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DaMosheParticipant
Joe, you ignored my last point – what about paying tuition?
I also wonder how many Rabbonim today would actually encourage people to live on pas b’melach. What about for Shabbos, when you must have wine or grape juice for Kiddush, and meat for your seudos? Do you ignore that as well?
Joe, you just pick the things you want, that seem to fit your point, and abuse them. You have no modern Rabbinic backing for this.
Now, in my case, I discussed going to college with R’ Bender before I left Darchei. He felt that I should go to college, and encouraged me in it. I have no regrets at all about having attended college.DaMosheParticipantAaq the numbers I quoted are by generation. Look where I said “young male population”. I don’t recall the exact age range they used, but it was people somewhere in their 20s.
Nowadays, it’s only rare cases where a family can make ends meet with only one spouse working, when you have children. Tuition alone can cost more than one parent earns!
If you have to rely on scholarships, then you should be working more hours so that you take as little charity as possible.DaMosheParticipantJoe: Incorrect. You can find the statistics with a simple Google search – I assume mods won’t let me post a link here.
In 1964, 16% of the young male population completed a degree from college. In 2010, that had gone up to 28%. You’re correct that for women that was much higher – it rose from 9% to 36%. But I don’t think that makes a difference to your point. The main issue is competing in the job market. In the 1960s, most women were homemakers, and didn’t contribute to the finances. Men didn’t have to compete with them for jobs. Today, you do have to compete with them. It’s the overall number of people in the market that matters, not what gender they are.DaMosheParticipantSechel, the Mishna in Sanhedrin disagrees with you. It lists the people who don’t get a portion in Olam Habah.
DaMosheParticipantThere is a big difference between perceived yichus and just knowing where you came from.
I don’t come from anyone who was a well-known Rav. But I know that my grandparents were amazing people. They were Holocaust survivors who kept their emunah and bitachon. They came to America and built a family of frum, ehrlich people. I wish I’d have a quarter of the faith that they had. To me, that is good yichus.
My Rebbe, R’ Bender, held my grandmother in such high esteem. He still sometimes speaks to me about her, and how amazing she was. I have pictures of him at some of my family’s simchas, where he made sure to go to the women’s side to wish her a Mazal tov. He’d sit at her table just to speak with her for a few minutes.
That’s yichus that is worth something.DaMosheParticipantsaychel, Ramapo was anything but a Kiddush Hashem.
There was the sale of the public school building to a yeshiva (or was it a Beis Yaakov?), which was blocked by a state court. The school had originaly appraised at almost $6 million, but the Jewish-run board of education got another appraisal for just over $3 million. The appraiser was later charged with a felony of accepting a bribe to supply a false appraisal, paid for by the Jewish school. The sale later was completed for $6.6 million.
There were charges filed against the Jewish school for buying religious books/seforim using public funds, which is illegal.
On August 31, 2011, New York State Office of the Comptroller released an audit of the Board, for the period July 1, 2008 to April 13, 2010. The report criticizes the district for a number of serious lapses including failing to put $2.4 million in professional services contracts out to bid, allowing three senior school board members to receive health care through the school district’s insurance pool after they failed to make $15,672 in payments, and failing to maintain proper inventory controls over $2.4 million in textbooks purchased for students not attending public schools, as required under state law. Most unsettling, the audit found that District officials inaccurately projected a June 30, 2010 fund balance of $13 million when preparing District’s 2010-11 austerity budget that was presented to the electorate and on which cutbacks and layoffs were based. In fact, the District’s audited financial statement showed a June 30, 2010, fund balance of $17,793,047, substantially higher than public estimates. The report states: “The board, along with district officials, failed to fulfill its stewardship, oversight and leadership responsibilities when it failed to establish a proper control environment, implement its own adopted policy and establish policies and procedures required by sound business practices.” The report concludes. “The deficiencies exposed district funds and assets to abuse, waste and/or loss.” The local paper headline was “East Ramapo bungled millions,” and in a scathing editorial, the paper called for a thorough investigation of the board.DaMosheParticipantJoe, there is a big difference between being embarrassed to be a Jew, and treating non-Jewish neighbors nicely.
There are plenty of issues with communities that have huge Jewish populations. The OP is right, that as the Jewish population grows larger, non-Jews are often squeezed out, because their quality of life declines.
There are towns with large Jewish populations that have signs up telling people how to dress. In a public street, you have no right to do that! (Assuming, of course, that the person doesn’t fall into the legal definition of public indecency.) If you’re a non-Jew, who has lived in a neighborhood for most of your life, would you suddenly want people telling you that the way you dress is not ok? How about if someone is hosting their family for a BBQ on a Saturday afternoon, and they’re playing music in the yard? In a place like Boro Park, do you think that would just be allowed to happen? Or would someone go over and ask them to stop playing that kind of music?
Then you can get into the issues of the public schools in smaller towns. Look at what happened in Ramapo – a huge Chillul Hashem!
Joe, you love to talk about the Shalosh Shavuos when it comes to Israel. Don’t forget the second one, not to provoke the other nations. Even if the Oaths are no longer in effect, it’s never a good idea to antagonize the people around you.December 12, 2023 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm in reply to: Chanukah: A Reminder of the Dystopia that Exists in the Frum Community #2246276DaMosheParticipantI love how there are also health-conscious people who forget what the whole point of all the foods is: to eat things cooked in oil. I hear plenty of people talking about baked or air-fried latkes and/or donuts. Why eat them then? The point is the oil, not the latkes or donuts!
I don’t buy the fancy donuts, I refuse to do that. I got a few of the regular, old, boring ones – they’re still delicious! I got pizza for my kids, and while I usually don’t eat fries too much, I made sure to order some this time, so I had the fried food. For this past Shabbos, I bought the frozen Moroccan cigars, and fried them on Thursday night. We then reheated them for the Shabbos meal. They’re something I almost never buy otherwise.
There are plenty of good options to fulfill the minhag of the fried foods, sometimes even “special” foods, without breaking the bank. Do you usually bake or grill your chicken? Make some fried shnitzel instead! Have some french fries with it too.DaMosheParticipantI second the idea of a GE model with the Shabbos keeper. I have this, and it is fantastic. You don’t have to remember to switch it to Shabbos mode each Friday, it does it on its own. It also adds on extras that some companies aren’t aware of, and may require people to rely on b’dieved situations – this was developed so you could use it l’chatchilah.
DaMosheParticipantn0mesorah, I’d love to see the budget for a family like that. I don’t think it works.
DaMosheParticipantcommon: No, that would be per capita. Household income is exactly what it sounds like, total household income.
Joe, if a talmud chacham is making $43k per year, and has 5 kids, then he’s relying on tzedakah to live. If that’s viewed as a success, then there’s a problem with the Lakewood system.DaMosheParticipantBMG, it’s true, there are people who are successful without going to college. But it is much more difficult, please don’t forget that.
I just looked up average household incomes by town in NJ. Lakewood has an average household income of about $43,000. Teaneck, where most people are college graduates, is $125,000.DaMosheParticipantJoe, according to your post, going to college in order to learn a trade can be a mitzvah (paragraph C). You just need to be sure not to be exposed to apikorsus in the classes you attend, which isn’t difficult.
Indeed, many Rabbonim attended college/university. The Novominsker zt”l attended Brooklyn College. R’ Hutner studied philosophy in University – philosophy being a subject which can contain apikorsus.
R’ Bender has said that his father, R’ Dovid Bender, went to college and actually became a CPA.
Regarding your story about R’ Segal zt”l, I have a relative who wanted to stop attending general studies, and learn the whole day. R’ Segal told him absolutely not, and at minimum you need a high school diploma in order to get a job.At the end of the day, even if someone wants to live at the bare minimum level, working 3 hours per day is not enough to support a family. Not when you have tuitions to pay. For most people, working 8 hours per day isn’t enough to cover tuitions in full if you have more than 3 kids. It’s one thing to ask for a scholarship when you’re working full-time, but how can you ask for help when you don’t want to work a regular job?
Regular is a very vague term
December 4, 2023 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm in reply to: ShopRites are disappearing from predominantly orthodox communities #2244169DaMosheParticipantTeaneck never had a ShopRite, but there are 2 in neighboring towns (one in Englewood and one in Paramus). Teaneck does have a Stop & Shop. All 3 stores have large kosher sections, including meats.
Here are other Jewish neighborhoods in NJ with a ShopRite:
Edison (also serves Highland Park)
Livingston
Elizabeth
Cherry Hill (I believe it’s one town over)
Howell (as mentioned above)I think one of the issues is the type of people who live in each area, and what hechsherim they trust. Yeshivish and MO usually have no issue with the “Big 4” – OU, OK, Kaf-K, and Star-K. Chassidim, on the other hand, usually prefer the heimish hechsherim, and don’t like to rely on the big ones. So in a community like Monsey, which became mostly chassidish over the years, ShopRite can’t provide what people are looking for. In MO communities, or even close to Lakewood, as long as ShopRite carries a selection of Chalav Yisrael products, they can provide for the population there.
November 27, 2023 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm in reply to: Chris Christie – why can’t Jews rally around him? #2242788DaMosheParticipantcoffee: I heard he tried to run but couldn’t make it more than 2 steps.
DaMosheParticipantAddict, I actually spoke with R’ Bender earlier today about the rally. His position was not as clear as you make it. It appears that he didn’t want his feelings publicized (most likely because he doesn’t often get involved in politics), but as I said, you don’t have the full picture.
Common: you are incorrect. Many more people look to R’ Schachter for guidance than you think, and RIETS people definitely listen to him.
DaMosheParticipantJoseph, R’ Schachter is definitely a gadol, and not only did he encourage attendance, he himself attended the rally. As others said, keep your lies to yourself!
DaMosheParticipantHow do you define “out of town”?
I’ve heard great things about the growth of chassidish communities in Union County, NJ. There is Linden and Union, and I’m told that in Hillside, there will be a group starting out soon. I don’t know if they have a kollel, but there are definitely communities that are growing there.
My only issue is that in Linden, I was told that the Modern Orthodox community there is shrinking due to the chassidim.
Chassidim spread quickly. Soon Teaneck will be the last home of Modern Orthodoxy in NJ!November 19, 2023 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm in reply to: Bli Neder no music until all hostages are free #2240794DaMosheParticipantYasher koach! Being nosei b’ol is a huge deal. I posted about it a few weeks ago (https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/nosei-bol-chaveiro), as R’ Bender had spoken about it.
I gave up eating dessert after meals. Small things make all the difference!DaMosheParticipantJoe, there are 13 members on the Moetzes. Not even half of them signed the letter. That’s your case? Laughable.
DaMosheParticipantProbably because the organizations who planned the rally aren’t Orthodox, and the frum orgs didn’t support it until things were already set.
November 13, 2023 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm in reply to: Let us do something together for a Yeshua for Klal Yisroel #2239244DaMosheParticipantAmong other things, I decided to heed the call of R’ Schachter, and am fasting today. I also will be davening the special Yom Kipur Katan Mincha, which I usually do not do. It remains to be seen if there will be a minyan of people who are fasting. If there is, we will lein, and Aneinu, Birchas Kohanim, and Sim Shalom will be recited in chazaras hashatz.
DaMosheParticipantJoe, you are so eager to attack me that you’re just reaching now. I’ve posted many, many times that I 100% oppose Weiss and YCT. Got anything else to show your hatred of a fellow Jew?
DaMosheParticipantJoe, I didn’t call R’ Sorotzkin a sonei, I called YOU a sonei Yisrael. Everyone on this site knows you are the biggest troll here, and that you regularly insult and put down others. You cherry-pick the shitos you want in order to troll as hard as you can. You are the ultimate letz, and yes, you are a sonei Yisrael.
DaMosheParticipantJoseph, you can say whatever you want – I hope you realize that nobody here takes you seriously.
Agudas Yisroel encouraged people to attend, and I assume that there will be Rabbonim attending.
Go crawl back under your bridge, you sonei Yisrael.November 8, 2023 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm in reply to: Does Hashem approve of voting for a democrat #2238086DaMosheParticipantI try to judge politicians on their own merits, and their own views. Unfortunately, nowadays, most politicians can’t think for themselves. They just blindly follow the party line, especially at the Federal level.
So when it comes to elections, I’ll actually look at the history – does the candidate always vote together with the party, or are there times that they disagree? It plays a role in my votes. If both sides always follow the party line, I’ll vote Republican.
In the case that the OP is clearly referring to, Avi Schnall, I highly doubt that he will always be voting together with the Democratic Party stance. If something comes up on abortion, or same-sex marriage, I’m sure he will vote according to Torah values. To me, that is more important than the “Democrat” tag that he ran under.DaMosheParticipantAvira: Or, Satmar is completely wrong, and Israel is NOT preventing the geulah, but rather is a part of it.
DaMosheParticipantMy brother told me that he witnessed R’ Yankel Drillman yelling at some Neturei Karta members once. There had been an Atzeres Tefillah in Manhattan years ago, when there was fighting in Israel, and some NK members were protesting it. One thing R’ Drillman said was, “I daven for you every day – when I say v’Lamalshinim, I’m referring to you!” He also yelled, “DROP DEAD RIGHT NOW!” before walking off.
So yes, I’d say they are malshinim.DaMosheParticipantNeturei Karta are reshoim. No, they do not have a point. You oppose Israel for a halachic reason? Fine, go ahead and oppose it. But how dare they go out and march with those who want to kill us? How can they go to Iran and meet with the leaders there? That is why they are 100% wrong, and are reshoim. Don’t compare them to Satmar – R’ Yoel would never have been friends with the leaders of Iran, or been mechalel Shabbos marching with Palestinian supporters.
DaMosheParticipantA Gaon means someone with an extensive knowledge of many, many different source of Torah. Alternatively, it’s used to mean a genius.
Not everyone is capable of being a Gaon. Being a Gaon isn’t what one should aspire to. Each individual should try to reach their own potential.
That said, with all the sources you listed above, do you think that leads to Gaonus? Artscroll and other learning options are great for some individuals, but it’s rare that it leads to lasting knowledge of the Gemara. One of the mashgichim in Darchei Torah, R’ Geller, once told us that “Artscroll is like a cappuccino. It can give you a temporary boost, but it doesn’t last.” Becoming a Gaon requires ameilus. You usually won’t get that from an Artscroll or Aish Online.
As I said, they can be great for some individuals, but it should be viewed as a step towards a higher level, not as the main way of learning.DaMosheParticipantTo the OP – you are right, it isn’t easy. It’s easy to have emunah and bitachon when things are going well. It’s times like these that show the real faith. Remember, we say “l’hagid baboker chasdechah, ve’emunascha balailos.”
I heard from R’ Shmuel Brazil that if we want to be able to properly celebrate the chasdei Hashem, we need to keep the emunah in the dark times.
Look back at Purim – the story took place over a number of years. When we read the Megillah, we see that the salvation was in place even before the real trouble started. Hashem never abandons us. Even though we can’t see it now, the salvation is already in place for the current situation.DaMosheParticipantsomejew: for your second point, the two items aren’t mutually exclusive. Yes, many Jews went to join the army and fight. This is hishtadlus, as we saw by Yaakov Avinu when Esav was coming towards him.
At the same time, look how many soldiers started taking on observances which they previously didn’t keep! The tzitzis being made to help those soldiers aren’t being made quickly enough – there is a tzitzis shortage in Israel right now! Soldiers want to wear them! Soldiers are asking to put on tefillin. It’s not only the soldiers – there are plenty of people who are doing these things as a zchus for the soldiers. So yes, there are mitzvos being done right now, the zchusim of which should help protect us all.As for whether Mashiach would have come, sorry, I don’t think the Satmar Rebbe knew that. Who are the Gedolim who concurred with him? Nobody knows when Mashiach will come, except for Hashem. It says that when Yaakov Avinu wanted to tell his children about it, Hashem wouldn’t allow it. Do you think the Satmar Rebbe was greater than bnei Yaakov?
DaMosheParticipantThe really frum seminaries won’t take you in given what you describe. So you switched from 3 hours to 6 – they prefer 12. Stockings that are 70? Keep going, as they say, “biz a hundred un tvuntzig!”
Pas Yisrael is a good thing to take on. Chalav Yisrael is only good if you bad-mouth those who don’t keep it, that’s the more important part of the chumrah. After all, you’re not really holier than others if you don’t tell them so!
Not eating gebrokts? You need the extra chumrah, not to drink any water at all at meals where you eat matzah. Except, of course, on the last day, when there is a minimum shiur of 8 glasses per meal, which you must drink while chewing on the matzah. Some are extra machmir to drink all 8 glasses within the short zman of 60 seconds.
Please try keeping those chumros, and then the more serious seminaries will give you a shot.DaMosheParticipantNow we can look forward to having this bumped every year at Parshas Bereishis.
DaMosheParticipantcommon, is there a reason you copied and pasted another of my posts as a response here?
October 10, 2023 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm in reply to: The final word on Moshiach from the meisim (hopefully!) #2230543DaMosheParticipantNobody is hating Chabadniks. We are just trying to fight against kefirah, and trying to get the Chabadniks to do teshuvah.
DaMosheParticipantUnfortunately, even staying home for Yom Tov can be extremely expensive. The cost of food has gotten so high that it’s difficult for families to afford it.
There is one thing I usually only do special for Yom Tov – I’ll make a roast. For Shabbos, the beef I’ll eat is cholent meat (which is usually a cheaper cut) and cold cuts. A roast (or a brisket, which I enjoy smoking) is something special for om Tov. The only exception is if I’m having choshuv guests for a Shabbos, I may make a roast, but that is extremely rare. It’s my item that is l’kavod Yom Tov.
Anyway, the cost of a roast, no matter what cut, has gone insane. So now, I keep my eyes open all the time, because there is one store I know of that puts whole briskets on sale for about $7/lb. When they do, I’ll buy a 14-15 lb brisket. When Yom Tov is coming, I’ll smoke it. One piece goes into the cholent whenever Shabbos comes out on Yom Tov. Most obviously gets served. I freeze whatever is left, and will serve it for the second days.
But meat is only one item. Grape juice is now $6 per bottle, although ShopRite sometimes has it on sale for $4.50. If you’re unable to bake challah, you can be paying $6 for each one. Cold cuts, even without the fancy boards, cost a ton. Salami, which has always been the cheapest one, was available just a few years ago for $7-$8 per lb. Now it’s $14. Pastrami is $25. If you have any guests at all (and what is a Yom Tov without guests?), you can easily be paying thousands of dollars to make a Yom Tov at home!DaMosheParticipantChaim, I am thankful as well that I bought my first home when I did, towards the bottom of the market after the 08 crash.
I did move to a different house when the market was better, but I was able to roll the profit off the first house into the down payment for the new one, so it worked out well – and I got in when interest rates were at their lowest, under 3%. Even so, my monthly payment is high.
You say tuition isn’t really higher than it was then, at least in Lakewood or chassidish communities. That may be true, but the majority of people don’t live in Lakewood. Home prices there have gotten so high that younger people can’t afford to live there!DaMosheParticipantChaim, it’s not just luxuries that people spend on. Tuition has increased exponentially since our parents were raising us, and it’s a crushing burden. With lots more families having 2 working parents, often 2 cars are needed in order to commute to work.
There’s also housing costs. I saw a study that compared house prices from 1965 through 2021. They adjusted for inflation. House prices rose 118% from 1965 to 2021, even adjusting for the inflation. Income only rose 15.5%. In 1965, the ratio of avg house price to avg income was about 4.5. Currently, it’s about 7.33. So paying for the same size home that our parents had is costing us significantly more than it cost them.
I agree about fancy vacations, and indulging on fancy foods. If you can’t pay full tuition for your kids, you have no business spending money on a fancy trip. I get that people need vacations to relax, but there are affordable options. You don’t need to fly the whole family to Israel.
At the end of the day, let’s all just remember that all our money comes from Hashem. You want to ensure financial well-being? Make sure to give maaser. It’s guaranteed to help your finances. And don’t forget to daven. Davening and doing mitzvos accomplish more than any segulah for parnassah out there.DaMosheParticipantShimon, my point is that every case should be judged on its own merits, and the use of children as pawns doesn’t reflect badly on divorce, it reflects badly on the individuals involved.
DaMosheParticipantI’ve seen both sides of this.
I have a friend, who I’ve known since I was young. He is now in his 40s, and has never been on a single date. He doesn’t want to get married. Why? Because his parents can’t stand each other. They constantly fight. But they live in a chassidish community, and were told that divorce is not an option, so they stayed married. He did not see a healthy relationship between his parents, all he saw is fighting, so now he doesn’t want his life to be like that. So he refuses to date at all.On the flip side, I have a close friend who got divorced. They had one daughter together before they split. It was not an easy split for him, and he had a lot of tough feelings towards his ex-wife. But he told me, “I put those feelings aside, and I deal with her as nicely as I can, because we have a child together, and she is the main priority. We have shared custody, and she sees how we interact with each other. So I treat my ex respectfully, because that’s what is best for my daughter.”
Sadly, there are cases where a child is used as a pawn against one parent in a divorce. But that doesn’t mean the divorce is wrong – the actions of the parent are the issue, not the divorce itself.
In some cases, a parent may claim that a child is being used against them, or that there is parental alienation. Sometimes, removing one parent from the kid’s life was a decision made by a beis din or a court, for the child’s best interests, but the parent can’t accept that. So they start a social media campaign, trying to paint the other parent as a monster, to put public pressure on them. That too is wrong.
September 21, 2023 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm in reply to: Which is worse: Married life or divorced life? #2227169DaMosheParticipantI think the worst is when a troll pretends that those are the only two options, and presents them in a poll trying to force someone to choose.
DaMosheParticipantKevin McCarthy is only 58. Not all that old.
DaMosheParticipantJoseph, divorce is the correct thing to do in many cases. Yes, there are times when people choose it too easily, but there are times when it is warranted. I personally know of individuals that my Rebbe, R’ Bender, encouraged to get a divorce.
I have a family member who got divorced, after a short marriage. It was even a case where divorce is usually strongly discouraged – she was pregnant. Why? The husband was physically abusive. So they got divorced while she was pregnant, and shortly after, she had a daughter.
She remarried a few years later, to a wonderful man who also had a daughter. Together they had more children. I don’t think that any of the children feel that the two oldest (who are step-siblings to each other, and half-siblings to the rest) are anything less than full family. The parents love their step-daughters as their own. It’s truly a beautiful family.DaMosheParticipantJoseph, why so-called?
DaMosheParticipantShimon, I’ve heard of that program! It’s the “Holier Than Thou” program, right?
September 14, 2023 9:22 am at 9:22 am in reply to: Relating the Tisha B’av message from Hashem in Today’s generation #2225584DaMosheParticipantSam, the Mishna says that there are 4 different Roshei Shanim. Nisan is one of them, and it is used for counting the months, as it says straight in the pasuk. Tishrei is when the world was created, so as far counting the age of the world, we go from there.
Saying DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM all in caps all the time doesn’t make your argument any more convincing – if anything, it leads me to think you’re just not entirely rational. In modern times, the only things we have which are clearly directly from Hashem are the words of the Torah. Nevuah is long gone. The messages we receive from Hashem now are done indirectly – it’s up to us to see them.
Yes, 9/11 was a message from Hashem, but it had nothing to do with any numbers or anything like that. If it was meant to be connected to Tisha b’Av, it would have occurred on Tisha b’Av.September 13, 2023 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm in reply to: Relating the Tisha B’av message from Hashem in Today’s generation #2225406DaMosheParticipantubiquitin, may I add to your post… the order of the months is a MESSAGE DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM!!!
September 11, 2023 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm in reply to: The final word on Moshiach from the meisim (hopefully!) #2224659DaMosheParticipantKugel, as I mentioned earlier, I won’t read the book because it contains kefirah. If you want to study the New Testament so that you could properly understand Christianity’s arguments before dismissing them, then I’d say you have a right to ask that we read your book.
As for other possibilities for Mashiach if he can come from the dead, well then, R’ Akiva thought that Bar Kochba was Mashiach. Maybe that’s who it would be? I’d trust R’ Akiva more than any Chabadnik – more than anyone alive today, honestly.DaMosheParticipantAAQ, unfortunately, the mods censored part of my response, IMO for no good reason. It wasn’t all First World Problems that I mentioned as possible fixes.
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