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R’ Chaim Kanievsky said recently that the police should be contacted immediately, without getting permission from a Rav first. He said doing so will save other people.
DaMosheParticipantDY: But yet again, the ones who say that regarding Zionism, are the ones provoking the most sinah. Like I said, look at Ramapo, Bloomingburg, and other areas.
DaMosheParticipantDY, most of the world approved of Israel when it was founded. It’s only in the past few years that it’s been condemned over and over by such a large amount of nations.
DaMosheParticipantDY: True. But the point still holds true with Israel. When it was founded, most of the world supported it. It did not cause any new hatred. The Arabs already hated us beforehand. The hatred coming now is pure anti-semitism, not anti-Zionism. Not like what’s happening in Ramapo and Bloominburg. In those places, the Satmar people are claiming it’s anti-semitism, when it’s really anti-Satmar and preservation of the lifestyles of the original residents.
DaMosheParticipantYou missed the point. We don’t have to GIVE them a reason. They’ll find a reason no matter what. There’s plenty of anti-Satmar sentiment out there also – look at Ramapo and Bloomingburg. Why are Satmar giving them a reason???
DaMosheParticipantR’ Hershel Shachter shlita quotes HaGaon R’ Soloveitchik zt”l on the Haggadah as follows:
Why do we speak about Arami oved avi? We are supposed to be speaking about Pharaoh and Egypt! What does Lavan have to do with it? R’ Soloveitchik said, it’s to tell us about hatred of Jews. The Egyptians made their excuses as to why they wanted to enslave us, but they were just excuses. We know Esav sonei Yaakov. The reasons are just excuses to justify the hatred, but they are not the cause of the hatred. The cause is the fact that Judaism exists, so they hate us.
According to this, to say that Israel causes global anti-semitism is 100% wrong. It may be the excuse quoted by many, but that’s all it is – an excuse. Global anti-semitism is caused by the fact that we are Jews, and they are not.
DaMosheParticipantThat’s so cute. You finally figured it out.
DaMosheParticipantkj chusid: You’re correct. Do you sympathize with them? Is it because you think they deserve it, or are you just blinded by your hatred of other Jews who happen to have a different shittah than you?
DaMosheParticipantR’ Pinchas Teitz zt”l, from Elizabeth, used a banana for karpas. I believe his son, R’ Elazar Teitz, does the same.
DaMosheParticipantJoseph, I don’t know if that’s true or not. Either way, the event at YU was meant to mean those who have the urges, not those who act on them (although it didn’t exclude them.)
DaMosheParticipantThere is a mitzvah to live in Eretz Yisrael, whether you like the idea of a Jewish government or not. If you do what’s right, have emunah that Hashem will protect you. Hinei lo yanum v’lo yishan, shomer Yisrael.
DaMosheParticipant42, that’s what I heard as well.
I believe Sefer Chassidim says that when one is davening for his father, he should not say “Please heal my father ploni ben plonis”, he should just use the name. Perhaps the reasoning behind it is the same for a kohen?
DaMosheParticipantI was told by a Rebbe of mine (regarding this story) that the Chazon Ish studied certain parts of medicine. However, (as was spoken about in another thread,) he didn’t study it just for the sake of studying medicine. He studied it to better understand certain Gemaras and/or other parts of the Torah. Since that was why he studied medicine, it too was considered learning Torah.
DaMosheParticipantIvdu, I wrote a long post about the event, but it hasn’t been approved. I’m still seeing it highlighted in yellow.
Mods, do you think it can be reworded to be acceptable, or is it not worth trying with this topic?
DaMosheParticipantEretzHaK: Yes, a number of students held a debate about it. I am not arguing with the Rabbonim who said it should not be held. But your claim that it “sought to legitimize homosexuality” should be explained.
The debate did not try to say that homosexual relationships are ok. It sought to bring light to issues that are occurring in the Jewish world. Like it or not, there are frum Jews who are gay. Many of them struggle with it, and are ashamed to admit it. This can lead to sever depression, and in some cases, even suicide. One of the organizers said they were trying to make people realize that if they are gay, it’s ok to ask for help and support. Without it, it’s extremely tough to live a frum life.
The fact is, homosexuality itself is not wrong. Acting on those urges is what’s wrong. A regular person has urges to sin all the time, in all different areas. As long as you don’t act on them, you’re ok. Imagine if you were walking with a friend near a non-kosher restaurant. Your friend said, “Ah, that smells good. I wish I could taste the food! Oh well, it’s not kosher!” Why should that be any different than someone who is gay, who is trying to resist their own urges? If they ask for support and are instead made to feel like horrible people just for having these thoughts, do you think they’re likely to keep fighting in this area? Never mind about keeping the rest of the Torah!
We do need to show more support towards frum homosexuals. We need to encourage them, and help them resist the urges they have, as well as help them come to terms with the idea of not marrying, and likely being alone for much of their lives. That’s a scary thought I don’t wish on anybody.
DaMosheParticipantHaKatan, given your stance on events where both genders are mixing, I’m curious what your take is on R’ Breuer zt”l’s opinion regarding weddings. R’ Breuer held that mixed seating was actually preferable. If one feels the need, however, to have separate seating, they should still try and have a mixed section for singles, as mitzvah goreres mitzvah, and it could lead to shidduchim.
DaMosheParticipantThe club he referred to was a small club started by a student in one of the grad schools (I forget which one). The school administration was opposed to it, but because they are an accredited university, they could not legally ban it, due to anti-discrimination and freedom-of-speech laws.
I would like to point out that unfortunately, many Yeshivas in the chareidi community (as well as communities themselves) have become molester-support clubs. (Mods, that was not a personal attack!)
DaMosheParticipantI’ve attempted to call out what HaKatan is doing as wrong several times, with no response.
He refers to Modern Orthodoxy as TuMa, using his play on words to imply that MO is an impure belief. I reported that, and my post wasn’t approved, and no edit was made to his post. He’s been doing this for a long time now, and for some reason it’s always allowed. Why is it allowed? Why can he attack Modern Orthodoxy with impunity?
Mods, if you want to move this discussion to email, I’m more than happy to do so. You know how to contact me.
DaMosheParticipantMods, why is it that HaKatan is allowed to insult one of the biggest Rabbonim of the previous generation, a former member of the Moetzes, who was responsible for building one of the largest yeshivos in the world today? Yet any facts written about others are edited out?
About the CR mods I do shudder.
The same reason your other posts were deleted. Personal attacks are not allowed.
DaMosheParticipantIvdu: thank you. As I said, I didn’t know anything about it, and I was writing from a theoretical standpoint as well. I never read R’ Lamm’s book, so I can’t really comment on it.
DaMosheParticipantMods, not only do you ignore HaKatan’s posts insulting tens of thousands of Jews, but you also ignore my protests about them, and refuse to post them. You’re as bad as he is.
DaMosheParticipantI never heard anything about R’ Lamm shlita making a brachah when entering a science lab. But if it is true, I would marvel at him.
When I took science classes in high school, one or two teachers would say, “Look at how wonderful Hashem’s world is!” But it wasn’t said often enough. In a math class I took in college, one professor showed us how calculus can be used to explain a Gemara.
If R’ Lamm feels he should make a brachah when entering a science lab, obviously he looks at science and thinks about it in terms of Torah. He uses science to help him understand his learning, and how wonderful the tevah that Hashem created truly is. I envy someone who looks at science that way!
When we learn “secular” subjects, but learn them in order to better understand the Torah, they are not secular! That learning then becomes part of learning Torah.
DaMosheParticipantakuperma: So what do you mean when you say the OU is not MO for kashrus, but chareid? Are you saying that MO have lower standards of kashrus than chareidim do?
I wouldn’t say you’re correct. The OU is not makpid on cholov Yisrael, yoshon, or pas Yisrael. Many (if not most) chareidim are makpid on these.
DaMosheParticipantI don’t know much about JLIC. I checked their website, and looked at the profiles of the educators for a bunch of the colleges. The men seem to be YU musmachim for the most part (there were one or two who got their smichah in Israel). I didn’t see any YCT or Conservative people listed.
Maybe the college students they work with are Conservative/YCT types, but isn’t the whole program about kiruv? Let them be mekarev the YCT and Conservative students!
I believe the kashrus division is officially headed by HaGaon R’ Hershel Schachter shlita and HaGaon R’ Belsky shlita.
DaMosheParticipantLet him/her go. 39 topics started within one day? That’s a bit crazy.
DaMosheParticipantnolongersingle: I hear your point, but here’s the thing: I’ve heard Rabbonim such as R’ Reisman, R’ Belsky, and others, say that a Meshichist can’t be counted in a minyan. I’ve never heard a Rav of that stature say a MO guy can’t be counted in a minyan.
DaMosheParticipantSam2: Thank you for the excellent response. I agree with what you wrote.
When I was in yeshiva as a teenager, YU was bashed all the time, along with Modern Orthodoxy as a whole. I once asked someone what was wrong with YU? I was told, “In YU, they learn Torah, but not properly. They treat it like any other college course. They take classes in math, science, reading, writing, and Torah! They don’t differentiate between them!”
When I got older, and actually did some research, I found this was a blatant lie. The supremacy of Torah is stressed again and again. So yes, many of the complaints (including many that people post here) are from misinformation.
It’s interesting to note that R’ Bender shlita used to be very opposed to YU. Probably about 7-8 years ago, I heard him speaking highly of it to someone. I was next to a Rebbe from the yeshiva, and I commented to him how surprised I was to hear R’ Bender say that. He replied to me, “R’ Bender’s views on YU changed drastically recently. You know why? He was stuck in traffic and needed to catch a minyan. The closest place was at YU. So he walked into the Beis Medrash, and saw what was going on there. Afterward, he said, ‘You know, I never really looked into it myself. I based everything on what people told me about YU. Maybe I should do some actual research on it!’ Well, he did the research, and now he actually has a high opinion of YU!”
DaMosheParticipantThank you, DY. You’re correct, I do disagree with you 🙂 I think that different hashkafos should be respected, as long as they don’t violate halachah. For example, I know many people who are Lubavitch. While I disagree with them, I still respect their hashkafos. However, if they are meshichist (which my Rav, along with many other Rabbonim, holds is a major problem halachically), I do not respect the hashkafah.
DY, if circumstances ever change, and you are able to come, you know how to reach me!
DaMosheParticipantAvram, you are correct. I wasn’t expecting to daven for the amud – in fact, it gets tiresome davening a lot! (Whenever I’d go to visit my parents for Shabbos or Yom Tov, the gabbai would ask me to daven for the amud. My father recently started davening at a new shul, so on Pesach I might not get asked – woohoo!) If nothing had been said, I would have been fine. I don’t mind not davening, but the reasoning was what bothered me. I would actually LIKE to daven for the amud in this shul now, just to show them that someone with a kippah srugah can daven nicely, with kavanah.
It reminds me of a time I davened at a yeshiva on Pesach. They asked me to daven for the amud. After davening, the Rosh Yeshiva came over to me, and asked, “Where did a Modern Orthodox man like you learn to daven such a davening? It sounded just like a yeshiva guy!”
I didn’t know whether to take that as a compliment or an insult!
DaMosheParticipantThank you DY. With all the conversations we have, I’ve never thought badly of you. In fact, I’d love to have you over for a Shabbos sometime! And yes, I mean that seriously.
DaMosheParticipantNo, I wasn’t mistreated otherwise in the shul.
DY, the point of the story in my original post was to bemoan the fact that there isn’t enough achdus and ahavas Yisrael. The story with my cousin only showed some of the issue.
As for hashkafic differences, that’s part of my problem. There are many people I have hashkafic differences with. But I don’t have a problem with them davening for the amud.
DaMosheParticipantCan you think of another reason?
DaMosheParticipantJoseph, yes, I think that someone wearing a colored shirt should be allowed to daven for the amud on Shabbos (assuming it’s a nice, respectful shirt – maybe a nice blue one, for example.)
Avram, he said it to me while walking to shul for Friday night davening. The fact is they said no to any time because of the kippah I wear. I’ve had times where I was asked to daven in a shul and they asked that I put the tallis over my head (which I usually do anyway when davening for the amud.) I have no problem with it. My issue is their assuming that someone with a kippah srugah is at a level that isn’t good enough for them.
DaMosheParticipantJoseph: I don’t think it’s reasonable. A person shouldn’t be judged on clothes. They should be judged on whether they are a good, frum Jew, with yiras shamayim.
For Yom Kippur, if I knew the Baal Tefillah was a frum person, a yarei shamayim, and would inspire others in their tefillos, I wouldn’t care what he was wearing. Remember, however, that the halachah is that a person should dress respectfully when davening, as they are speaking to Hashem. I believe that a true yarei Shamayim usually wouldn’t be wearing such an outfit on Yom Kippur. However, if I knew the person to be a yarei Shamayim, it would pique my curiosity, and I’d likely ask him why he was dressed that way.
If you’re going to tell me that in Lakewood, they think that someone with a kippah srugah is not dressed appropriately, or is not a yarei Shamayim, it just proves my point.
DaMosheParticipantJoseph, I’d be just as upset about a colored shirt.
The Baal Tefillah took off his hat and put the talis over his head. Shabbos morning, married men usually don’t wear hats, as they have a talis on.
There is no excuse to have such a rule.
DaMosheParticipantLet me tell you a story that happened to me.
I have a cousin who lives in Lakewood, who I am somewhat close with. We learn together over the phone daily. A while back, we went to him for a Shabbos. Now, I’ve written here before that I daven for the amud frequently, including on the Yomim Noraim. My cousin has often commented to me that he really enjoys my singing, and hearing me daven for the amud.
As we were walking to shul on Friday afternoon, he said to me, “I would love to hear you daven for the amud. Unfortunately, it won’t happen. I asked the gabbaim this morning and they won’t allow it, because you wear a kippah srugah.”
This was a very large shul in Lakewood. Is this achdus???
DaMosheParticipantGamanit: If I fight with my sibling, it stays between us. I won’t go around holding up signs in the street proclaiming that I’m not like my sibling, and that I think my sibling is wrong.
DaMosheParticipantnolongersingle: Yes, in times of tragedy we band together. But what happens next week?
DaMosheParticipantI’m not sure where this happens. When my wife and I decided for the first time to stay home for a Chag, my mother told me how disappointed they were that we weren’t coming. She said they enjoy it when the children come.
DaMosheParticipantI was told it’s fine to have a hot plate turn on and off on a clock. The only issue would be if you want a hot/warm liquid item Shabbos morning. Liquid can’t be rewarmed, so it would need a continuous source of heat from before Shabbos starts.
I have my hotplate turn off at about 11:00 Friday night, then turn back on at about 8:30 Shabbos morning. I put two pans upside down on the top, and put my food on top of them before leaving to shul. Then, when I get home, the food is nice and warm for our meal.
DaMosheParticipantAgain, akuperma, as others already said, the “zionists” you speak of are long gone. The people running Israel today are not the same as those 70 years ago.
As for the chareidi parties only looking out for Chareidim, that’s a product of the Israeli system. When a party is small, and doesn’t have a chance at being a major party (major meaning a chance at being given the mandate in an upcoming election), there’s no need for them to look at everyone. People will vote for them based on who they mostly align with, along with their major issue. For example, let’s say the chareidi parties are likely to align with Likud, but they also stand for chareidi interests. Chareidim who feel strongly on these issues, and would rather see Likud in power instead of a leftist government would vote for the chareidi parties. This would help Likud get the mandate, and also shows that a large group feels strongly about chareidi needs. Only when a party gets much larger do they need to worry about the larger issues.
DaMosheParticipantPeople asked for the source of the Chazon Ish’s statement of two generations of full-time learning. I don’t know if it’s written anywhere, but my Rosh Yeshiva, R’ Bender shlita, once told me that the Chazon Ish said it.
DaMosheParticipantakuperma: You’re wrong when you say many if not most hareidim follow the views of the Satmar Rebbe. Unless, of course, you’re just referring to Satmar chassidim when you say “many”, as there are many of them.
The leading Rabbonim in Israel do not agree with it. After all, they tell people to run for office, vote, and participate in the running of the state. Most Rabbonim in the US share the same views as the Rabbonim in Israel. The only ones who are adamantly opposed to Israel are Satmar. I’d say Neturei Karta as well, but with the Satmar chassidim going down to protest Netanyahu recently, holding up signs for the world to see one Jew protesting against another, I now lump them together.
DaMosheParticipantThere are many things about Sarah Schenirer which are not taught to Beis Yaakov girls.
Her original lectures were attended by both men and women.
When she got sick, she wrote in her diary, “For the first time in twenty-three years I did not daven be’tzibbur”. It seems she went to shul every day!
After she married, her husband said she was too religious for him, and divorced her.
DaMosheParticipantMy favorite part about it was the flyer advertising the event in Brooklyn on Monday night. They blurred out the faces of all the girls in front of the Beis Yaakov schools.
DaMosheParticipantThey are mostly known for giving a hechsher to many cheeses. R’ Saffra held of a kula of Rabbeinu Tam, which we usually don’t pasken according to. Someone posted online that they had emailed him about it, and his response said, “he did not hold cheese produced with microbial media to be cheese in the traditional understanding, since microbial coagulant did not exist at the time of the Shulchan Aruch. He said it is a different product, so the gezerah was not applicable to it.”
Someone else wrote that the Conservative movement didn’t even really approve of his hechsher.
March 15, 2015 1:24 am at 1:24 am in reply to: Newly discovered: Only known video of the Chofetz Chaim #1064097DaMosheParticipantThe title of the video is “Chofetz Chaim Video Originally Seen Years Ago With More Footage Not Released Yet “
March 13, 2015 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm in reply to: Newly discovered: Only known video of the Chofetz Chaim #1064095DaMosheParticipantSomeone sent me a link to a YouTube video, where the owner of the Living Torah Museum talks about the video. He says that there is more video that hasn’t yet been released, which shows the Chofetz Chaim selling his seforim. He says there is also video of R’ Shimon Shkop, but they are hesitant to release it. Why? Because the video is of a shiur he gave at RIETS, and the people who have the video feel it’s not respectful of R’ Shkop to show him teaching at RIETS.
March 11, 2015 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm in reply to: Rav Moshe Feinstein – a scion of Chasidishe stock #1063871DaMosheParticipantPAA: Interesting teshuva. Feif Un once posted the following story here http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lack-of-ashkenaz-siddurim#post-316187 (I actually met the Rebbe who told it over, and he confirmed to me that it’s true):
Some bochurim (including my Rebbe) were traveling with R’ Aharon to a simcha. On the way, they stopped at a nearby shul to daven mincha. The shul davened nusach sfard. R’ Aharon asked if he could daven for the amud, and they said yes. He walked up, and davened nusach Ashkenaz.
Afterward, one of his students asked him why he did this, if the minhag hamakom was to daven sfard. He replied, “Minhag hamakom is proper at times, but this is the proper nusach!”
March 11, 2015 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm in reply to: Rav Moshe Feinstein – a scion of Chasidishe stock #1063862DaMosheParticipantcherrybim: One is viewed as a human being, and one is viewed as more than a human being. That was one of the Gra’s issues with chassidus – the deification of the Rebbe.
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