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charliehall: “I will not dignify this insulting question with a response other than to point out that The Rav’s wife and one of his daughters both held positions of communal leadership at the Maimonides School.”
I will tell you that “other than to point out that The Rav’s wife and one of his daughters both held positions of communal leadership at the Maimonides School” is a response. Why can’t you answer the question? Would the Rov approve of such an institution? Of course not.
Why can’t a Jewish business owner collect tzedaka for his store? If someone owns a shoe store (such as me) I can go around collecting tzedaka in order to keep my store from going under and falling into poverty. In fact, it would be the highest form of tzedaka for someone to lend or give me.
No one is forcing you to participate in these Chinese Auctions, raffles and tzedaka.
Daniel Rosen: “Lo tilbash is not wearing clothing of the opposite gender because of arayos”.
Sam2: “Pashtus is that Lo Silbash has nothing to do with Arayos.”
Sam2 is wrong. Let’s just end it there please. You made a mistake. That is fine. Let’s just move on. You spend all your time here challenging people instead of listening to people.
He can’t spread lashon hara via video. But I don’t think it is assur for someone to record something if he is there in the room with the camera itself. The camera is an extension of his eyes. If he were to record while other people had thought he left the room, that is a big problem.
“Simchas Purim be Mattir an Issur D’Oraisa?”
Because its derech tzchok.
Swallowing a capsule is considered shelo k’derech achila and may be taken by a sick person even if he is not in danger. One who has a maychush or who is in good health should consult a Rav before taking a gelatin capsule.
A posek once told me I could take it with a tissue. I didn’t because I thought that might not be so healthy, to swallow a tissue.
Sam2: “The Sod Hadavar might be related to Arayos, but for Halachic purposes it really isn’t.”
That is not true Sam. That’s why lehalacha on Purim it is mutar for a man to wear woman’s clothes. It is obvious that he is not really a woman.
Rabbi Hershel Schachter does not pick and choose. You do. You publicly support an institution named yeshivat maharat that not one gadol would ever support. yeshiva maharat is no better than conservative judaism. So at least admit what side you are on before quoting gedolim.
yitayningwut: “and I honestly do not see a basis to prohibit pants for women in a society in which it is the norm.”
That is exactly my point. The only issue is arayos. If the woman is obviously a female (i.e. in a society that would recognize her as such because females wear pants) there is no issue even though she is a feminist and wants to be just like a man. As long as she is recognizable as a female there is no lo tilbash issue. There is perhaps daas yehudis issue. But to confuse the two shows a lack of understanding.
Sam2: What is basic pashtus? Is that superfluous?
Oy vey Sam2, the person who says lo silbash has nothing to do with arayos. I am sorry but I cannot get into debates with specifically you due your a fundamental lack of understanding of halacha. I am not alone with this on YN. I am not trying to cause machloches. Please lets go our seperate ways.
Sam2: “Pashtus is that Lo Silbash has nothing to do with Arayos.”
That tells me you have no fundamental understanding of halacha. I am sure you have the potential to be a talmid chacham, but for now I do not want to get into long debaates with you again. Your above statement just confirmed you have a long way to go before you are ready to start having these debates.
And who gets to determine what constitutes “wanting to be like a man”
I don’t know, that’s my point, it has nothing to do with lo tilbash.
charliehall: you do not respect Rav Soloveitchik who says a women cannot be a president of a shule. So kindly do not bring up poskim that you pick and choose to follow to spread your conservative Judaism agenda.
You guys are mixing up two different issues. Lo tilbash is not wearing clothing of the opposite gender because of arayos, it has nothing to do with a women not understanding the special role of a woman and wanting to be like a man.
Lo tilbash there is no issue with women wearing pants. It’s an issue of daas yehudis. I personally heard this from a posek.
I said The Rov held that a women cannot be a president of a shule. Now, since the ultra left modern “orthodox” are the ones espousing such views that so blatantly conflict with the Mesorah and are the same ones that hold by Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik, they are all the more foolish. No one with true yiras shamayim would even suggest such an idea.
charliehall: Don’t you repect Rov Soloveitchiks decision not to allow women to hold roles of communal leadership?
“everyone must give tzadaka….You are right that you 147 cannot say he must give masser, but he must give something.”
Why? If you only have enough for your most basic needs and are living off tzedaka from your parents you are patur from maaser and tzedaka. You must take care of yourself before others. The question of the OP was not even about tzedaka but about maaser.
“They have gained their renown the way Jews – men and women – have through the centuries, not by chasing after titles and honors, but by serving Hashem, seeing needs within the Jewish community, and addressing them through writing, learning, and teaching.” +1
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“Well, I want to be a doctor, so let’s say, hypothetically, that I know everything I need to know to set up shop, but since I didn’t go to med school, I can’t get my MD- even without the title, even though I can practice medicine as well as any doctor, I’m obviously limited in what I can do with my knowledge, as nobody wants to be healed by someone who’s not an MD. “
But unlike a doctor, you do not need a degree to practice Torah learning and teaching. So if people will not listen to you it is there fault not yours. Smicha or not, you cannot psak halacha. You need a posek for that, and the Chafetz Chaim never had smicha until the end of his life when he needed it to travel.
the voice of reason: Thank you for saying you think I am closer to being right but why do you think I am wrong as well?
147 is completely wrong and ignorant of halacha.
No, if you only have enough money for your basic needs you do not give maaser. You are patur. If your parents are giving you money for a specific purpose it is assur to give the money to tzedaka. You must use the money for what your parents gave it to you for.
I am specifically referring to giving women “smicha” and calling them Rabbis. True, smicha today is not halachic smicha anyway but allowing women to do bedika and calling them Rabbis and having them poskin shailos or be presidents of shules is completely different.
This thread was titled “Why Can’t Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis?”
If you want to talk about a specific different issue, why not have it on another thread. I am addressing the question of the OP.
charliehall: Of course we do not need them. It is kefira. What have we done for the past 1000 years.
The mitzvah of tzedaka iss a very important mitzvah. However, if you do not have money left over after your basic needs you are patur. There is no mitzvah of giving tzedaka in such a situation if it is going to cause severe stress, shalom bayis issues or if you have loans you need to pay back and just don’t.
Avi K: “1. Rav Moshe does not call them kofrim (actually it would be kofrot). He says that certain beliefs are kefira.
2. He also says that a woamn may be president of a synagogue board and, in fact, an observant woman is preferable to a non-observant man.”
So the beliefs are kefira but the people espousing them (including many men) are not kofrim? That is ridiculous.
I said The Rov held that a women cannot be a president of a shule. Now, since the ultra left modern “orthodox” are the ones espousing such views that so blatantly conflict with the Mesorah and are the same ones that hold by Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik, they are all the more foolish. No one with true yiras shamayim would even suggest such an idea.
Yes there is Rav Soloveitchik even has a tshuva saying a woman cannot be a president of a shule mishum serara.
I thought it did not go through which is why I repeated it but took out the bottom part because I thought it was censored. You guys have to figure about a better way to communicate with users in a non-public forum. It looks very amateurish.
if you can still see it in yellow/with a yellow bar it has not been deleted. and this is our established method of communication, so deal with it.
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Rav Moshe has a teshuva calling these feminists kofrim. This whole thread is based on kefira. Unbelievable how we are even having this conversation. Look at the entire period of Jewish history since the Rishonim and even earlier. Women have NEVER been Rabbis. This is truly unbelievable. Anyone with true yiras shamayim would know better than to even think this. You know I am speaking the truth. Real talmedei chachamim have more important things to do than come on this website and argue with anonymous posters like you.
I can’t believe the mods are even allowing this topic through. It’s pashut that women cannot be Rabbis.
Benignuman: even if the only people in the world were orthodox jews, nothing would change its intrinsic to proper society roles.
The coffee room always talks about things non exclusive to Jews.
It is foolish and iresponsible to give 15 percent to tzedaka when you make only $3500 a year and have a family or a wife. If you only have enough money for your most basic of needs you support yourself and your family and don’t give tzedaka. We don’t get olam haba by being an am haaretz.
It is the people who used to be reformed or conservative Jews and are now modern orthodox that join kiddish clubs for the most part.