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playtime: It means it’s fully mixed, men and women learning together.
musser zoger: He’s taking a page from Satmar. They make up quotes from R’ Chaim Kanievsky, he makes up quotes from the Chazon Ish.
He’s completed obsessed with bashing Zionism. You could start a thread about anything, and he’d find a way to bring Zionism into it.
He recently posted about an article he had written for a website. I looked for the article, and it had his full name. I was curious if there were other articles he had written (since in the article it said he was a writer), so I did a search. I found his LinkedIn page, which says he “learns” in Hadar.
HaKatan, do you have a source for that claim about the Chazon Ish?
As for Satmar, while they may not be Apikorsim, I do know one thing: Hashem does nit like it when brothers fight in the streets outside the cemetery on the yartzeit of their father.
Sam2: I agree with you. I was just posting what they say on their site. rebdoniel “learned” in that “yeshiva”.
Mods, if you’re going to edit my post, please at least post a bold EDITED on the bottom. You left out some of what I wrote.
Sorry, I should have.
rebdoniel: You keep digging yourself into a deeper hole. You say that the RCA isn’t dealing with Agunos because they won’t accept Rackman’s “solution”. Pretty much every Rav said Rackman’s “solution” doesn’t work halachically. You don’t compromise on halachah for a difficult situation. You try to find an answer within the confines of halachah.
Rabbi Angel’s conversions are not viewed all that favorably by most. It’s not the politics in it, it’s because he doesn’t always do it properly, according to halachah.
Your defense of Yeshivat Maharat is laughable, as almost everyone has come out against it, except for Avi Weiss and his chevra.
You wrote about an article you wrote recently, which I looked up. I noted that you “learn” in Yeshivat Hadar, which on their website proudly note that they are “The first full-time egalitarian yeshiva in North America”.
In short, your beliefs are way, way different than most people here. Yes, I have differences also – MO vs. Yeshivish. But your differences are at a different level.
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DaasYochid, if you’re referring to Feif Un, you have it wrong.
He was pretty much OTD while still in yeshiva. One of the Roshei Yeshiva wanted to expel him, but the highest RY there told the other one to let him stay, because after the year was over he’d want to leave anyway, and he wasn’t influencing anyone else – he kept things to himself.
If anything, it was in college (where I first met him), that he became more frum. He had some extremely bad experiences in yeshiva which made him not want to be frum. One of them was being told some of the same things I was told – that college guys can’t be frum. He asked the Rebbe if that meant his (Feif Un’s, not the Rebbe’s) parents weren’t frum, since they went to college, and he was punished for being chutzpadik.
Feif Un “dared” to ask the questions that yeshiva guys are not supposed to ask – he dared to ask “Why?” and he was ridiculed for it. For a religion that supposedly encourages questions, the right-wing yeshiva system is certainly doing a great job of doing the opposite. That was what drove Feif Un OTD. It started when he was in elementary school, and got worse over the years. In college, he realized that you can be a good Jew and not be sitting and learning all day, and decided to give it another try. That’s a big part of why Feif Un is so adamantly against chareidi Judaism – because he saw the hypocrisy in it, and their willingness to throw those who don’t fit into their system to the wayside.
In case you’re wondering, yes, I did check with Feif Un before posting this stuff about him, and he gave me the ok.
After one year of beis medrash (meaning post high-school) in Darchei Torah, I decided to go to college. The Rosh Yeshiva, R’ Altusky, tried to talk me out of leaving. I told him I wasn’t cut out for learning, and I couldn’t sit through seder every day. He knew all this, and had even told me I wasn’t learning as well as I should be, and was wasting time during seder.
He replied that I didn’t know what college was like, and that there’s no way for someone to go to college and stay frum. He said the only way for a Jewish man to stay frum was to stay in yeshiva and learn. When I told him, again, that I didn’t enjoy learning all day, and it was time to go to college so I could make a parnassah, he said I should just keep trying, because eventually I’d grow to like it, and learning is way better than working.
When I went to R’ Bender and told him what R’ Altusky said, he told me, “Don’t listen to him. He obviously doesn’t know you well, and he just wants everyone to sit and learn whether it’s the thing for them or not. You should go to college so you could earn a parnassah – just make sure you’re in yeshiva at least part of the day while you’re in school!”
I spoke with my Rav (who’s an RCA member) about the letter over Shabbos.
He said the membership of the RCA was never consulted about the letter, and the first they heard of it was when it was leaked. He said the internal message board for RCA members was the busiest he’d seen it in a long, long, time – and none of it was positive. Most members were furious with the 3 people who wrote the letter, and they let them know about it!
He said that Friday afternoon, an internal letter was sent to RCA members from the 3 writers, apologizing for claiming that they spoke for the membership of the RCA, when they had never discussed the issue. He did not know if they will also be apologizing to Chacham Ovadia.
He also told me that while he doesn’t always agree with R’ Stav’s position on many things, he does recognize that he’s a huge talmud chacham, and he has tremendous respect for him. He also respects Chacham Ovadia tremendously. He said he doesn’t know the context of Chacham Ovadia’s remarks about R’ Stav, so he can’t speculate on why it was said.
moeisrael: Why must you put up these ridiculous comparisons, which can only lead to lashon hara? Yair Lapid doesn’t care if chareidim want to sit and learn – he just doesn’t want to have to pay for it. Balak wanted to get rid of the Jews. He tried to get them to sin in order to do so – kind of what you’re doing here by starting a conversation that can only lead to lashon hara and sinas chinam.
batseven: So it’s ok to plaster their names all over the front of the yeshiva buildings and honor them at dinners for their donations, but it’s not ok to post the names here?
The Lowinger family has helped build many yeshivos. Mesivta Chaim Shlomo (part of Darchei Torah) in Far Rockaway was built by a Lowinger. I believe Torah Temimah has a Lowinger’s name on the building.
There’s also a well known yeshiva in Brooklyn which has a very wealthy benefactor, but unfortunately, he wasn’t always honest about paying employees – mainly one, who went to Beis Din over it. The benefactor (who is employed by the yeshiva) refused to respond to the hazmanah (along with the Rosh Yeshiva).
Now let’s get back to the RCA and Chacham Ovadia.
popa, do you still shudder about the RCA, having decided to be dan l’kaf zchus that the letter referred to those who assaulted the Rav at the wedding, and not Chacham Ovadia?
Mods, do you still think it was a chutzpa, or did you come around to that way of thinking as well?
And what about the member of the Moetzes who can’t win in Beis Din because he’s a lo tzais dina?
Here’s another one:
Somewhere there’s a garden
Where the sun shines every day
It’s not too far
From where we are
It’s from Or Chodosh – My Yaytzer Horah Says
HaKatan: Thank you for backing me up on that interpretation!
Why can’t others be melamed zchus and assume that’s what it meant? Are you so eager to bash a mostly Modern Orthodox organization? Mods, why do you allow it?
DaasYochid, that’s RABBI Tendler to you! R’ Moshe obviously disagreed with you, as he wrote very highly of his son-in-law. Either way, it’s not for you to decide who’s a legitimate Rav and who’s not. I don’t think very highly of Satmar (in case some people here haven’t noticed), does that give me the right to start insulting the warring Rebbes or R’ Yoel?
I’m not a huge fan of the current Jewish music. I like the old school stuff a lot more.
I’m going to give DaasYochid one more chance, because he should definitely know the song. It’s from a singer I’ve quoted from before.
bump!
So kkls45, what song is it from?
Sam2: I think that EVERY Rav has an obligation to say something if he feels it is halachically necessary, no matter how big or small he may be. A Rav also has a responsibility to know when he needs to ask another Rav for a second opinion.
As I said before, I think the letter was ambiguously worded, and I think everyone is reading it in a way it wasn’t intended. I wonder if a chareidi Rabbi wrote such a letter, would they be jumping to attack him, or would they try and find a limud zchus, such as reading the letter the way I did?
First of all, the letter was never meant to be public. It was leaked by someone. Second, I understood the letter a bit differently.
I thought this part:
“Is this Torah and these are its scholars? Woe is to he who learned Torah, woe is to his father who taught him Torah, woe is to his rebbe who taught him Torah. See how crooked are his actions and how ugly are his ways.”
referred to the people who assaulted Rav Stav at the wedding. Yes, woe to the teacher, because when a Rebbe hears that his talmud, who he tried to guide in the proper derech, did such a thing, he should be mourning these actions! Yes, they trembled to hear the words of Chacham Ovadia shlita. But the 2nd half was about the people who went completely against halachah and assaulted a great Rav. Chacham Ovadia never would have approved such an action! Woe to the Rebbe who hears of his talmidim doing such a thing!
kkls45: I don’t know that one, where is it from?
I also have one out there which nobody got yet:
“Watch Johnny Carson, and then there’s a movie till 3”
You’re probably better off getting the basic model as opposed to one of the fancy electronic ones – many Rabbonim hold you can use them on Shabbos!
tzaddiq: According to Wikipedia, his mother was Scots-Irish, with some French Norman. It also says this:
According to a third cousin of Presley’s, one of Gladys’s great-grandmothers was Jewish. There is no evidence that Presley or his mother shared this belief in a Jewish heritage. Syndicated columnist Nate Bloom has challenged the cousin’s account, which he calls a “tall tale”.
I don’t know about that one, but Pizza Crave in Teaneck makes a great white sauce for their Garlic Knot Slice. I think I know how to replicate it:
Mayonnaise
sugar
vinegar
water
garlic
There have been plenty of Jewish athletes:
Sandy Koufax
Hank Greenberg
Ike Davis (mother is Jewish, father is not)
Shawn Green
Kevin Youkilis
It depends if I have a plain slice or one with toppings. If it’s plain, then yes, I fold it. If there are toppings, I find that folding it makes the toppings fall off, so I keep it straight.
Look into Darchei Torah in Far Rockaway. Rabbi Bender is second to none!
DaasYochid, I’m surprised you’re not getting “Watch Johnny Carson, and then there’s a movie till 3″… the singer is one you’d definitely know.
Toi: Wrong!
kkls45: Is it from a women’s singing group? It doesn’t sound familiar, and before I start looking into it, I want to be sure it’s a song I’d be listening to.
Still nobody got “Watch Johnny Carson, and then there’s a movie till 3”
Shopping613, first of all, which song exactly is it that you want? As I said, you can email Feif Un. We work together, and he can forward it to me. He posted an anonymous email address of his once on the CR. Search and you shall find!
kkls45: Ride the Waves from the NY Boys Choir
He’s a guy who used to post here. He left because he was sick of the bias against Modern Orthodox Jews. You can read the thread that drove him to leave here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/shocking-study-of-modern-orthodox-otd-rate
He used to post quite a bit in this thread (although it was mostly me feeding him songs). We also work together.
I looked at that thread, and I see the OP in it was Joseph. I know that Joseph has contacted Feif Un outside of the CR before, and told him he was going to drive him so crazy he’d leave. I don’t think Feif Un would want Joseph to have that satisfaction, so I’ll ask him again to return when I see him tomorrow.
writersoul: Yes, you broke with TRADITION with those words. IF I WERE A RICH MAN, I’d buy this site and ban you for that! But MIRACLE OF MIRACLES, I’m not, so you’re safe. I have to go now – it’s almost sunrise. Did I say sunrise? I meant sunset. SUNRISE, SUNSET, almost the same thing. It’s almost time for my SABBATH PRAYER. So have a good Shabbos, and don’ forget to make a L’chaim – TO LIFE!
Feif Un once posted a story about his brother, who wanted to sit and learn, and asked R’ Chaim Segal zt”l (from Chaim Berlin) if he could stop attending secular studies (this was in 11th grade). R’ Segal refused to allow it.
My younger brother also attended Chaim Berlin, although R’ Segal was no longer alive. He also asked about stopping secular studies, and R’ Braunstein refused to allow him to drop out. He told him that he needed a high school diploma.
Have someone take a magic marker (although not a red one, as everyone knows red is not tznius) and color over the parts that are objectionable.
I don’t have that song on mp3, I’ll have to convert it. You can email Feif Un, and he’ll get you in touch with me.
When it comes to this subject, I think girls are full of themselves. You think guys can’t control themselves around you? Guess what – not all of you are that great! When people are dating, one of the things you look for is a physical attraction. Not every girl is attractive to every guy!
Have I ever seen an attractive girl and had an improper thought cross my mind? Yes. Do I act on these thoughts? No! Guess what? Despite all the people telling you boys can’t control themselves, I CONTROL MYSELF!!!
But as far as you saying that guys only think about one thing – you’re wrong! As I said, I don’t think every single girl is attractive. Don’t flatter yourself by thinking that I’d have the thoughts if I saw you. Most of the time, I probably wouldn’t. It’s pure ego on a girl’s part to think every guy wants her.
I had the Amudai Shaish album when I was a kid. It’s a bit of a laugh. Some of the songs are kind of silly, with funny words and weird voices singing (I think Shema B’ni had someone with a Tuki voice singing).
So this is still out there:
“Watch Johnny Carson, and then there’s a movie till 3”
It’s from the Amudai Shaish Boys Choir. In the late 80s (I think maybe 88?) they put out a double album which didn’t have any title to it – it just said Amudai Shaish Boys Choir on the front. The song is titled Our Gedolim.
How about this one:
“Watch Johnny Carson, and then there’s a movie till 3”
The one I posted 2 days ago is still out there. I posted 2 lines from it:
“And for the few who are still here, we must cherish every dear”
“But now they’re gone, and left are just a few, to guide us as a Jew”
I also said it’s from a coir, and came out in the late 80s.
writersoul: I thought I recognized that (my Yiddish isn’t very good!), so I double checked – and I was right!
Un vos iz besser fun dem cholent un dem fish?
Alleh Yidden! Zayt tzufriden! from Or Chodosh