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real-brisker,
I’ve told you a million times: don’t exaggerate!
There is another issue, besides “eating like goyim”(is Subsational also a problem?). Some people may assume that all Subways are kosher. It may sound far-fetched, but I’ve heard it’s happened. I’m told that R’ Blumenkrantz Zt”l was about to give a hechsher on a KFC but changed his mind for this reason.
As a Shadchan that has made a few Shidduchim, I am not looking to get paid if I am not successful, what I am looking for is a “thank you” if it does not work, not complaints such as “How dare you set me up with such a Shidduch”, or “What were you thinking” + Menshlichkeit such as returning phone calls in a prompt manner.
True, (and I made the same point earlier) but the money wouldn’t hurt either. 😉
Please tell me (and provide sources) which gedolim said that if the wife needs help and asks the kollel husband to take the garbage out that he should refuse because of Kavod HaTorah.
If I may add:
And even if there is such an opinion, explain why, other than selfish reasons, you would want to follow it rather than the opinion of other gedolim that one should not act that way.
there are plenty of boys in yeshiva/kollel who do not have a passion for learning they do it because that is the culture that they were brought up in.
Pretty good culture to be brought up in. As I mentioned to apushatayid, “mitoch shelo lishma, ba lishma”. Again, I’m only referring to those actually learning well, which, in my experience, doesn’t happen often unless there’s a “geshmak” in it.
twiggy,
Not only was your post a continuation of the thread, it was also a beautiful comment about how even our “recreation” time is spent involved in the words of Torah!
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If the learning is not “l’kanter” (as was the case with haskalah), then it will automatically refine the person. I happened to have mentioned “Torah Lishma”, but as long as it’s not for evil purposes, “mitoch shelo lishma, ba lishma”.
eclipse,
There are online bulletin boards, i.e. Yahoo! shul email lists, that you should check out.
The Goq,
but if they are learning and living off the sacrifices of others and don’t really love learning but they are doing it because everyone else does it than that is a problem
If they don’t really love learning, than the probability is great that they are not really learning. I am not referring to “sitting in kollel” or “being in yeshiva” lishma. I am talking about “learning” lishma, which does not require a goal or outcome of kiruv, rabbanus, chinuch, etc.
Sorry, DZ, but I agree with you. Actually, what you say is correct in theory, but practically, since by law the homeowner is obligated, it is his responsibility. (Maybe I’m disagreeing with you?)
is there a reason n/o seems to be posting here? 🙂
Yeah, not enough fighting. 🙂
twiggy,
It’s a Yiddish (and Hebrew) version of the word chain game.
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if they were compensated and appreciated…
There you go! If more appreciation (and consideration) were shown, I believe the shadchanim would be more motivated.
i think if you are spending year after year in study it should lead somewhere constructive.
The learning itself is constructive (huge understatement) even if it does not lead to kiruv, rabbanus, teaching, etc. It’s called Torah Lishma.
real-brisker,
Read the title of the thread: “i did not sign up to be a punching bag.”
For some reason, you think he did. He was there when he was hired; I assume he knows his job description better than you. (Unless you’re his boss, in which case I guess you have a right to dispute his claim.)
You seriously misunderstood my point. I am NOT rude or obnoxious to the person.
You’re the second one to have complained that I did not take your point as intended, and I apologize to you as well. The discussion was about verbal abuse on the phone, so in context, I assumed that you were referring to that.
Daas – Whats the difference where he works?
You’re correct; it would be unacceptable even if he were a customer service rep.
always here – If someone faulted you, you would not scream at them? Do they not deserve to be scream at?
First of all, it’s still bad middos (to say the least). Secondly, we’re not even referring to the person whose fault it was!
haven’t we discussed this before?
I don’t particularly remember discussing this before, but I’m not trying to take credit for the idea, which is definitely not a new one. I’m glad to see that it’s been implemented in some places.
real-brisker,
The Goq is not a customer service rep. He works in a yeshiva. Nobody has any right to treat him like a shmatta.
I’ll give you a suggestion, but many will jump all over me… pay even for unsuccessful shidduchim.
I said “seems”…
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You’re welcome.
I can keep a secret. It’s the people I tell it to who can’t.
Oh, the World
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You probably do have Hebrew, but don’t know how to access it. Here’s yours in Hebrew:
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Unless you mean my blogging?
chas v’sholom
Antelope.
Oh deer!
Why?It’s still true.
Should I link to threads which appear otherwise?
bpt,
Good job.
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Dialup came before cable,
when DSL was still just a fable.
No Fios perfection,
a super-slow connection;
to upload with speed, unable.
“bemuse” = ready to “behead”?
This is the decaffeinated section, not the “decapitated” section!
Despite what I posted earlier, I do like Jonagold.
The good old days…
Shticky, you write with a pen?
You seem to be from way back when.
I use a keyboard,
(except when I be bored)
so I don’t have to write it again.
It seems that Joseph has been behaving himself…
hi i guess i’m sorta new, i just came for my welcome party;)who’s bringing the snacks?
I’ll bring the snacks if you bring the booze. 😉
Rav Gifter is quoted as having said, “people say they make a living, when in reality they take a living.”
Are not.
nfgo3 writes;
“I disagree: liver is unhealthy. If you don’t like chicken fat ripple (which, if kosher, has no real cream), try lasagna fudge, made with real cream. “
I use vegetable liver. Which is a fascinating discussion on its own; most people don’t know that vegetables have livers.
eclipse, you’re not using your “kup”,
blinky did not just wake up.
The post merely waited,
until moderated,
or else, she has dialup!
Pashuteh Yid,
How dare suggest closing this thread! For once there’s a thread with no bickering, and you have the unmitigated GALL (not p’tcha or apples) to suggest closing it?!?! What happened to achdus, you EDITED?
😉
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-joseph-thread/page/3#post-197238
I would suggest that you also read this (the thread itself was apparently removed).
I do not indulge in “rude, obnoxious behavior”.
I’m glad to hear it; sorry if I misunderstood you.
haifagirl
Member
When I am that agitated and call Customer Service, I immediately tell the rep the following: I apologize in advance, because I am very upset, and I KNOW that my complaint has nothing whatsoever to do with you and is not your fault. But I am really angry about X,Y, and Z, and you are the one answering the phone
Oomis, I think we are twins separated at birth. I do the same thing. 🙂
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always here
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haifagirl, Oomis… triplets… I do the same 🙂
I’m trying to understand this; how does apologizing in advance excuse rude, obnoxious behavior?
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Cookie, you made a mistake;
it’s not dead, we just took a break.
Put away the anger,
in the closet, on a hanger,
and chill out, for goodness’ sake!
🙂
P’tcha is an acquired taste
“Nobody ever had to acquire a taste for potato chips.” – Yankel Maza
BTW, I like p’tcha.
I’m always right. One time I thought I was wrong, but that was a mistake; it turned out that I was right.