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Not sure why R Schach’s position is rejected now, unless I am not aware that he changed it later on.
Yeshivos are still not fully government funded
@Daas and Syag and AAQ this tread is about Rav Tendler, not womens education
Someone mentioned his shittah on women learning gemara.
Did she go to BJJ?
The claim is that modern educated women need Gemora learning to support their emunah at the intellectual level they are.
It’s a silly claim, because there’s plenty of material which Bais Yaakovs offer which is on a high intellectual level without learning gemara. Speak to anyone beho knows something about BJJ.
You may be particularly unappreciative to the concept because it applies less to women in your community
Aside from that comment being arrogant and condescending, it’s blatantly untrue. There is certainly a big range of education level in our community (as there is in the MO community) but that range extends to law degrees and above. Yet, learning gemara is still unnecessary and therefore assur (self motivated learning is not assur, but mandated, structured classes are). Plus, as mentioned above, the Bais Yaakov system has managed to make a high level Torah based curriculum available for those who need it, without having to resort to learning gemara.
Bottom line: the success of the Bais Yaakov curriculum is a complete rebuttal to the claim that nowadays it is necessary to teach gemara to girls, and the only reason the MO do it is because they are too weak to fight the feminist elements among them.
See 38 pages:
YWN COFFEE ROOM NIGHTLY D’VAR TORAH
“Going Off the Derech” is longer
The whole shampoo industry is a scam.
That’s why it’s called “sham”.
If he misbehaved, I would ask him an exceedingly vague question which is unanswerable due to its lack of detail.
a less clear Aug 2021 survey of 5000 nurses:
RNs?
I believe that the higher the level of education among the various categories of healthcare workers, the higher the vaccination rates.
and will probably have no impact on your health since you are vaccinated and that should protect you shouldn’t it?
Stop with your binary thinking. A vaccine isn’t either 100% effective or 0%.
They were way worse the mortality rates were almost 100%.
Please be more specific. Which of those was a worldwide pandemic with an effective vaccine which was not “mandated” in some form?
Harvey Risch
Yeah, that’s the guy whose colleagues all got together to sign a letter debunking him.
From that PBS interview:
“What I would say is that, actually, this study, looking at what happened in Provincetown, is the vaccines working exactly as we expected. And let me lay out why.
And what you had was, you had an influx of a lot of people coming to Provincetown for July 4 celebrations, a lot of unvaccinated people, Delta virus surging. You did have a good number of breakthrough infections. Not surprising when you have a lot of people packed into bars and clubs.
But let’s see what happened to those people. Almost all of them did extraordinarily well. A small number ended up in the hospital. No one died. And it did not fuel this massive outbreak that has led to more and more cases in an exponential growth.”
Etc.
Read them yourself at http://www.OPEN VAERS.com
Self reporting. Any troll can post their “reactions” there.
Smallpox,measles, Sars1, Influenza, (Bubonic Plague) Black Death,Polio, Spanish Flu, Asian Flu, H1N1 Swine Flu…
What about them? Did they create the same health crisis we have now, with as easy a solution?
Doctors as well
There will always be a small minority of doctors who are against any treatment or preventative medication, but I believe it’s very small when it comes to this vaccine for adults without prior infection.
Since when have employees checked your vaccine status as a requirement to work?
I don’t know if that’s happened or not, but it’s legal.
Also there are many medical workers refusing to take the vax
Not many doctors though, and they have a much better science background.
Never has there been a mandate for everything such as employment, going to a restaurant or gym or museum etc., with the potential for supermarkets and all basic needs, and all this without exemptions.
Never before has there been such a need for it.
Even In 1905 Jacobson v Mass he was not forced to vaccinate
Vaccine “mandates” that we are discussing aren’t literally forcing anyone to vaccinate.
As to whether the differences you mentioned are legally applicable, I guess the courts will decide, but the weight of legal opinion seems to be on the side of allowing vaccine mandates such as employment and admission being conditional on being vaccinated.
I used to beleive this pandemic was really deadly
You were right. And 650,000 deaths into it, it still is.
Government hypocrisy abounds, no question, but that doesn’t change our obligation to keep ourselves as safe as reasonably possible.
Aside for the fact that it’s unconstitutional
Nonsense. It’s always been the role of government to keep its citizens safe. Vaccine mandates in particular have been legal for over a century.
If vaccinated still need to wear a mask and can still transmit the virus to others and also get infected themselves, please explain how the vaccine is effective.
People who take the vaccine are less likely to get sick and die.
In my book, that means it’s effective.
Not perfect, effective.
Obviously it’s not about science it’s about slowly taking away people’s liberties
No, it’s about balance between health and utility. It’s not as easy to take away a necessity from someone as a luxury.
No and are you ok with car accidents, driving under influence, scammers, people dying from the flu or any other virus?
I’m in favor of taking common sense precautions against all of the above.
eric55, there are multiple vaccines from multiple companies and governments available. Do you have an explanation for why each of them is not to be trusted?
Because Bill Gates put tracking chips into all of them.
Also they havent proven that vaccinated “cannot” spread the virus
No, but they proved that they are less likely to spread the virus.
But how do the rules make any sense? You can ride the crowded subway in close proximity to others without a vaccine but you can’t sit at a restaurant?
You answered your own question two sentences later.
And Israel obviously is in the same situation since they keep talking about lockdowns again and again.
No, they are not in the same situation. And Bennett is saying no lockdowns.
You keep making ludicrous comments implying that the vaccines aren’t working but ignore the fact that it’s mostly the unvaccinated getting seriously ill and dying.
And the vaccinated wont be safe either they will be restricted until they get whatever updated booster shot required.
If a booster is deemed necessary, that’s fine.
This is why everyone should unite and boycott these restrictions because once it hits your ability to buy food and basic survival needs it will be too late.
How about get vaccinated? Much easier. And safer.
the big issue here is that they are restricting people from living their lives
As the saying goes, “Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man’s nose begins.”
You agree they shoulnt be required to vaccinate but yet they are being forced to vaccinate that’s the whole issue here.
Um, no, you were saying nobody should be forced. While I don’t know that it’s legal to literally force anyone to vaccinate, I think it’s wrong for anyone (other than kids) who didn’t have Covid to not vaccinate, and I think an employer has a right to make it a condition of employment (assuming there’s physical proximity to other employees or to customers).
Certainly, healthcare workers, who have contact with the most vulnerable population, need to get vaccinated.
it’s over 99% survival rate for most of the population.
So you’re okay with one out of a hundred people dying, and many others who survive with permanent damage?
but even with the vaccines we are in the same situation
No we are not. The vaccinated are getting severely ill and dying at a much lower rate.
And with COVID as well 99% who had an infection were not reinfected
I’m not sure where those numbers come from and if they are outdated, but I know a lot of people who got Covid a second time.
None seriously ill b”H, which is why I don’t know if a vaccine is necessary for someone who had Covid (and I certainly don’t think it should be mandated), but those who advise to get vaccinated even for those who once had it have strong basis for that view.
That’s aside from the argument to get vaccinated to lessen the spread.
Trying to prove they’re not working because of how many shots are required is downright silly.
Of course they are working. The people dying from Covid are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated.
We also don’t know what the effects of Covid will be on survivors in 10-15 years from now, so the “we don’t know” argument is not at all convincing.
Israel is preparing for a potential 4th dose if deemed necessary, they aren’t “up to the 4th”. And if they were, so what?
No, Malone didn’t invent it. He’s bitter that he isn’t getting the credit he thinks he deserves.
They never said it was risky for kids, they were waiting for the studies.
Yes, it’s impossible to know for sure the long term effects. We do know what the long term term effects of Covid are, though. Once dead, always dead.
This may be true, but not fully established yet.
Pretty well established. Well enough that in Israel they have been accepting past infection as equivalent to vaccinated, and further studies have confirmed it.
Four shots in less than a year?
Um, no, only three for the most vulnerable. And that’s for the Phizer vaccine, I don’t think that’s applicable to the others. And yes, if that were deemed necessary and safer than not getting a booster, why should the fact that a series of shots was necessary mean it’s not effective?
The healthcare community denies Malone’s claim that he “invented” mRNA vaccines. He contributed to their development. And he’s still in the minority in his skepticism, and even he says some should take it.
If the vaccine was so effective we wouldn’t be up to 4 boosters by now. They even admitted that it isn’t as effective especially against variants.
I’m not sure why it’s so difficult to understand that something can be effective, but not last forever. Did you eat yesterday? Then why are you hungry today?
On the other hand if the natural antibodies weren’t enough to protect individuals, you would have seen a rise in cases to the likes of the beginning of the pandemic.
Yes, naturally immune, but also many vaccinated people.
For those who had Covid, whether by act of G-d or by negligence, it is not enough to rely on that alone to conclude that you are not in danger or not a danger to others.
The evidence shows that previous Covid infection offers more protection than vaccination. So unless you involve politics, there’s no reason to exclude previously infected people over vaccinated people.
but making it such that the woman herself appears to be shaitel-less, seems to involve several issues: maaris ayin
Rav Moshe holds there’s no maris ayin. The Maharil Diskin holds there is.
and the inability to distinguish one’s self as a married woman
While I agree that it’s a bad idea for this reason (Hamodia had a humorous fictional piece in the Succos Stories supplement about a married lady who was set up on a shidduch meeting by someone who thought she was single because of her lace shaitel), do you have a source which would make it actually assur?
and I’m sure there’s more.
Please share, because I haven’t yet heard a compelling reason to think it’s actually assur l’chol hadeios.
You should address your criticism of these Gedolei Poskim to them, rather than to the public.
It’s not a criticism of them, it’s a rebuttal to you.
Careful with “anyone”.
Vilna Gaon with his lifestyle would not get it. Rashbi would not have even noticed.🙄
After it was analyzed by other scientists it was retracted because the conclusion was obviously inaccurate and blatantly false.
They redid the numbers and it was still in the expected range.
The authors reply: Sun appropriately raises questions about the proportion of women reporting spontaneous abortion in our recent article. We agree that the denominator used in that proportion — 827 completed pregnancies — is not an appropriate denominator for the calculation of a risk estimate or rate.
The number of spontaneous abortions (104) reflects data reported by the participants as of March 30, 2021, during telephone follow-up. In this preliminary report, follow-up information was missing for the majority of pregnancies in which exposure to vaccination occurred in early pregnancy. Among the 1224 women who had been vaccinated before conception or in the first trimester, follow-up through 20 weeks of gestation had been completed for only 204 pregnancies that were known to be ongoing and for 1 pregnancy that resulted in stillbirth. Among the pregnancies that had not yet reached 20 weeks of gestation, there were 10 pregnancies with other outcomes before 20 weeks of gestation, including 8 ectopic pregnancies and 2 induced abortions. For the other 905 pregnancies, follow-up had not occurred to establish whether these pregnancies were ongoing past 20 weeks of gestation. We have amended Table 4 in our earlier publication and have clarified the text.
Subsequently, we completed telephone follow-up for the 905 pregnancies and enrolled additional persons in the v-safe pregnancy registry. To determine the cumulative risk of spontaneous abortion from 6 to less than 20 weeks of gestation, we used life-table methods to perform an updated analysis, now reported in the Journal, involving 2456 women who received at least one dose of an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine before conception or before 20 weeks of gestation.1 The estimated risks (14.1% overall and 12.8% in age-standardized analyses) are consistent with the risks of spontaneous abortion reported in the general population.1
Dana M. Meaney-Delman, M.D.
Sascha R. Ellington, Ph.D.
Tom T. Shimabukuro, M.D.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA
[email protected]This letter was published on September 8, 2021, at NEJM.org.
When girls are taught in BY schools that their worth is dependent on how unattractive they make themselves
They are not being taught that.
They are being taught to value their p’nimius, and to respect themselves.
Then they should have put out a kol korei that all nice shaitels from the last 20 years should be thrown out.
I don’t remember seeing an OP so thoroughly and blatantly debunked.
Any response from the OP?
How can our communities correct this untziusdik catastrophe?
Tell them to wear shaitels which cover their ankles.
So I’d like to hear who they are.
I have mentioned several.
However, lace wigs are so not corpse-like, I highly doubt he would call the long, flowing, lace wigs of today being “like a corpse”.
Again, he didn’t say anything about appearance. He said it has no נפש חיונית. Not that it doesn’t look like it has.
The shaitels in previous centuries and decades did not look real, everyone could tell they are shaitels until approximately 10-15 years ago,
The poskim who assered said they looked real.
So you agree that there’s nothing new in the last couple of years? But the poskim who are assering now didn’t asser 10-15 years ago!!