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DaMosheParticipant
I once took my grandmother shopping on Avenue J, on a Sunday morning. There was no parking on J, and I ended up parking on Avenue I, across from Chaim Berlin. It was a nice spring day, and the windows of the yeshiva were open. We could hear the children learning from the open windows. My grandmother asked me if we could stop for a minute and listen. She told me, “I love listening to children in yeshivos learning! Hitler killed my family, and he tried to kill all the Jews, but here we are, listening to kids learning, and Hitler is gone! This is the greatest revenge against Hitler, having our children learning!”
DaMosheParticipantSecularFrummy: Who says all else is lost? There’s a phrase, “Mitoch lo l’shma, bo l’shma” – if you do something that is not l’shma, eventually, you’ll do it l’shma. So even if someone’s doesn’t have full faith in Hashem, they can still do things which can eventually bring them to a full belief.
Even if it does hinge on that, so what? Does that mean it shouldn’t be a test?
DaMosheParticipantSecularFrummy: There are many things we are tested with. Belief in Hashem is only one of them. They had their own tests to deal with. Obviously, they were on a high enough level to merit seeing the open miracles. Maybe their test was to try and appreciate the “explainable” miracles as much as the inexplicable ones? I really don’t know.
DaMosheParticipantSecularFrummy: Hashem would make an alternative to allow for bechirah. The Ramban writes extensively about the fact that if there were no bechirah, there could be no reward. If miracles were completely obvious, and you had to believe in them, it wouldn’t be a big deal to believe in Hashem. The fact that there is a plausible explanation means the belief can be rewarded.
I don’t know what people thought a few hundred years ago. Maybe Hashem arranged it for this generation, not the previous ones.
DaMosheParticipantDaasYochid, here’s a hint: The song comes from a choir. The main soloist in the song also released a solo album when he was still a kid.
DaMosheParticipantCan anyone give an opinion on the theory I wrote earlier? I’d like to hear what people think of it. To recap: The Midrash tells us that Hashem made an “out” for every miracle He did, so that if someone wants, they can explain it as a natural thing. This was done to allow bechirah. Evolution is not illogical, it was simply Hashem’s “out” for creating the world. Hashem made it appear that living things evolved so that there can be bechirah about it.
DaMosheParticipantIs Chaim Berlin also not taking it?
DaMosheParticipantFirst off, the OP wrote “I heard” the Regents were cancelled. Did anyone confirm that they are, in fact, cancelled?
As for Biology and evolution, I actually taught 9th grade Regents biology for one year. I asked the principal if he wanted me to skip evolution, and he said no. I told the class the following:
“The Midrash says that every time Hashem does something miraculous, he also creates a way for those who don’t want to believe to have a way out of it. For example, Rashi says the wind blew the night before kriyas yam suf so some could say the wind caused the sea to split. You can say these things make sense, because otherwise it wouldn’t be a viable option. In the case of Hashem creating the world and all the living things, evolution was that “alternative belief” that Hashem created. We know that the truth is that Hashem created us. Others, however, are fooled by the alternative that Hashem put in place. By studying the alternative, and keeping firmly in mind that it is just an alternative, we can appreciate the perfection of Hashem! When we try to fool someone, there are always ways to see through the illusion. Let’s appreciate the perfection of Hashem by going through his “illusion” of evolution, and seeing how thoroughly he fooled all these people!”
DaMosheParticipantHere’s a new one for you:
My courage is beginning to fade
I need the light of Yiddishkeit
DaMosheParticipantBelieve it or not, I’ve never heard of Shema Koleinu. I did a quick Google search and found them, but that’s the first time I’ve seen it.
I doubt you’ll get #2 – it’s from the same album as a song Feif Un posted a while ago. It’s called Stop Where You Are, from an album called Mesorah. I’m trying to find a copy of it somewhere, with little luck. My most recent attempt was through a friend of mine. I remembered that one or two of the songs on the album were composed by his father-in-law. He’s going to ask for me where I can get a copy.
If I get one, I can try to send it to you.
DaMosheParticipantGamanit: They were asked repeatedly to evacuate due to safety concerns, and they repeatedly refused. Eventually a judge ordered them to evacuate. They tried to fight it again, but weren’t successful. They then finally began evacuating, almost a month after the initial order.
Mammele: By point was that their previous issues caused me to jump to conclusions which I probably shouldn’t have.
DaMosheParticipantCorrect! I don’t know the one you posted, what is it?
Also, do you know my 2nd one above?
DaMosheParticipantGamanit: When it comes to Skver, everything comes from “high up” in New Square, no matter what camp it is. The issue is that when the leadership decides for one camp that safety isn’t important, it follows that it doesn’t matter much to them about the other camps either.
nishtdayngesheft: It doesn’t. No correlation at all.
DaMosheParticipantIt’s not. I’ve written plenty of posts about Satmar that they haven’t allowed through. YWN is anti-Modern Orthodox, not anti-Satmar.
DaMosheParticipantI’ve heard the Bo’ee b’shalom tune that I believe was on an old album called All Star Cast. I lost it years ago, so I don’t know for sure that was the album.
I’ve heard Od Yeshvu, which was really nice.
There’s one from D’veykus.
At my wedding, the singer (my cousin) used Machnisei Rachamim.
I’ve sang the one from Lev V’nefesh.
DaMosheParticipantPBA: It depends on why you’re doing it. If it’s out of comfort or style, then no, it’s not assur. If you’re doing it to try and be more “frum”, then yes, I’d say it is.
DaMosheParticipantOh Shreck: So she felt that she knows hilchos tznius better than the Mechaber, the Mishna Berurah, etc?
DaMosheParticipantToi: No, I don’t have an issue with how people dress to their wedding. I have a problem when they claim a halachic basis that doesn’t exist. There are specific parts of a person’s body that must be covered. The face isn’t one of them. This might fall under bal tosif.
DaMosheParticipantgavra: During the chuppah, I know the usual minhag is to keep the veil on. But what about later, like during the mitzvah tantz?
DaMosheParticipantSince when does hilchos tznius require a woman to cover her face when there are men around? Are Belz chassidim now joining the burka cult?
DaMosheParticipantJosh31: They think they’re me? And I’m entitled to 7 names? I didn’t know that! Mods, can you help me set up another 6 names for myself?
DaMosheParticipantOh Shreck!: The only mitzvah? Aren’t there 7 mitzvos a non-Jew can do?
If I found I wasn’t Jewish, I’d probably decide to live according to the 7 mitzvos b’nei Noach. A non-Jew who follows them and lives a good life can also get a share in the next world! And besides, I’ve heard that bacon is the most delicious food in the world (although I’ve argued that cholent is probably better). I’d love to be able to taste it!
DaMosheParticipantMy company has an opening for an entry-level actuary. If you’re interested, you can send an email to Feif Un, and he can pass it along (we work for the same place).
DaMosheParticipantI didn’t end up staying awake the first night. My Dr. had told me that if the pain got bad I could use some prescription pain-killers. During the meal, it got really bad, and I took some. That knocked me out for the night. Luckily, the anti-biotics kicked in sometime that night also, and the swelling started going down. Now the pain is gone, and the swelling is about 98% gone.
DaMosheParticipantDerech HaMelech: I am helping. I’m showing her which Jewish singers to avoid 🙂
DaMosheParticipantJewish singers taking non-Jewish tunes is nothing new. Here are some songs that were “adapted”:
MBD – Hinei Lo Yanum (1974)
MBD – Shir Hashalom (1975)
MBD – Lichtiger Shabbos (1982)
MBD – Yidden (1986)
MBD – Father Dear (aka Daddy Dear) (1988)
D’veykus – Od Yeshama (1985?)
Piamenta – Asher Bara (1989)
Piamenta – Kol Hamesameach (2000)
I’m sure there are plenty of others, these are just off the top of my head – and not counting albums like Shlock Rock and Variations which are supposed to be “adapted” songs.
DaMosheParticipantHere are some of my favorites:
The Little Old Rabbi (actually called “Shhh….You Know Who”)
News Flash (the interview with the old woman who saw Mashiach)
Machmir
Suburbia (the 3 chazzonim trying out)
The Chicken and the Dime
Just One Rabbi
Try…
Phone conversation from Volume 3 (he calls an evangelist church by mistake)
Staying a Levi
Balabustas
Halva Medley
What Kind of Shul
Rap-A-Port
Torah Portion Isn’t Mine
DaMosheParticipantDY & R Shmuel: I don’t know either one of those off the top of my head. I’ll think about them.
Here’s some new ones:
1. “Here comes a crowd, join and be proud”
2. “Every seat’s free. Well, wouldn’t you know – he sits down next to me”
DaMosheParticipantYes that’s it! It took you long enough 😉 I’m going to get some lunch now. I’ll try to have a really tough one for you later.
DaMosheParticipantsimcha613: I honestly don’t know the answer to that question. I’d probably ask my Rav what he thought.
DaMosheParticipantDaasYochid, I’ll give you a big hint, which will probably give it away.
A few years ago, this choir released an album which was supposed to be a collection of all their English songs. For some reason, this song was (I think) the only one left off the album.
DaMosheParticipantChag sameach! Let us all celebrate the fulfillment of the nevuah: “Od yeshvu z’keinim u’z’keinos b’rechovos Yerushalayim. V’ish mishanto b’yado meirov yomim. U’richovos ha’ir yimalu yiladim v’yilados misachakim b’richovoseha.”
Thank you Hashem for this wonderful gift! Me’eis Hashem haysa zos, hee niflas be’eyneinu!
DaMosheParticipantMod 42, if you have a problem with some of the discussions in the CR, why don’t you utilize your mod powers and get rid of them?
DaMosheParticipantOk, you got the 2nd one. What about the first one?
DaMosheParticipantIs Anyone going to try and answer the two I posted? I’ll give hints:
The first one is from a popular choir
You’ll have to reach out to get the 2nd one.
DaMosheParticipantI don’t think anything about people based on what kind of kippah they wear.
My uncle happens to wear a black knitted kippah. He also wears a black hat when davening, and gives a daf yomi shiur every day. He’s finished Shas 3 times through Daf Yomi, and reviews it regularly. I’d say he’s a good Jew, and leave it at that.
DaMosheParticipantjust a member: Actually, Chassidus was the response to many Jews discontinuance of practicing Judaism.
Modern Orthodoxy was not a new movement. It just had a name given to it after years of being around. Were/are there people who didn’t/don’t follow halacha? Yes, just as there are among the chareidim, chassidim, sefardim, and every other group. There will always be people who don’t feel like doing what is right. Still, the basic beliefs of Modern Orthodoxy are closest to how Judaism was practiced for centuries.
DaMosheParticipantTorah613Torah: I know plenty of people who think all Jews are either Satmar or not religious. Most of them live in either Kiryas Joel or Williamsburg.
As for differences between groups of Jews, I think that Modern Orthodox has the closest to the way Judaism has been practiced for thousands of years. Chassidus is a relatively new invention. The Besht felt that the common Jew needed a different way to serve Hashem, and so he created chassidus. It was not our mesorah to do things that way, the Besht just felt it was either that or lose all the common people.
The yeshivish mentality as it exists today is also a new derech. The Chazon Ish said after the Holocaust that people should be pushed to sit and learn in kollel, in order to try and replace the Rabbonim who were killed by the Nazis yemach sh’mom. He said this should be for 3 generations. Again, it was a new thing, not our mesorah, and was done because he felt the times needed it.
Modern Orthodoxy is called Modern because it deals with how halacha applies in the modern world – where the Shulchan Aruch and Mishna Brurah don’t tell us what to do, because the circumstances didn’t exist yet at those times. Jews going out to work and learning in the evenings, or going to a gemara (daf yomi?) shiur early in the morning, is how it was done for centuries.
DaMosheParticipant“END THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW”
Agreed. Mods?
DaMosheParticipantI’m davening that chareidim in EY stop lighting garbage cans on fire, stop throwing rocks at people, stop stealing money from the government, and stop calling secular Jews names like “Nazi”.
They brought this on themselves.
DaMosheParticipantYes yekke2 is correct! I have two others out there:
“Why oh why does this happen
In a world so advanced?”
“Tears for the wall, so wantonly crumbled
The house of Hashem still humbled”
I’m not sure on the first one if I have the lyrics exactly correct – it’s not entirely clear what the words are, and there was no lyrics sheet with the album. The 2nd line might be “The world’s so advanced”.
DaMosheParticipantwritersoul: Sorry, I just saw your post (I was out shopping), and it’s after shekiah now. I can give you a bracha anyway if you want – may all your tefillos be answered!
And as someone who has degree in Math, I can help you with trig also 🙂
DaMosheParticipantShraga18: I have it, and can transfer it to mp3. If you email Feif Un (he mentions where you can find his email above), I can give it to him to email back to you.
It will have to wait a bit, as I hold of the 2nd half of sefirah, and try not to work with music now, as it often entails playing it.
DaMosheParticipantoomis & Bubby: He should have a speedy refuah shleimah!!
DaMosheParticipantTorah613Torah: You should be ge’bentched!
postsemgirl: May Hashem send you the right shidduch soon, and may you not be picky as to dismiss him!
DaMosheParticipantpostsemgirl: Thanks! Was there anything in particular you wanted a bracha for?
DaMosheParticipantDaasYochid, I looked through the thread, and you always used to get the tough ones… I’m disappointed in you! Here’s one more that you should know:
“Tears for the wall, so wantonly crumbled
The house of Hashem still humbled”
DaMosheParticipantOh Shreck!: May you learn to do your proper hishtadlus! Also, with a name like Shreck, you should get to know Popa, our resident troll. May the two of you have a great friendship!
DaMosheParticipantSorry DaasYochid, somehow I missed your post.
May you have nothing but nachas from all your children! May you live many productive years – productive meaning being a good, frum Jew!
DaMosheParticipantHaLeiVi: Sure! May you have a lot of hatzlacha!
Sorry, your posts don’t bring anything specific to mind.
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