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Hummingbird,
Verizon will probably charge an arm and a leg.
Oomis,
I believe that you misunderstood real-brisker’s point, which he later clarified, and eventually reconsidered.
Regarding your statement about chumros, “You are making assumptions that do not exist, and that is how a lot of chumros come to be observed, that have no real basis in halacha.”, which chumros are you referring to? Most chumros that I know of have sound basis in halacha, and not keeping (some of) them might be considered a “kula”. The examples which come to mind are chodosh/yoshon, cholov “stam”, and the local eruv.
At catered events which have pareve coffee creamer or ice cream, there is often a sign telling that all milk products are pareve. In restaurants, the menu often mentions it. In either of these scenarios, there would be no problem.
Look at the ??????? in ??? ????? where he makes an excellent case for requiring it to be in its original packaging, not relying on a sign.
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WILMAAAAAAA!!!!
May I suggest that you be more “aggressive” and give assurances right away?
What are the rules here? Some people are starting with the last word, some from the first, some using the whole word, and some using part of the word.
Also, due to the nature of a moderated message board, some posts are responding to two or three posts earlier. DZ, I think it’s your call, since you began.
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I would also add that it is possible to say that in today’s day and age where there fake meat and fake cheese is so prevalent and publicized in the media, perhaps there is no maaris ayin on these things. I would imagine that you cannot say that for milk from almonds or human milk but for veggie burgers or pepperoni pizza I don’t think it’s so shver.
As I said, this would be the only reasonable explanation for heter.
I don’t deny that it might be right; it’s likely that the hechsherim on Subway rely on this. I personally find the distinction shver, but that’s based on my personal experience, in which parve pepperoni and cheese are uncommon. As I noted earlier, it doesn’t seem as if milk from almonds was extremely rare, since the R”ma uses the term “?????”.
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newhere,
Thanks for your input and for the ???? ??????.
Firstly, I never said it was ????. Te best argument ????? might be that it’s too prevalent to be an issue of ????? ???, which ?????? say regarding margarine, but it’s far from ???? (to me) that this would apply to parve cheese.
I haven’t seen the ???”? yet, so I can’t comment on it.
The ?”? is more ????? than the ??”? and holds it’s even a problem on a ?????. That would apply to chicken, and also to ??? ??? ?????.
Many ??????? learn that the ??”? was only ???? on a ????? when it’s ????? (which would not be the case in a restaurant). See also ??”? who assumes that simple ??? in ??”? is that by meat, the ????? even applies ??? ??? ?????.
It seems that the only way to be ???? (besides what I mentioned earlier) would be to hold like the ??”?, according to how the ?”? understood him, and not like the ?”? himself. I don’t think the ?????? take this approach; see ??? ?????.
Haifagirl,
That case (vegetable burger with cheese) would likely depend on how much it looked like real beef.
…or think all single Moms are deadbeat tenants.
You mean they’re not? 😉
Seriously, if that’s an issue, try coming prepared with documentation proving income, and or assets, and or a guarantor.
Hatzlocha!
Not at all, if it’s kosher it’s ok with me…
I’ve purchased fake vegan kosher pepperoni and added it to my pizza before…I kind of liked it…
If (and I stress the if; I’m not certain) there is an issue of maris ayin, then it would not be kosher.
The ??”? ??”? ?”? clearly says that meat served (he probably means cooked) in almond milk is assur unless almonds are placed in the “milk”.
Unless there are visible bits of soy in the cheese, why would the same issue not apply?
I don’t know what “fake vegan kosher pepperoni” looks like to know if there would be maris ayin on it. One could argue that the issur is only on fake dairy not fake meat, by I personally don’t see an important distinction there.
The prevalent heter for margarine, soymilk, pareve ice cream, etc. seems to be that these items are more common today than almond milk was in the days of the R”ma. I don’t know if this is true or not (??”? writes “?????
“), but I find it unlikely that fake cheese is. The ??? ????? seems to be uncertain of this entire heter anyhow.mikehall12382
Daas Yochid…I agree 100% thought the same thing right away…
Do you also agree that there might be an issue, even in the kosher Subways, with maris ayin (fake cheese with meat)? I know you’re not my Rov (at least I don’t think so – you never know with screen names 🙂 ), but it might make for an interesting discussion.
apushatayid
Daas. I’m not his Rav.
My apologies; I wasn’t trying to blame the messenger.
If I’m not mistaken, one of the largest Subway Franchisees is a yid named Feldman. His Subway Development Corporation headquartered in the DC area owns over 1000 Subways. I have heard that Mr. Feldman is a frum jew who keeps kosher (but I have no way to confirm that, have never tried, and it may be nothing more than a popular urban legend).
If true, there would seem to be two issues with it; doing business in non-kosher food is a problem, and getting benefit from basar b’chalav is an even bigger problem.
not the side-issue of is faux-cheese proper to eat with meat (which we *all* agree is 100% permitted halachically —
I happen to think showerzinger brings up a valid point – The only problem with fake cheese is MAYBE maaras ayin BUT in a KOSHER establishment that’s not an issue,is it?!?!
I’m not at all certain that it’s not in fact a problem. To quote the ??”? ???? ?”? ???? ?”? based on a ??”?
????? ????? ????, ???? ?????, ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????.
:??? ????, ??? ??? ????. ??? ???? ????, ??? ???, ????, ?????peselmalka,
Sounds familiar.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/snow-removal#post-202647
Onegoal,
Why did it take you 27 stitches to get there? 🙂
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DZ – the punctuation comes out on one side unless you put Hebrew on both (or enclose in backticks).
=??=So who can identify what Chicago, Cleveland, and Baltimore have in common that might make a kosher Subway more attractive there than it might be in Brooklyn?
Fewer kosher restaurants than Brooklyn?
Page seven says it is five,
the numbers simply don’t jive.
My imagination?
They changed pagination?
My brain’s working in overdrive.
real-brisker,
Daas – Your post makes you sound like a hyprocryte.
As a couple of posters pointed out, it was a joke, the point of which was actually to defend you somewhat against the charge of overstating the issue as “The most despicable thing I ever heard of. “
eclipse would point out that Kennith should be Kenneth. Ken zayn you could change it?
Thanks. I changed it. All done for now. Hope you like them. Looks like my shift is over
“Eighty-Eight”
“I am lonely and sad, how forlorn is my plight”
Ish Chossid, Jep II
…at the end of the day, I know my marriage better than my rebbe does.
A true gadol understands this and would never advise without considering all of the angles.
real-brisker,
I’ve told you a million times: don’t exaggerate!
There is another issue, besides “eating like goyim”(is Subsational also a problem?). Some people may assume that all Subways are kosher. It may sound far-fetched, but I’ve heard it’s happened. I’m told that R’ Blumenkrantz Zt”l was about to give a hechsher on a KFC but changed his mind for this reason.
As a Shadchan that has made a few Shidduchim, I am not looking to get paid if I am not successful, what I am looking for is a “thank you” if it does not work, not complaints such as “How dare you set me up with such a Shidduch”, or “What were you thinking” + Menshlichkeit such as returning phone calls in a prompt manner.
True, (and I made the same point earlier) but the money wouldn’t hurt either. 😉
Please tell me (and provide sources) which gedolim said that if the wife needs help and asks the kollel husband to take the garbage out that he should refuse because of Kavod HaTorah.
If I may add:
And even if there is such an opinion, explain why, other than selfish reasons, you would want to follow it rather than the opinion of other gedolim that one should not act that way.
there are plenty of boys in yeshiva/kollel who do not have a passion for learning they do it because that is the culture that they were brought up in.
Pretty good culture to be brought up in. As I mentioned to apushatayid, “mitoch shelo lishma, ba lishma”. Again, I’m only referring to those actually learning well, which, in my experience, doesn’t happen often unless there’s a “geshmak” in it.
twiggy,
Not only was your post a continuation of the thread, it was also a beautiful comment about how even our “recreation” time is spent involved in the words of Torah!
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If the learning is not “l’kanter” (as was the case with haskalah), then it will automatically refine the person. I happened to have mentioned “Torah Lishma”, but as long as it’s not for evil purposes, “mitoch shelo lishma, ba lishma”.
eclipse,
There are online bulletin boards, i.e. Yahoo! shul email lists, that you should check out.
The Goq,
but if they are learning and living off the sacrifices of others and don’t really love learning but they are doing it because everyone else does it than that is a problem
If they don’t really love learning, than the probability is great that they are not really learning. I am not referring to “sitting in kollel” or “being in yeshiva” lishma. I am talking about “learning” lishma, which does not require a goal or outcome of kiruv, rabbanus, chinuch, etc.
Sorry, DZ, but I agree with you. Actually, what you say is correct in theory, but practically, since by law the homeowner is obligated, it is his responsibility. (Maybe I’m disagreeing with you?)
is there a reason n/o seems to be posting here? 🙂
Yeah, not enough fighting. 🙂
twiggy,
It’s a Yiddish (and Hebrew) version of the word chain game.
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if they were compensated and appreciated…
There you go! If more appreciation (and consideration) were shown, I believe the shadchanim would be more motivated.
i think if you are spending year after year in study it should lead somewhere constructive.
The learning itself is constructive (huge understatement) even if it does not lead to kiruv, rabbanus, teaching, etc. It’s called Torah Lishma.
real-brisker,
Read the title of the thread: “i did not sign up to be a punching bag.”
For some reason, you think he did. He was there when he was hired; I assume he knows his job description better than you. (Unless you’re his boss, in which case I guess you have a right to dispute his claim.)
You seriously misunderstood my point. I am NOT rude or obnoxious to the person.
You’re the second one to have complained that I did not take your point as intended, and I apologize to you as well. The discussion was about verbal abuse on the phone, so in context, I assumed that you were referring to that.
Daas – Whats the difference where he works?
You’re correct; it would be unacceptable even if he were a customer service rep.
always here – If someone faulted you, you would not scream at them? Do they not deserve to be scream at?
First of all, it’s still bad middos (to say the least). Secondly, we’re not even referring to the person whose fault it was!
haven’t we discussed this before?
I don’t particularly remember discussing this before, but I’m not trying to take credit for the idea, which is definitely not a new one. I’m glad to see that it’s been implemented in some places.
real-brisker,
The Goq is not a customer service rep. He works in a yeshiva. Nobody has any right to treat him like a shmatta.
I’ll give you a suggestion, but many will jump all over me… pay even for unsuccessful shidduchim.
I said “seems”…
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You’re welcome.
I can keep a secret. It’s the people I tell it to who can’t.
Oh, the World