data) during business hours? Forwarded to a cellphone? Stinks!
If she did indeed have all information (presumably in her cellphone) why didn’t she have info on the other wig while having info on a prior purchase of $3,000 (and details such as the wig length)?
Why did they claim that the girl only spoke Spanish (why should a cleaners be hysterical when calling a customer)?
Why did their story about running down to the store contradict (and who doesn’t run down instantly when 3K is at stake)?
Why did Heidi try to indicate that the wig on her head (long one) is 5K while the damaged one was three?
Why didn’t they provide a second receipt that proves a purchase of a replacement wig (because that’s what you do at a lawsuit)?
Sent all her wigs to Israel, yeah right. Where’s her ‘special occasion’ wig?
Last but not least, if their loss was only $1,500, why were they suing for 3K?
Rabbi Hoffman, nice try but I Dont buy it, and no apologies.
For once I actually agree with Dr. Hall; however, I am suspicious of his refutation. Mr. Gestetner seems like an arrogant and incompetent individual who needs to do some homework before he blows his horn. His comment about the heroes of the holocaust underlined his inept understanding of history and facts. Where in Jewish history (out of Israel) do we see an uprising in the levels of the Warsaw Ghetto? Additionally, it is documented everywhere. One must be blind, literally, to miss it.
I believe that Mr. Gestetner’s comments were offending to me and many in the Jewish community and he needs to apologize. I wouldn’t bother with every individual making an offensive comment, but being that he has a following in the Hasidic community with an influence on those without means to news other that the phone hotlines and newspapers he contributes to, I am bothered by it. I understand that Mr. Gestetner wants an Al Sharpton in our midst, but we say: thanks but no thanks!
As to Charlie, I really question your sincerity here. I wonder if it was a liberal, how you would react.
Even if someone called Georgie and confirmed it (which I don’t believe – every company places a label) with them, the story stinks. A mid-range Georgie doesn’t cost 3K. It’s nearly impossible that this chic woman should only have one wig ten years after her marriage (and look at how she stumbles). They forgot (or had slightly different accounts) what had happened after the phone call with the cleaners (she said they ran down there). They lied about her language abilities (she spoke English quite well and why in the world would she speak Spanish?). They brought a false receipt (Georgie’s can’t answer the date question if she bought two wigs at their place – look at her response and see it for yourself). They made absolutely no attempt to answer her charge neither for the judge nor for the interviewer, and, yes, appearance and facial expressions speaks volumes!
We should denounce this couple for using the facade of Orthodox-Jews and tarnishing our image. There’s no reason to defend them. They ruined it for us. We lost our credibility for some time now. If they want to defend themselves, let them come out in the open with a sensible explanation or apology.
Professor Hall,
You can ask James Crowley. He was, at least, more innocent and definitely more humiliated.
Well, if you want anything else then we would have to make a beer summit…
I really tried being Dan Lekaf Zchus but it’s nearly impossible.
While I do agree with the couple that it was a misunderstanding (I won’t accuse them of making this whole thing up), I agree with the defendants that the girl speaks a comprehensible english. Thus, making the language barrier an issue is disgusting and horrible. When a wig of 3K is at stake you don’t rely on sign language.
Additionally, did you realize how the woman suggests that they immediately ran over (as the judge wanted to know) while the husband sort of cut her off and contradicted her tale?
Notice how she only has one good wig (which she was wearing at the time) and a fall (which wasn’t in question), yet had another one that was washed. You can say that her confusion and stuttering came from appearing on national TV or appearing before a judge, but it doesn’t seem likely for someone that agreed to appear on the show.
It seems quite interesting and weird for the woman to make a claim that a mid-range wig costs $3,000 (as she muttered under her breath without confidence). While it’s true that a non-Jewish judge won’t know that much about wigs but it can be easily verified.
I highly doubt that a long wig washed in a washing machine (not dry cleaners) would shrink, it might tangle but not become short, especially when the net doesn’t appear to have shrunk.
I am horrified at their claim that Georgie was in France at that time. Regardless of how they had that information, Georgie is a company and its employees might very well know the inventory, sales history and products better than its respective owners.
For some reason, the facial expressions all along gave me the instinct that the couple was lying while the Hispanic girl was saying the truth. While the latter had a face of sincerity and a story that made sense, the plaintiff’s story had many flaws. I had the feeling all along that the couple was lying (and I believe that the judge felt the same) but I didn’t know it was that bad.
I will give them the benefit of doubt that there was some sort of misunderstanding originally (my guess is that she didn’t realize the wig was missing till much later. She, therefore, misunderstood that woman and told her to wash it. After she discovered she attempted to retrieve it only to learn that it was too late). The cleaners still had no business washing the wig. The couple realized that they don’t have the receipt so they replaced it with another one (that was purchased at Georgie’s in May for 3K. They figured that it wouldn’t be bad to get more than the original cost of the wig. However,a this is perjury and on national TV!
BOTTOM LINE: It’s utterly embarrassing and humiliating. This couple caused a huge Chillul Hashem and tainted us on national TV! There’s no reason to defend them. They are the rotten apples from within us. Shame on Mendy and Heidi! As to their last name, for many watching the show it was Orthodox-Jew.
Charlie, I apologize if there’s something to apologize for.
Wolf,
He constantly referred to the fire therefore I didn’t link to only one post. Additionally, he kept blaming the fire on conservative policies in the US, not Israel, with no explanation of the connection, while invoking Jabotinsky. It gave me enough reason to interpret his claim as a punishment.
Charlie Hall claims that we are to blame for being too supportive of the Republican Party and the conservatives. He suggests that it’s a punishment for not heeding the calls of Ze’ev Jabotinsky to demand that the government supply free food, housing, clothing, healthcare and schooling. After all, claims Dr. Hall, it’s Halacha.
Charlie, there’s no reason to wait another year and to predict what you call hypocrisy. Look back at the 2008 elections when the most inexperienced person in modern history, a person with absolutely no executive experience (unlike Woodrow Wilson) and hardly any elective experience was nominated for president on the Democratic ticket. Those hypocrites criticized the Republicans for choosing an effective governor with the highest approval ratings in the nation as their veep. Oh, I forgot. Obama did have executive experience – his campaign.
However, it isn’t only his inexperience, it’s his views and values. Remember! His approval ratings tanked long after his policies were denounced by the public. He forgot that a president can’t vote present.
I predict, however, that many Republicans will take her inexperience into account. You’re going to hear those claims time and again at the primaries if she decides to run.
I believe that some of you might enjoy reading this thread. I say: Elections have consequences!
My previous post was obviously a mistake. Mods if you can please move it to where it belongs (when an infant is niftar r”l), I’d appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
The premier issue was just a pre-issue. They stated explicitly that the first issue will be Dec. 15.
WIY, I can compile much more words of comfort from Chazal and Seforim. Indeed, being Menachem Avel isn’t just mumbling Hamakom Yenachem…, as Reb Moshe and many others say, you must actually console them with words. However, my suggestion is: don’t play psychiatrist. Don’t try to explain things the way you see it, they might be bothered or hurt because they looked at it from a different angle. I personally witnessed Chai Support and Misaskim and they’re really amazing. It doesn’t pay to try and experiment if you can make things worse.
I don’t think there’s a way in the world someone can console a parent who lost a child with just words. Showing Gemaras and saying how he must’ve had a Heilige Neshama etc. usually makes things worse. I would suggest to leave it up to the professionals at Misaskim and Chai Lifeline to do the job right. If you feel someone needs an extra boost of Chizuk or additional support contact them, I’m sure they’ll be more than glad to help you.
I am long wondering why YWN doesn’t have a Music News section. I would really appreciate getting the scoops on upcoming albums and concerts, news about album releases an album/concert reviews. YWN already had videos from concerts in the past, they also have the radio, now is the time for a news section. Get someone that loves music, one that has a keen ear and understanding to musical notes etc., and let him share his tidbits with us. I’m sure producers will agree to release First Report scoops and jingles to a website seen by thousands.
ConcernedMember, perhaps you can enlighten me. I’m still trying to figure out where I come into the picture together with Joseph, Helpful and Brisker?
Can anyone explain to me why this thread is important? What good will generate from this? Let everyone do what he feels is right (according to his Da’as Torah, of course) and everything will be just fine.
I picked one up in Pomegranate and I’ve been seeing ads on websites.
I also saw ads on a website – the YWN Coffee Room.
If you realized, the promoters of this new magazine (on this thread) joined the Coffee Room for this thread… We might be stupid but not blind… Let’s keep the CR for honest conversations not manipulating ones!
I don’t smoke and never smoked. However, I believe that taxes etc. is not the solution. It is just more bureaucracy and government in people’s lives. Mature people should be able to choose on their own what’s wrong and what is right. We can try to persuade them to do what is best but not force them. More taxes would create a bigger black market and smokers won’t stop. It is an addiction, period. The government can use methods such as graphic images and rehabilitation centers to rid them from their addiction voluntarily. I believe that graphical warnings would stop some people from smoking excessively as it reminds them every time of the danger. Reb Elya Desler ZT”L has a great explanation about the mind of a smoker when he takes a cigarette; it is basically that he forgets the danger at the time of the urge.
My wife says she tried all of the common American wigs but wasn’t satisfied. She recently got a wig from Israel (upon recommendation of a friend) and is elated. I thinks it’s called Miri Kapelovitch (or something like that). They claim that it is the top brand in Israel. My wife had a friend bring it in from Israel.
HaLeivi, I, actually, admire many democrats and have been influenced by many of them. I don’t consider the fact that a person can express his opinion and vote that way, a sin. However, I do consider someone that hates others’ opinions for unfound reasons, a sinner; liberals tend to do just that. Someone compiled a nice and creative list that highlights the differences between the ‘Am Hanivchar’ and the ‘Pere Adam’. Obviously, some of us didn’t like that idea. But to demand that he be shut up? That is liberalism!
Charlie, if you are ever to receive a nobel prize, would you want to be on the Jewish list or Muslim list? Your posts suggest the latter…
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Finally. The time has come for us to discuss this form of Gezel on YWN. This phenomenon has been going on ever since and to my dismay has been largely ignored. I am deeply hurt about a story I had with one making claims about an “illegal driveway.”
It was about two years ago when I wanted to unload something from my car into my garage when I saw a car parked in front of my driveway. The heavy piece of furniture was to be stored in the garage at the very end of my driveway. I had planned to back my car into the driveway and easily hoist it from my car into the garage. Obviously, the luxury my driveway presented to the fellow with no ethics, got me to change my plans. I had to park at a pump down the block (as, it was the closest I could find) and carry the heavy piece down to my house and down the entire driveway. As me and my sons completed the task, that fellow (visitor) came out of a neighboring house with a luxury he afforded himself by ‘stealing’ my driveway. When one of my sons mentioned to him that he had parked in front of a private driveway, he flared up and threatened my son that he will call 311 and complain about the driveway, which he claimed was illegal. After my teenager came to repeat his ‘threat’, I went out to the fellow and told him that we can settle for a deal. You call 311 and I call 911. My home was built more than a century ago on a block that has a driveway near almost every home, I wasn’t concerned of any Mesira. What bothered me was the way people can justify their evil acts (yes, it is one) by maintaining presumptions. Claiming an “illegal driveway” is offending to one that maintains the law, only if you know for a fact that the curb was made without a permit can you charge that charge.
The OP mentioned Misaskim. Let’s put the Gezel of parking in front of a private garage aside. I’m appalled at those people who freely park in front of a garage that explicitly state that it has Life-saving equipment stored therein. Can you imagine if something would happen to your loved one but his life would be lost because someone is blocking Misaskim’s driveway? Would any of those people running into the Cafe to have a coffee or work/daven nearby decide to park a block down, in front of Hatzolah, at their convenience? Every time I pass that garage, I cringe.
Ludwigvanquixote, I thought you were trying to defend the liberals, dancing around in circles? Did the Rosh, Rashba, Ritva, Rambam and Shita also dance in circles?
Talking about arrogant?!
I will not reply to this thread any longer as it is included in DA MA LeHashiv… This intruder is an outright Apikoras beating around the bush and lecturing us about the core beliefs of Yiddishkeit. Get a life, sir!
I am that orthodox Jew (and now I am assured from your previous post that you aren’t) and I want answers. Answers to my original post (that includes a quote from the same very Rambam you mentioned) and answers to my response. And what about my dreams (actually, nightmares) about the Democrats painting Eric Cantor as Hitler? And stop with those quotes about orphans and widows as well as stumble blocks. The Torah has more initiatives than just for them, we have charity. But, charity is by choice. Furthermore, Chazal initiated a 10% equal tax, similar to the tax the Torah demanded to give the Leviim, to support the needy. This is a fair tax to all. Sounds like the plan some ‘radical’ Tea Partiers have in mind.
Ludwigvanquixote, I may have been dreaming but a picture is worth more than a thousand words.
Here: http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rallyhitler.jpg
Want More?
Here: http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2010/10/03/nazi-sign-spotted-at-one-nation-protest/
Spinning the Torah into your radical agenda: do you have any answers to those that didn’t spin? The Rishonim (Rosh, Rashba, Rambam, Ritva and Shita) mentioned here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/jews-ought-to-vote-republican-the-torah-supports-conservatism ???
Bribery: Do you know those that lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Did you ever bump into Charlie Rangel?
Equal: Yes! All people should have equal rights! No Reparations! No Progressive Taxing!
And… Did you ever hear of the term ‘Am Hanivchar’?
Race Card: Who demonized the GOP women running in this election. Who played the Sex Card against them?
Evil Eye: Yes. Those that have an evil eye to those that are more successful (aka Democrats).
All People To Heaven: Did you learn the Mishne (in Sanhedrin) that precedes the saying of Pirkei Avos: Kol Yisroel Yesh Lahem Chelek…
…freedom of choice is granted: Couldn’t spin this one, huh???
…account-book lies open, the hand writes, and all who wish to borrow may come and borrow: Why didn’t you spin this into the Frank-Dodd-Clinton Law that led to the Housing Crises?
…scorn any man, and do not discount any thing. For there is no man who has not his hour, and no thing that has not its place: Ma Inyan Shmitta Etzel Har Sinai???
He also saw a skull floating upon the water. Said he to it: Because you drowned others, you were drowned; and those who drowned you, will themselves be drowned. Doesn’t this remind you of the 2000’s when the Dems worked against Bush on every measure, from ‘stealing the votes from Gore’ to the Iraq War on to the Bush’s car into the ditch? Now is payback time!
If you eat of toil of your hands, fortunate are you, and good is to you: Did you read this before to copied & pasted? How does this fit with Socialism?
GOP attempts to gut public education: I would feel good. This would be the choice you mentioned before but omitted your spin…
This does not just mean bringing moshiach… I would just name you an Apikores! Pollution? How about… V’Haaretz Nasan Livnei Adam… it is for our dispense. Hashem can take care of the rest.
Pray for the integrity of the government; for were it not for the fear of its authority, a man would swallow his neighbor alive: Does that mean Social Medicine, Government Motors etc.? How does Free Enterprise and Capitalism make a man swallow his neighbor? Well, in communist Russia they did just that. We might need the Government for Police dept., Law and Order and Military, all which the Democrats defund and GOP pushes…
Deregulation means taking away the government that caused the cheats of all those things you mentioned. Additionally, half of the sponsors to these bills (e.g. Sarbanes-“Oxley” Act).
righteous one is benevolent and gives: If one is forced to give charity how do we get to choose being an evil heart? If charity is by choice (as the Torah suggests) you can choose. The Mishne says you shall choose good and be benevolent (note: not forced) and give.
Which is the right path for man to choose for himself? Whatever is harmonious for the one who does it, and harmonious for mankind: I see those that give charity while protecting others as harmonious to mankind while protecting his fortune as harmonious to himself.
divided and lukewarm in their support of Israel: It isn’t lukewarm support, it is strongly against!
It is to my mind that the Dems are tsdikkim, each and every one compared to the GOP: Hey! not one Republican signed this letter (http://middleeast.about.com/od/usmideastpolicy/qt/congressional-letter-gaza-siege.htm) 54 Dems did!
And do you include: Cynthia Ann McKinney, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Charles Barron and many others that find/found an enclave within the Democratic Party?
Torah does not equal liberal socialism: The Torah DOES! The Torah is an higher authority that understands that socialism isn’t equal! Shame on you for such words!
Tebags: Mentioning this word tells me how extreme you are and how far you take YOUR views!
ignoring the strident calls of the Torah: Did you see the post entailing on what justice means according to OUR Torah. And our Torah needs commentaries. I stated everything before and here it is again: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/jews-ought-to-vote-republican-the-torah-supports-conservatism
As to support of homosexuality. I have yet to see on Democrat run on a “be gay that’s a great idea” platform: I haven’t seen one that isn’t. Isn’t Barney Frank enough for you?
And while you are correct in having some Tea Partyers mentioning Nazi’s or sayings, it is because they are regular people and not polished politicians that can disguise it. Yet, Eric Cantor refuted that individual, and, if you live in that district you can vote for his opponent. But they shouldn’t all get that title (Do you say that about orthodox-Jewish Joel Pollack too?).
Bottom Line: You’re a spinner that will do anything and everything to demonize the Republicans and claim the Democrats as the best. you will take money from others but never share anything. And let me tell you this: your post here was one big stumble block that you so-much felt comfortable with. If you are Jewish you are a modern day Maskil. Someone might suggest that voting for a Democrat isn”t against the Torah or claim that the earmarks and goodies overrule everything, but to spin the Torah like this is nothing but clear cut Apikorsus.
Number 3: Not to mention that most of the Tea Partiers are people that have a hard time paying their mortgages and bills and live off a day-to-day budget. If you are talking about the the needy, they are Tea Partiers. They don’t want career politicians making a living off them. If you like that way of living, speak to someone that survived Russian communism.
