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Did anyone confirm that this was a real letter? From what I’ve heard, it wasn’t on a school stationary, it was just a typed letter sent to people. Did anyone sign their name to it?
He didn’t ask.
Here’s some more lyrics:
“Why oh why does this happen
In a world so advanced?”
So does anyone know the song I quoted lyrics from?
“Wandering and searching, a girl lone and frightened
The echo of her footsteps, tales of days of yore”
You sent them to Feif Un 🙂
I actually have them already.
DaasYochid, he wasn’t the one naming the songs – I was 🙂 I fed him the answers.
Here’s a tougher one:
“Wandering and searching, a girl lone and frightened
The echo of her footsteps, tales of days of yore”
DaasYochid: Isn’t that from Megama, Sukkos in Jerusalem?
Yup, that’s me 🙂
Let’s resurrect this thread!
“There’s a feeling in the air when Neilah is near”
2smart4u: Welcome to the CR! I agree with most of what you said (at least if I understood it correctly). I’ve had this discussion with others before, and unfortunately, you will never win this argument. Our observations don’t matter – all you’ll hear back is, “But Da’as Torah said differently from you! Do you think you know better than da’as Torah?”
In this case, yes, I think I do know better. I’ve gone through all the temptations, slipped up for a while, and found my way back. I understand it much better than most Rabbonim. They never went through this, so they don’t know what goes through our heads.
Where’s the pizza? All yearbook meetings need pizza!
I don’t think it’s a copyright violation – first off, I don’t think there’s a copyright on it. Second, even if it does have a copyright on it, quoting the lyrics for the purpose of this thread should fall under fair use.
Copyright is automatic–you don’t need to affirmatively claim it or register it. Quoting something in its entirety is much less likely to be fair use, and I’m not expert enough to know how to apply fair use. So we’ll just stay away from copyrighted materials.
edited for copyright violation
Darchei Torah in Far Rockaway
Kiddush clubs usually refer to people who leave either by leining or by the Rabbi’s speech to drink. I honestly don’t know of any shuls who do this.
My shul has a kiddush every week, after davening. Sometimes there’s alcohol, sometimes there isn’t. Does this qualify as a kiddush club in your mind?
Even if I decided I didn’t want to be MO anymore (which I don’t see happening), I DEFINITELY would not want to be like Popa.
ShalomToYOu: Very often, the tuition charged is not enough to cover the costs of the yeshiva. They fund raise to keep the tuition from rising to levels that are really crazy.
DaasYochid: I don’t think he’s trying to turn them into tzaddikim. I think he needs to turn himself into one. His comment that children would starve was wrong. Their fate was not sealed. Hashem will take care of them.
DaasYochid: Yes, I do. But I am aware that Hashem got me my job. I am not wealthy – not by a long shot. When I got my tuition bill, I didn’t tell the school that my kids would starve. I said to my wife, “Hashem has always given us what we need, and He’ll give us the money to pay this as well!” 3 weeks later, I got promoted at work, and got a salary increase. Not enough to pay the full tuition, but enough for a decent chunk of it. Hashem gives us what we need. The kids won’t starve because of the government. If they’re meant to starve, all the money won’t help them.
So he feels the money comes from the government, and that Hashem isn’t capable of feeding these children without using the government? What an apikores!
I’ll do the Found in His/Her Locker page!
You only say the bracha on a king who has absolute power – such as the power to sentence someone to death on a whim. Since Obama does not have that power, you don’t say that bracha.
The proper bracha should be, “May God bless and keep Obama… far away from us!”
I think I’m going to try and get a shawarma tonight. It’s similar to how the korban Pesach was eaten, so it’s real Jewish food.
Mine is the Yarden Frozen Heights wine, made from frozen Gewurztraminer grapes.
Mo’adim l’simcha l’geulah shleimah!
R’ Belsky’s teshuva was posted in the CR already:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/sefira-music/page/2#post-86593
Q: A cappella albums – singing without instrumental accompaniment – are becoming more and more common, especially during The Three Weeks and Sefirah when we are noheig not to listen to music. Is it halachically permissible to listen to a cappella music during these times of the year?
A Cappella
There are basically three types of a cappella.
One is where the musical sounds originate from human voices but the natural properties are digitally modified with computer software to attain quality of sounds that are not humanly possible, thus making it sound more like regular music. Such a cappella is halachically not viewed as being any different from regular music.
There are other forms of a cappella which sound very similar to regular music, although no digital modification is done to the voices. These types of a cappella should also not be listened to during Sefirah and The Three Weeks, as will be explained shortly.
The third type of a cappella is where regular songs are sung by an individual or choir. There is nothing halachically objectionable about listening to such a cappella during Sefirah and The Three Weeks.
To properly understand this topic, it would be helpful to briefly relate some technical information provided by experts in the music industry as to how a cappella music is created.
Digitally Modified A Cappella
Every sound is made up of many different sound waves, each at there own frequency. The individual frequencies and the velocity of each sound wave give each sound its unique tonal properties.
A second modification made is to the pitch of the notes. A bass guitar can play notes almost twice as low (two octaves lower) as a human voice can go. Therefore, in order to simulate the bass notes, some album producers lower the pitch of the notes beyond the capabilities of the human voice. This process of transposing the notes down an octave or more would also change the status of these notes from vocals to computer-generated sounds, and would be prohibited during Sefirah and The Three Weeks.
A third modification made is to the timing of the notes. The rhythmic structure of all music can be charted on a grid. The most common breakdown would be charted in eights. That means that each rhythmic hit would take place at exactly one interval of eights. It is not humanly possible for a musician to play 100% on the grid. This slight imperfection is what gives live music its human feel, as opposed to machine music which sounds much more rigid. It is even harder for a person to create a rhythm with his mouth, and keep it perfectly on grid. Many albums take the rhythmic parts and digitally place them exactly where they belong on the grid. This process is called quantization. Though this does not change the sound of the voice, when used in combination with any of the above processes it would give the sounds more of a status of music.
Unmodified A Cappella
If so, where does the entire issue of not listening to live or recorded music during Sefirah and The Three Weeks come from?
It appears that although there was no specific minhag not to listen to music, there was a minhag to abstain from things that bring about an excessive amount of enjoyment. Furthermore, technically, due to the churban Beis Hamikdosh, music should be forbidden all year round. However, there are certain kulos which we rely upon. It is during Sefirah and The Three Weeks that we have accepted upon ourselves not to rely on these kulos and practice aveilus in this regard. Music has this power more than most things that people do for enjoyment. Music can take someone out of this world, so to speak, and make him forget, at least temporarily, all his worries and problems. Thus, whether the music is live or recorded, it produces this effect, which is contrary to the minhag. A cappella that sounds very similar to music is also included in this minhag and should not be listened to.
Some rabbonim feel that once it sounds like music and is being played from an electronic device, that, too, renders it a musical device which is forbidden.
Choirs
A cappella music that was not modified at all, and sounds like a group of people singing, would be permissible.
It is interesting to note that the word a cappella literally means, a – in the style of, capella – a chapel. In a chapel, they have only a choir singing with no musical instruments (other than a pipe organ which blends together very well with the voices). The harmony of the choir is meant to produce the musical affect. This is where the concept of a cappella stems from.
dafyomi2711: Because if my Rav has paskened that I should make a mezonos, that’s what I’m going to do!
2scents: Because according to the Mishna Berurah, the peace of mind of the mother is a matter of pikuach nefesh, just as getting her to the hospital is.
As for the psak you heard, that’s fine – if that was your posek, follow that psak. There is likely a machlokes in this matter, and everyone should follow their posek.
Gamanit, I don’t disagree with you. Different poskim have different views on the bracha for pizza, and everyone should follow his or her posek. The OP seemed to imply that someone who could make either bracha, and a hamotzi is preferable. This is not the case.
WIY: You’re thinking of Hashem as we believe it, in Judaism. For someone whoisn’t sure what to believe, why do they have to believe god is perfect? Maybe he’s just some super-powerful being who can get bored?
As for an obligation of hakaras hatov, yes, in an ideal world everyone would give hakaras hatov when it is due. Sadly, that is not the case. Besides, this guy doesn’t believe the powerful being gave him everything. The being created the world, and left it to run itself.
It’s not a matter of the time it takes, it’s a matter of what the proper bracha is. Would you wash and make hamotzi on a piece of sponge cake?
WIY: Not necessarily. I know someone who believes in a higher power (you can call it god or anything else you want), but he believes that this being one day created a universe because it was bored. After creating the universe, it left it alone and went to do something else. Why is that illogical?
2scents: I assume it’s permitted because they asked a Rav, and were told it’s allowed. I have a cousin who is a doula, and I once saw her answer her phone on Shabbos, and then run out to drive to the hospital.
I did hear that a member of the Eidah Chareidis in Israel allows a doula to travel to the hospital on Shabbos.
I did a quick search, and found the following reason (and please note that I am not a posek, this is just a reason I found!): the Gemara says it’s allowed to light a lamp for a woman in labor on Shabbos, even if it’s not medically necessary. The Mishna Berurah says the reason is that a woman in labor needs peace of mind, and if she doesn’t have it, it’s considered pikuach nefesh.
When a woman has hired a doulah, and the doulah isn’t able to attend the delivery, it falls into the category of the peace of mind of the woman. Therefore, as with the lamp, chillul Shabbos is not only allowed, but is required, as in any case of pikuach nefesh.
Of course, you do thigns with a shinuy – like arranging before Shabbos to have a car service on standby. I did read that a doulah told her Rav that because she waited for the cab to come, she missed the delivery, and her patient was extremely upset about it. Her Rav then gave her permission to drive herself.
I know that I was in a shiur when I was in Yeshiva, given by R’ Yaakov Reisman (from Far Rockaway), and he said that if it’s difficult to arrange for a cab when your wife is in her 9th month, there is no problem with driving yourself.
I was the one who told Feif Un this story. I recently spoke to a relative of mine who learned in Torah V’Daas at the time, and asked him about this story. He said he never witnessed such a thing, or heard about it.
I asked my Rav about it, telling him what my uncle said. He double-checked his source, and confirmed it – Rabbi Reisman shlita said the story over in one of his shiurim. He said he has a transcript of the shiur, and will give me a copy. When he does, I’ll let you know exactly when he said it over.
Tattoos on Holocaust survivors should be a badge of pride. I remember when I was young, the cook in my yeshiva had a number tattooed on his arm. When I was old enough to understand what it meant, I had a tremendous amount of respect for him. To go through that hell, and come out as a frum Jew, is amazing. I’m sure when these people get to their din v’cheshbon after 120, the tattoo (together with the yellow stars many had to wear) acts as a shield against the prosecutors in the beis din.
The Satmar Rebbe z”l, said that if you see someone with a tattoo from the camps, you should ask for a bracha from the person.To my knowledge, he didn’t say the person had to be frum, just that they have a tattoo.
Veltz: So you have no respect for the Novominsker Rebbe?
Sam2: I’m a fan of Munchkin! I played a great game of Star Munchkin this past Shabbos with a few friends.
popa: Yes, we know that you went to college “for parnassah”, and now chat with women here on the CR. Just get off the site already!
Many gedolim went to college even if they didn’t get graduate degrees. R’ Dovid Bender zt”l had a degree in accounting, and passed his CPA exams.
The Novominsker Rebbe shlita, who now heads Agudas Yisroel, graduated from Brooklyn College.
R’ Hutner zt”l went to university in Berlin not to get a degree, but just to study philosophy, to gain the knowledge, without any thought for parnassah.
Ramchal attended university in Italy.
I wouldn’t recommend moving to Monsey if you have these issues. The Chassidish community there is spreading extremely quickly. It is also over-crowded. It wasn’t built with the infrastructure of a city, but it now has the population density of one.
Gamanit: They don’t have to go to the army. They can also do sherut le’umi. They can serve in Magen David Adom.
Even if what you say is true, it doesn’t excuse the lying. The government gives money for those who learn the full day. Learning at night does not qualify for the funds, and they are stealing when they come in during the day only when there is an inspection.